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The new NIKKOR Z 50mm f/1.8 S
Old 08-31-2018   #1
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The new NIKKOR Z 50mm f/1.8 S

Whoa! Anyone see what Nikon has stuffed into the new 50 1.8? Even at list price that a lot of juicy optical bits for the money.
http://www.nikon-image.com/products/...18_s/spec.html
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Old 10-19-2018   #2
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The new S line primes 20/35/50/85 1.8 are what makes me really like the Z System approach so far. These are lenses that were very popular in F mount, just updated optical performance and specs like slightly closer focussing. Really looking forward to these lenses!
The only problem is that they will compete with my M lenses of the same FL ;-)

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It's a start I guess... I don't know much about this novel big throat mini stuff I'll admit...electromagnetic diaphragm... I'm trying to wrap my head around that
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Old 10-20-2018   #4
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Whoa! Anyone see what Nikon has stuffed into the new 50 1.8? Even at list price that a lot of juicy optical bits for the money.
http://www.nikon-image.com/products/...18_s/spec.html
415g?
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415g?
Interestingly the nikkor Z 35 1.8 weighs only 370g. Is that better?

https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/len...mf18s/spec.htm
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Old 10-20-2018   #6
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Interestingly the nikkor Z 35 1.8 weighs only 370g. Is that better?

https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/len...mf18s/spec.htm
...and a 62mm filter size? Must be Medium Format lenses, I guess?
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I thought the idea of mirrorless was smaller size. Am i wrong?
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I thought the idea of mirrorless was smaller size. Am i wrong?
Maybeperhapsnotsounlikely we were absolutelytotallycompletely wrong

Additionally, if you want your aperture control being part of the lens, you need this huuuuuuge chunk of an adapter:

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I thought the idea of mirrorless was smaller size. Am i wrong?
If you are looking at m43/aps-c, yes.
Why would you assume a 'full frame' sensor would make for a smaller body? You still need the same sized AF lenses to cover that sensor. Advantages are the removal of the mirror, focusing directly off the sensor, etc etc.

Check the monstrous size of the Leica SL with 50 1.4 lens.
Akshully my Sigma Art 50 is huge too, and the Zeiss Otus!! Wow! Now I've forgotten what my point was...

(want small - either m43/aps-c or Leica M)
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If you are looking at m43/aps-c, yes.
Why would you assume a 'full frame' sensor would make for a smaller body? You still need the same sized AF lenses to cover that sensor. Advantages are the removal of the mirror, focusing directly off the sensor, etc etc.

Check the monstrous size of the Leica SL with 50 1.4 lens.
Akshully my Sigma Art 50 is huge too, and the Zeiss Otus!! Wow! Now I've forgotten what my point was...

(want small - either m43/aps-c or Leica M)
"Advantages are the removal of the mirror" --- well, that 27.5 mm (edit: or even 30.5 mm?) piece that the camera body is now thinner than an SLR of the same make, is now -- necessarily -- added on all but very few lenses.

So it's a not so small weight addition on each lens -- still an advantage?

(Erm, IMHO, the true RF concept is still superior, heck, even a humble Leicaflex is still superior )
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I think optical excellence rather than size was the priority for both Nikon and Canon's new mirrorless lens offerings. They'll probably release smaller (slower) versions later, after the well-heeled early adopters buy first.

I read somewhere recently that the "mine is bigger than yours" mindset is still a significant factor in consumer purchases. Also explains why Canon's white L lenses were desirable, apart from their optical characteristics: they stood out more.
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they definitely achieved the goal of lighter camera gears by going mirrorless.

however with the advent of high megapixel full-frame sensors, they are being held back by the current lenses.

IMO Fuji nailed it by not jumping into the saturated FF market.
If you want something small and light then go Fuji X, if you want best IQ and don't mind the size then go GFX
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Anyone been using this lens on a Z body? The price point makes it mighty tempting.
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I thought the idea of mirrorless was smaller size. Am i wrong?
Initially it was but not anymore...
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Initially it was but not anymore...
From my reading, it appears that Nikon is starting with their most optically advanced lenses, and following up with smaller/less expensive lenses. Not all is lost.

https://theonlinephotographer.typepa...rom-nikon.html

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From my reading, it appears that Nikon is starting with their most optically advanced lenses, and following up with smaller/less expensive lenses. Not all is lost.

https://theonlinephotographer.typepa...rom-nikon.html
How do they go smaller and cheaper than f1.8 primes and f4 zooms? Look at how Sony FF bodies have grown since the first tiny ones.
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How do they go smaller and cheaper than f1.8 primes and f4 zooms? Look at how Sony FF bodies have grown since the first tiny ones.
By compromising somewhat on performance, right? Though, I'd prefer if they did it by going manual focus.
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From my reading, it appears that Nikon is starting with their most optically advanced lenses, and following up with smaller/less expensive lenses. Not all is lost.

https://theonlinephotographer.typepa...rom-nikon.html
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By compromising somewhat on performance, right? Though, I'd prefer if they did it by going manual focus.
I don’t think we will see those $100 50mm lenses for this system... but maybe a $250 50mm f2 or something like that.
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Is the cost around $800? Isn't the 50/1.8G the best bargain Nikkor so far?
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they definitely achieved the goal of lighter camera gears by going mirrorless.

however with the advent of high megapixel full-frame sensors, they are being held back by the current lenses.

IMO Fuji nailed it by not jumping into the saturated FF market.
If you want something small and light then go Fuji X, if you want best IQ and don't mind the size then go GFX
All Fuji did is follow there history really.... The FF market is very saturated plus they didn't have any history in that landscape... APC made good sense... X-Trans sensor is it achilles heel I don't care what anyone says... I had the XPro2 nice camera...sensor is flawed with the smearing of detail, watercolor effect..etc Medium Format made perfect sense with there history in that landscape plus that's more a niche market but still has plenty of room to grow...
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Is the cost around $800? Isn't the 50/1.8G the best bargain Nikkor so far?
About $599... but how is it a bargain compared to the $250 50mm 1.8g?
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About $599... but how is it a bargain compared to the $250 50mm 1.8g?

Not in that comparison, maybe, but given what I've seen of its performance online, its price compares favorably to a lot of the latest-gen 50s for other full-frame systems.



Though I get your point, we're certainly not talking Fuji prices.
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I guess... I`m just of the opinion that most of these modern lenses are good enough for photography. I can`t get into pixel peeping.
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About $599... but how is it a bargain compared to the $250 50mm 1.8g?
The 50/1.8 g Nikkor will haunt Nikon for its low cost and amazing performance.
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The 50/1.8 g Nikkor will haunt Nikon for its low cost and amazing performance.
I`m even a fan of the $100 50mm 1.8D!
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Here's a picture made with the 50 mm S:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/159377...in/dateposted/

It looks ok to me.
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The MTF is unreal.
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The MTF is unreal.
I noticed that. Although Nikon MTF charts show only 10 and 30 lp/mm, whereas Leica’s charts show 5, 10, 20 and 40 lp/mm, and the only chart I can find for the Nikkor is for f1.8, whereas Leica shows MTF at f2, 2.8 and 5.6, it looks like the Nikkor performs similarly to the Leica APO Summicron ASPH, except the tangential and sagittal traces are more even...incredible.

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...except the tangential and saggital traces are more even...incredible...
ok, gonna admit it, I need someone to translate this for me
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ok, gonna admit it, I need someone to translate this for me
Means it's an extremely well corrected lens even wide open. Good bokeh (some may disagree). At 415 grams it's also one of the (if not the) cheapest, lightest choice if you need this level of performance. Expect other lenses to either weight more than 2 lbs or cost over $6,000, or both.

If you don't have a 40+ MP sensor to cater to though, the older, cheaper, lighter (not quite so though with the adapter) traditional (Double Gauss derived) 50/1.8G and 50/1.8D would totally serve.
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About $599... but how is it a bargain compared to the $250 50mm 1.8g?
Nikon really should have made the new lens f/1.7, f/1.9 or f/2 something and apply lots of magic suffixes like "APO" and "Nano" so people don't automatically assume that it's another stereotypical, "basic" 50/1.8 lenses.

They also let go of the golden ring, and only modestly mentioned during an interview and in a corner of their website that the "S" suffix of the new lenses means premium for the Z cameras.

It was a marketing embarrassment.
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When I can see my nose hairs' hairs in selfies using my Sigma Art lenses on my Z7, I think I'm good.

I also have the 'old' 50 1.8G, and while it is very nice, it does not compare to the new stuff from Sigma and Nikon S/Z. It is great on my F6, as film cannot resolve what the other lenses can offer.

But... if pics matter more than peeping, then the 50 1.8G is still just fine. As are most lenses.
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I`m even a fan of the $100 50mm 1.8D!
Yeah...I prefer that one myself
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The D is a great lens, with less distortion than the G. Problem is Nikon designed the FTZ adapter so that only G lenses can autofocus with it.
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I have only used the 35S so far and I like it very much. Seems like there are some interesting lenses coming our way. Weight in my eyes is nothing to talk about. Size - well. Maybe the pill to swallow.
I wonder whether the 35 and 50 have similar sizes due to some production simplification. Leica did that with their f2 fix focus line-up for the SL.
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ok, gonna admit it, I need someone to translate this for me
This explains it: https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/en/...anual-focusing

For all the love the Nikkor 50mm f1.8 G and D lenses get, despite good sharpness, they have horrible tonality, especially in skin tones typical of caucasian skin (Zone vi-viii) - shoot the same subject on the same roll of film or on the same sensor with one of them and a Zeiss 50/2 Makro Planar with the same exposure and look at the difference. This seems to come from poor resolution of detail in highlights (and yes, I have both, two of the D actually, and have used them a lot).

The S lenses don’t really interest me because I can’t use them on film, but I really hope they perform as well as the claims that are made for them. And I may end up using them for work nonetheless.

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