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Old 06-18-2015   #41
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The great master of composition Cartier-Bresson had M3 finders built into his M4 and M6 cameras in the third place.


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Not doubting you Erik, just curious to know where this information came from.
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Old 06-18-2015   #42
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They are nice agreed .... but I found the M2 to be much more versatile.
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Old 06-18-2015   #43
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The only M3 I'd accept and love to no end would be a BP M3. No silver chrome for me. I dislike silver chrome. I just can't stand a silver camera. And it's slippery.
100% agreed. Like this one? This is mine.

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Old 06-18-2015   #44
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just curious to know where this information came from.
An ad for the M9 by Jean Gaumy, Magnum photographer.

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Old 06-18-2015   #45
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With every purchase I make I ask the same question.

Conclusion: it's GAS!
I thought I had that beat with this supplement.....
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Old 06-18-2015   #46
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Barnacks are wonderful cameras. I don't see any trouble with them. I can load onde um seconds, because I readed the camera instructions. And the rangefinders are excellent after cleaned!
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Old 06-18-2015   #47
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Not small, though, and nothing you could forget in the pocket of your overcoat until you saw a photo-opportunity...
People must have had huge pockets back then, unless I have a large, almost clownesque coat, if I fit any Leica in the pocket then I can barely walk...

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Another thing that I'd forgotten, or not even really thought about, or never known, until I was talking with my (now 80-year-old) Dad is that the cost of film was out of proportion to what we now regard as the cost of prints. In Dad's day the film was relatively expensive, while prints were relatively cheap.

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Ok, if we mention costs, then that is also a perfect answer to the original question.

If I am not wrong , I read somewhere that film price was one of the reasons behind the decision of Maitani to go half-frame (or full cine format if you like) with the original Pen.

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Old 06-18-2015   #48
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what are you trying to communicate Rob ?

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Yeah, but you showed an M3 all the same.
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Old 06-18-2015   #49
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Well the title grabbed your attention, but seriously, why would anybody want to buy anything other than an M3, or maybe an M2 or a iiig?

Those pre-M3 Leicas feel nice and look pretty on the shelf (I have a selection of them), but surely nobody would want to use them for taking photographs, would they? All that squinting through miniscule viewfinders and rangefinders, and struggling to load a film through a tiny aperture would surely only suit a dedicated masochist?

As for the post-M3 Leicas, they're probably still very nice useable cameras but why would anybody want to pay more than £30 for one, because for that price you could buy a Japanese SLR which by the mid sixties had surpassed the Leica rangefinder in almost every way and were equally well put together.

The M3 deserves its iconic status and subsequent inflated market value because at the time it was produced it was outstanding. But by the end of production it had been overshadowed by its competitors, and the subsequent models, although certainly good cameras, have no place in history.

Ok I think I should have upset enough people by now.
Let's see...you want a MODERN rangefinder with TTL SPOTMETER like a Canon F1 for instance...then your camera is the M5.

Personally I use the M3 when I have to shoot B&W because I don't need metering, but when I shoot colour I take my M5.
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...Another thing that I'd forgotten, or not even really thought about, or never known, until I was talking with my (now 80-year-old) Dad is that the cost of film was out of proportion to what we now regard as the cost of prints. In Dad's day the film was relatively expensive, while prints were relatively cheap....Mike
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Fair enough but are we comparing like with like. Today square prints and film (?120) are dear compared to 35mm, so what has changed?

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I prefer my M2 button rewind but the M3 would be my second choice.
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Old 06-19-2015   #52
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I wrote that my M6 finder compared to my M3 is lousy!
Well yesterday I looked thru some ASPC DSLR cameras..
Small, horrible, dark, no MF possible.
So on that comparison, I apologize!
The original Barnack's are in another dimension of BETTER.
Erik's Black M3 simply stunning.

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Old 06-19-2015   #53
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Because the M3 with a Summicron 50mm is heavy as sin.

I just got back from a trip to FL and NC, with my M3. Nice, easy, but big and heavy. I shot my XE-1 with the Summaron from the kit more.
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Because the M3 with a Summicron 50mm is heavy as sin.
I use mine with a pretty little silver Planar 50, that lightened the carry quite a bit and the lens is just fantastic. Before that I had an insanely heavy silver 50 lux asph...that got old quick.
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Old 06-19-2015   #55
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Well yesterday I looked thru some ASPC DSLR cameras..
Small, horrible, dark, no MF possible.
Yet Pinkhassov manages somehow, go figure.
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Old 06-19-2015   #56
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Because the M3 with a Summicron 50mm is heavy as sin.

I just got back from a trip to FL and NC, with my M3. Nice, easy, but big and heavy. I shot my XE-1 with the Summaron from the kit more.
And yet "mule" is in your nick. How ironic.

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Well yesterday I looked thru some ASPC DSLR cameras..
Small, horrible, dark, no MF possible.
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Modern DSLR lenses have MF/AF switch and old MF lenses are popular on many DSLRs.
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Old 06-19-2015   #58
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I have never gotten along with the M3. I much prefer the 35mm FOV of the M2 over the M3. Both were made to the same standard and operate identically. In fact, the M3 is my least favorite M.
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Old 06-19-2015   #59
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Modern DSLR lenses have MF/AF switch and old MF lenses are popular on many DSLRs.
There is for me, a big difference between having a switch to allow MF and actually being able for me, to use it.
I have thought about EV finders but so far they make me dizzy and i can't confirm exact focus.
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Old 06-19-2015   #60
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There is for me, a big difference between having a switch to allow MF and actually being able for me, to use it.
I have thought about EV finders but so far they make me dizzy and i can't confirm exact focus.
Have a look through a Nikon or Canon full-frame DSLR. The finders are gorgeous. Absolutely stunning. And, with small-bodied full-frame (Canon 5Ds, Nikon D600 etc...) they are light and quiet.

I agree, however, about the focusing issue. APS-C is a dark tunnel reminiscent of school-daze fumbling. Katzeye used to make fabulous ground glass and split-screen focusing screens for all the major DSLRs but they're out of that game now.

Nikon makes several screens for their bodies. Pretty sure you could have one that was optimized for fast manual-focus glass dropped into what ever body you wanted.

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Old 06-19-2015   #61
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A) M4
B) The M3 hs no 35mm frame lines.
C) Reloading the M3 spindle is slow, if you're in a hurry.
D) M2

I'm also not fond of the round corner 50 markings. Other than that it's a great camera.
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Old 06-19-2015   #62
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If the Nikon S2 or SP would not exist, it would be a Leica M3.
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Old 06-20-2015   #63
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With an inheritance I bought an M8 with my Summitar 35mm Color Scopar , when it could have been a top of the range DSLR and lenses .
Logic was sideswiped by the M8 and it disguises it's age when any expensive DSLR of that time would be obsolete ..
But then , I love the Contax/Kievs !!
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And besides, with my M3 I don't need to trim film for a leader!
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Logic was sideswiped by the M8 and it disguises it's age when any expensive DSLR of that time would be obsolete ..
The vintage look might disguise it, but the sensor will become obsolete just as fast as that of a DSLR.
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I love my M3 and I love my Canon.

The Canon is quicker.

The M3 is more fun.
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'Why would anybody want anything other than an M3"

My answer:

Because my Fuji GL690 is half the price, has beautiful and contrasty lenses, whisper quiet shutter and shoots 6x9.

Before the flames get me, please note that this is my answer. Sure the 690 is three times bigger, heavier and only shoots 8 frames per roll. I don't care, I use this camera every day and the tradeoffs are worth it.

To my mind, the question is 'Why would anybody want anything other than a Fuji GL690?' (more or less the same question I posted in this thread).
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I love my M3 and my M2, but I love my M4 a little more. I also love my Nikon S3 with it's 1:1 VF and it's right up there with the M4 in my view. - jim
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Why would anybody want anything other than an M3
That's strange... I wonder constantly why would anyone want anything else other than an M4-P
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Even though I prefer the straight 50 frame lines on an M2, it's the higher magnification on an M3 which allows me to really see the subjects expressions more clearly when taking portraits.
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why would anybody want to buy anything other than an M3...
Because I'm a sucker for good industrial design, and the raised borders around the VF windows are fiddly, and from a pragmatic perspective I like 35mm lenses.

So M2

That said, if I get a second body it'll probably be an M3. It can be friends with my 90mm Tele-Elmarit.
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While in Europe a few weeks back, I used a IIIg for black and white, and my M5 for color. The M5 metering is wonderful and I am in love with that camera!
We have same tastes, even if I use a IIIb for B&W:



And the M5 for colour:

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Well the title grabbed your attention, but seriously, why would anybody want to buy anything other than an M3, or maybe an M2 or a iiig?...
Because my Fuji X10 has an built-in Tri-Elmar, is smaller, lighter and cheaper
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Because a Pentax MX or ME is smaller, lighter, cheaper, provides accurate framing, and can use ultra wides to super telephotos. I forgot to mention the HUGE, BRIGHT, finder. And easier loading. Built in meter, too. And hotshoe.
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Because I Love the Leica III

To be honest, I think I am as content with a simple Leica III equipped with an Elmar 50/3.5 as I am with anything else. I agree that the finders are a little squinty but a nice auxiliary finder goes a long way to solve that problem, if you consider it a problem. After all, we are working with a rangefinder. I'm not sure 100% accurate framing was ever an objective. For me it is a bit like horseshoes and hand grenades. Close is good enough.
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