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View Poll Results: What is the Overall Best Value in Digital Rangefinder Cameras?
Epson RD1 family - all models 62 17.66%
Leica M8 / 8u 70 19.94%
Leica 8.2 24 6.84%
Leica M9 74 21.08%
Leica M9-P 12 3.42%
Leica MM 18 5.13%
Leica ME 21 5.98%
Leica M240 49 13.96%
Leica M-P 14 3.99%
Leica M60 7 1.99%
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Old 03-03-2016   #121
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Seriously? Do you compare how a 28 looks with a 50 on the same body? How on earth could you ever choose which to use without comparing them?

I'd contend that of course you do, and you also compare all your platforms, but it's so innate you pass straight to the "being"
Obviously I did not express myself clearly... could be because English is my second language, I suppose.
What I was trying to say was: once I have camera in my hands, I don’t think “I wish I had different sensor, because this one is only giving me a cropped view”. I just walk back and forth to compensate for that. Poor man’s full frame compensation, I guess 
Of course I know that 28 mm will give you different field of view than 50 mm Even newbie as myself (not shot 100K images) knows that ;-)
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And not forgetting that camera is a gear, and rightfully the gear should keep up to our expectation, but a lot of people lowered their expectation for the camera which i do not understand why? Despite so much issue with Leica Digital RF and the heavenly price, people are willing to pay a premium to accept a lower expectation of gear.
It is other peoples' expectations that are lower than those of the owner's. My M8 has been through a lot over the years and it keeps on capturing great photos.
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Old 06-29-2016   #123
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Well, I wouldn't mind moving up to full-frame, but I think the M8 (my vote) or the RD-1 has got the best value proposition.

In the end FF (assuming you have the needed focal length) does not allow you to take better pictures.

It's possible to get used to the quirks of the M8. That is subjective depending on your mind's flexibility, but I can handle it.
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Old 07-22-2016   #124
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What is the Overall Best Value in Digital Rangefinders?
If you are committed to both digital and black and white, it's the M Monochrom typ 246. If you are committed to both digital and color, it's the M-P typ 240.

Why??

Think twice, buy once. To hell with settle for cameras and halfway measures; spend your money once and be done with it.

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Old 09-10-2016   #125
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I owned, and loved, the M8. After succumbing to the allure of the FF M9, I believe the performance of the M9 does more than justifies the additional shekels. You get the advantage of shooting at actual stated focal length of lenses, image quality that is at least as pleasing as the M8, no need for use of IR filters when shooting color, a camera for which replacements for all components are still available, and (strictly from a monetary value standpoint) a camera that will likely hold its current value for a number of years, going forward.

I also own and MM1; and, if I were secure in my belief that B&W is, in all cases, the best way to shoot, I would consider that camera as the leader in value...the high ISO rendering is very liberating. However, since obtaining the M9, I find that its color rendering, with the 35 Summilux V2, has me gaining a stronger fascination with color images. The M9 is now my choice about 75% of the time.
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Old 09-20-2016   #126
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Best value

A film rangefinder, perhaps a Leica M4 or Nikon SP, and a very good scanner.

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Old 02-04-2017   #127
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Keeping my M9, back up is M8. 10% chance will get a M10 50% chance will upgrade D800 or D800E if Nikon has something better.

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Old 02-04-2017   #128
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I am still shooting with a Leica M6. I do not yet shoot with a digital rangefinder because I have not found one that meets my needs nor have I found one that I consider a great value. However, the M10 may be the first digital rangefinder that meets my needs.
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Ok...I wanted to ask Why the X100 and the X-Pro Bodies not included? Is that because they are hybrid viewfinders ? Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2017   #130
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Ok...I wanted to ask Why the X100 and the X-Pro Bodies not included? Is that because they are hybrid viewfinders ? Thanks.
because they aren't rangefinder cameras. We are talking about digital cameras with mechanical rangefinders.
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Old 03-24-2017   #131
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M7 user here, I skipped the M8 because I didn't like it, I was not convinced about the M9, I had doubts when the M240/262 generation hit the market...but after I played a little with the M10 in Wetzlar Leica Shop I was convinced...that is my digital M...
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A film rangefinder, perhaps a Leica M4 or Nikon SP, and a very good scanner.

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I would be inclined to agree with you if a very good scanner could be had at a reasonable cost. I am not aware that such a thing is even available at this point (and by that I mean scanners in current production).

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If you just care about a digital RF, then a used M240 is an incredible deal at about $3000.
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Old 09-17-2017   #134
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My brain says M9. My heart says Epson R-D1.

Unfortunately, I can't use either. My commercial clients require 50 MP files, so I even have to resize my 36 MP Nikon D800E images, and some of my fine art prints are over a metre wide...!
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Old 12-31-2017   #135
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If buying new then IMHO the M262 has the best bang for buck among Leica's current range of digital cameras. As others have observed however the M240 goes for less secondhand.
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I haven't been around RFF for quite some time. Dropped by this morning, saw this poll and thread and thought I'd join in.
For me I'd have to say the R-D1. I own one I bought for around $1,400. that is in exceptional condition except it came with the rangefinder patch way out of alignment. Thanks to Stephen Gandy and Co. it now is in very good condition and makes some very fine images.
I also own an M-E and it too is in fine shape and continues to make great pictures so I'd say the M9/M-E follows with a close second for "bang for your buck" in digital rangefinder-land. I share a bunch of CV and Zeiss lenses with both bodies acknowledging the crop factor and effective field of view. All good. 'Just my thoughts.
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Any digital RF you could afford is good value for its current market price.
As long as you actually need rangefinder and digital. Crop, ISO doesn't matter, the rangefinder is.

But I see people buying M10 without even knowing what RF is or people using SLR lenses on M240 and still happy.
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Well I recently bought a used M240 for under US$3000, use it alongside my M6 and M4-P which I use for black and white only.
I thought I would only use the M240 for mono, with the option of colour, but fell in love with its colour output (raw only, hate the jpegs), at 59 I'm thinking of doing a serious colour project, the first in my life, totally inspired by the M240. Now I'll have to start a digital colour website! (always used digi Nikons for commercial work until I semi-retired, but they bored me to death).
So for me it was terrific value and the first digital Leica that seemed grown up and I wouldn't need to make excuses for it. In particular I love the shutter sound which I loathed in the M8/9's that I tried.

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Well I recently bought a used M240 for under US$3000, use it alongside my M6 and M4-P which I use for black and white only.
I thought I would only use the M240 for mono, with the option of colour, but fell in love with its colour output (raw only, hate the jpegs), at 59 I'm thinking of doing a serious colour project, the first in my life, totally inspired by the M240. Now I'll have to start a digital colour website! (always used digi Nikons for commercial work until I semi-retired, but they bored me to death).
So for me it was terrific value and the first digital Leica that seemed grown up and I wouldn't need to make excuses for it. In particular I love the shutter sound which I loathed in the M8/9's that I tried.

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Yeah, I hated the shutter feel and sound on the M9. There was no crispness to the action, and the sound was weird/'cheap'. The LCD screen on the back was also almost useless.
The M240, used, really is the best deal out there.
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Agree. I owned an M9 but never really bonded. I bought a used MP240 in January and it is worth the money even if it has features I seldom use.
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