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Old 06-11-2018   #1
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Fed2 film position

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I have a Fed2 and the image is down into the sprocket holes on bottom of image.
I thought I had read a fix for this but cannot find it.
If someone can explain how to correct the film position I would appreciate it and if possible show me a photo of the fix as I better understand visually
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Old 06-12-2018   #2
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Washer between camera and film cassette...
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Old 06-12-2018   #3
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I use an o-ring from a motorbike chain which fits nicely on the plastic spool of the film.
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Old 06-12-2018   #4
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Hi,

I keep trotting this one out but here we go; old cassettes were bigger than Kodak's cassettes and we went from loading the old cassettes that fitted properly to using Kodak's and all the others. So they slop about but a washer or two cures it.

Some say a washer each end and some say a bigger one just one end.

Here are a few side by side:-



Here's an old and new one with the film aligning them by running from one spool to the other.



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Old 06-12-2018   #5
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Is tis 'fix' meant for all Fed 2's? I've put a film through my D4/1965 without any washer (that I know of, though I suppose one could've been stuck in the body by a previous owner) without any problems.
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Old 06-12-2018   #6
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Hello
Thanks all who posted.
David,
Is there a particular model I should look for in one of those cartridges? I know that there are several for the Leica.
Thanks again
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Old 06-12-2018   #7
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Just to eliminate the take up spool as the problem, can you post a photo of the take up spool in the camera? There seems to be at least two, maybe three, types of spools that were used in the Fed 2 cameras, and one type of fix may not work for all types of spools.

This gives some details and a few photos.

https://www.flickr.com/groups/585016...7600002437505/
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Old 06-12-2018   #8
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Hello
Thanks all who posted.
David,
Is there a particular model I should look for in one of those cartridges? I know that there are several for the Leica.
Thanks again
Don

The IXMOO would not be one to get, but the older Leica ones should do. Alex sells a couple of canisters, but they look like standard universal ones. https://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-Metal-C...gAAOSwDk5UDr7X


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Old 06-12-2018   #9
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Here are photos of mine and both my Fed2's are the same
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File Type: jpg Fed2 take up.jpg (31.6 KB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg Fed2 take up2.jpg (32.3 KB, 16 views)
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Old 06-13-2018   #10
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Hello
Thanks all who posted.
David,
Is there a particular model I should look for in one of those cartridges? I know that there are several for the Leica.
Thanks again
Don

In practice I use an anonymous* FSU one, mainly because it didn't rattle when I put it in the FED2 and shook it. I'm sorry I can't say more than that but I'll add that a cardboard washer is the usual solution and some use corn plasters! The "o" ring solution looks pretty good too.


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Old 06-13-2018   #11
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In my experience you can't use any of the Leica or Zeiss cassettes, as they don't have the latch on the outer case that engages a pin inside the Fed film chamber. You can see the latch arrangement on the right hand genuine Fed cassette in this shot.

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I don't have a Fed, but I've noticed on my Zorki that the little corner of the felt strip where the film comes out of the cartridge likes to get hung up on some of the light-proofing baffle at the top of the film chamber. Maybe trimming a little of the felt will help.... As I'm sure the O-ring or washer would as well (yes, the issue exists with the Zorki as well).
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Old 06-13-2018   #13
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Doing a rough count of cameras and cassettes I reckon there's about 850 or more combinations to try but how I measure inside is beyond me so I'll stick to the shake test, fttb.

The FED cassettes seem to be for the Kiev and Contax but again I've several versions and so to be exact is difficult.

Some good came out of it all; looking at a FED 4 waiting for repair or the wpb I realised I could use a part to repair the FED 2.


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Here are some correct Fed cassettes for sale:
https://m.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-m...UAAOSw7z1Z73xR
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The double cylinder cassettes for the FED-2 and Zorki cameras are different and not interchangeable. This seller does not realise this.
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Old 06-13-2018   #16
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Hello again
So are those for a Fed or Zorki?

I ordered a couple of the Leitz FILCA cassettes for my Leica's hoping they would work in the Fed but doesn't look like they will according to a post here.

Thanks again for all the comments
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The latch part of those cassettes looks the same as the one on my Fed-branded ones.
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Old 06-13-2018   #18
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The chrome bit that engages the Leica base plate catch on a FILCA causes problems when I try to use it in my Fed-2. The Fed design is closer to a Zeiss Contax cassette, but not fully compatible with that either, as they use different latches. Nuisance!
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Old 06-14-2018   #19
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Hi,

There was a universal reloadable cassette made years ago; called the Shirley Wellard. I had a look for mine but couldn't find it, so beware as my memory may be shaky...

Anyway, look here for Roger's opinion:-

https://www.shutterbug.com/content/c...nth-style-dood

They often turn up on ebay for silly (high and low) prices.

EDIT:- Just did a search on ebay and found this collection:-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SET-OF-17...cAAOSwuhFaQ6SH

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The Shirley Wellard doesn't fit ltm Leicas and I assume Fed I. Dunno about Fed 2.
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"If someone can explain how to correct the film position I would appreciate it and if possible show me a photo of the fix as I better understand visually "

This thread was for the FED 1 but the answers are similar (some as also posted above) with a few more illustrations :-
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...d.php?t=162189
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Old 06-15-2018   #22
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The Shirley Wellard doesn't fit ltm Leicas and I assume Fed I. Dunno about Fed 2.

Thanks, another job I can strike off of the list...

EDIT; Thinking about the base plates of FED and Zorki 1's and the Leica model II I wondered what cassette fitted the USSR made bodies and the answer is that FILCAs don't but pre-war pre-loaded and reloadable Agfa cassettes fit and so do modern ones. Even if the (slightly fatter) FILCAs fitted there's no way the camera will open the cassette as there's just a latch for the base plate and it fouls the FILCA. Don't try putting a FILCA in a FED 1 or Zorki 1 as it will jam tight if you do manage to force it in.

You've no idea how tedious it is sitting with a dozen cassettes of all shapes and sizes and a few old cameras and playing mix and match for a couple of hours.

That makes me wonder what a pre-war USSR 35mm cassette looked like or did they just use Agfa's ones?





EDIT, I deleted this picture from smugmug by mistake and think it went here originally...

Interesting to see how the FED became the FED 2 with its echoes of the Contax; giving people the best of both worlds with the long base RF, simplicity of the Leica and the removable back and Contax style cassettes. And those Contax or Leica developed lenses in front. Quite a heady mixture.

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