Using a 3.5cm Summaron on my IIIg
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Using a 3.5cm Summaron on my IIIg

Hopefully my 1953 3.5cm Summaron will arrive this week, l plan to use it on my IIIg, (as well as my III and IIIc), now until l get a dedicated finder l plan to use the area outside the 5omm brightline markings in my IIIg viewfinder. Hopefully the outside area of IIIg will help me frame the Summaron until l get a dedicated finder
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After you have shot it a while, you should be able to get a good approximation of the field of view even without a supplemental finder. Remember, rangefinders are not for precise framing.
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After you have shot it a while, you should be able to get a good approximation of the field of view even without a supplemental finder. Remember, rangefinders are not for precise framing.
good advice thanks
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that's what I found when I shot with a 35 on an M3. Not sure how much view is outside the 50mm frames on a IIIg, however.
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Or you could make a wireframe finder to get used to the FOV, or use your phone with camera as a finder, or figure out how to vertically hold a finger in front of your nose in such a way that the overlaid images from both eyes put the finger at the edges of the horizontal FOV.
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That is the lens that was on my IIIg when I bought it 40 years ago

I just had missed out on the rare rigid LTM 50mm Summicron that it originally came with, as a sharp eyed and knowledgeable Leica gear collector snagged it, but back then I did not know what was rare and desirable or not, I just wanted the camera to use.

I got rid of the IIIg a short time after but I still have and still use the fine 3.5 cm Summaron lens.
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that's what I found when I shot with a 35 on an M3. Not sure how much view is outside the 50mm frames on a IIIg, however.
not sure either l will let you know how l get on
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Or you could make a wireframe finder to get used to the FOV, or use your phone with camera as a finder, or figure out how to vertically hold a finger in front of your nose in such a way that the overlaid images from both eyes put the finger at the edges of the horizontal FOV.

yes but in truth l am lazy and will probably hunt out a SBLOO finder
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That is the lens that was on my IIIg when I bought it 40 years ago

I just had missed out on the rare rigid LTM 50mm Summicron that it originally came with, as a sharp eyed and knowledgeable Leica gear collector snagged it, but back then I did not know what was rare and desirable or not, I just wanted the camera to use.

do you still have the IIIg, they are great to use
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yes but in truth l am lazy and will probably hunt out a SBLOO finder

I agree that's better, and have to admit that I can compose much better and more easily through a reasonably precise finder.
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I agree that's better, and have to admit that I can compose much better and more easily through a reasonably precise finder.
yes its precise and better but maybe not so good on the pocket, especially when the wife asks how much l paid for such a funny little thing
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do you still have the IIIg, they are great to use
No, It was the only Leica I ever got rid of, it was not bare-bones enough for me for the Barnack experience and never got along with it in practice and later I replaced it with a Leica IIIc, I still have the IIIc.

I don't think I kept the IIIg for more than a year, and it was in minty condition and it worked great, and they were not exactly common to find in Canada.
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I own the same lens and like it and I use the standard viewfinder only.

If I were to not like the added field covered by the lens I could always crop the negative in the darkroom. So fsr I haven’t done this.

Enjoy the lens as it’s a nice compact size and performs very well.
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You can always get an FSU Rostock 35mm VF for a reasonable price.

I have used these on Leicas and Canons and Tower/Niccas as well as on FSU RF cameras and they work fine.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/EXC-35mm-Vie...1veP:rk:1:pf:0
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I own the same lens and like it and I use the standard viewfinder only.

If I were to not like the added field covered by the lens I could always crop the negative in the darkroom. So fsr I havenít done this.

Enjoy the lens as itís a nice compact size and performs very well.
many thanks that is encouraging to hear
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You can always get an FSU Rostock 35mm VF for a reasonable price.

I have used these on Leicas and Canons and Tower/Niccas as well as on FSU RF cameras and they work fine.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/EXC-35mm-Vie...1veP:rk:1:pf:0
thanks for the link
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You are welcome .

The Rostock VFs with the metal foot are the ones to go for if possible but the plastic foot ones are hardy too.

My go-to 35 mm VF for my Nikon S2 is a plastic foot Rostock VF and yet I got many 35mm finders from the famous 1950s Japanese and German makes to choose from , all in my photo gear drawer, including ones from Zeiss and even a Leitz SBLOO.
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You are welcome .

The Rostock VFs with the metal foot are the ones to go for if possible but the plastic foot ones are hardy too.

My go-to 35 mm VF for my Nikon S2 is a plastic foot Rostock VF and yet I got many 35mm finders from the famous 1950s Japanese and German makes to choose from , all in my photo gear drawer, including ones from Zeiss and even a Leitz SBLOO.
how do you find the SBLOO, does it have brightlines
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A good finder is the small and relatively inexpensive one for the Canon 35mm. It would look just the ticket with a 111g I should think. To be honest it is not as good optically as the SBLOO finder but is MUCH more reasonably priced and is somewhat smaller too.



The later black one is also excellent but I suspect (I have not checked) more expensive.



BTW I like the 35mm f3.5 so much I had two of them. I eventually sold the one I had in LTM and kept the optically identical early Leica M one designed for the M3. It is without goggles (a later version had these) and the first Canon finder above is what I used with it on that camera.
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A good finder is the small and relatively inexpensive one for the Canon 35mm. It would look just the ticket with a 111g I should think. To be honest it is not as good optically as the SBLOO finder but is MUCH more reasonably priced and is somewhat smaller too.

The later black one is also excellent but I suspect (I have not checked) more expensive.

BTW I like the 35mm f3.5 so much I had two of them. I eventually sold the one I had in LTM and kept the optically identical early Leica M one designed for the M3. It is without goggles (a later version had these) and the first Canon finder above is what I used with it on that camera.
thanks l really do like the look of those Canon finders
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how do you find the SBLOO, does it have brightlines
It is nice and it has brightlines, but too overpriced.

I went through a phase where I used it on my M3 in conjunction with the 35mm Summicron lens ala Alfred Eisenstaedt but prefer physically smaller 35mm finders on Barnacks like the Canon 35mm VF and the Acall /Komura ones and the Rostock FSU ones of course, for a slightly bigger view.
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I would quite recommend the modern (Cosina) Voigtlšnder 35mm finder. The exact same size and shape as the vintage Canon chrome finder pictured above but with terrific brightlines and overall an even better viewing image than the one of the expensive and huge Leitz SBLOO finder.
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I would quite recommend the modern (Cosina) Voigtlšnder 35mm finder. The exact same size and shape as the vintage Canon chrome finder pictured above but with terrific brightlines and overall an even better viewing image than the one of the expensive and huge Leitz SBLOO finder.
I've got both the SBLOO and the new metal Voigtlander finder. The Voigtlander now lives on my black iii. It's a terrific finder; bright and clear with good eye point (much better than the mini finder). I consider it easily as good as the SBLOO which i use on my M4 for quick shooting.
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Inexpensive 0.68x 35mm viewfinder with framelines from a Canon Sure Shot Owl. Big view, but not a big price, and almost weightless.

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Inexpensive 0.68x 35mm viewfinder with framelines from a Canon Sure Shot Owl. Big view, but not a big price, and almost weightless.

https://www.shapeways.com/designer/metrocase/creations
Hehe, back in the early 1990s I made a 35mm VF from the optical VF from a broken Olympus XA1 camera.

I hand filed the case and foot from a solid block of brass, as back then I still had the patience of Job.
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It's a super sharp lens. I like using it with my Leica M in B/W mode.
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Hehe, back in the early 1990s I made a 35mm VF from the optical VF from a broken Olympus XA1 camera.

I hand filed the case and foot from a solid block of brass, as back then I still had the patience of Job.
unfortunately l lack the skills and the patience
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It's a super sharp lens. I like using it with my Leica M in B/W mode.

i will let you know how l get on with the lens on its arrival
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unfortunately l lack the skills and the patience
That is OK, 40 CDN dollars will get you a better ready-made VF in the end.

The making of a homemade viewfinder presupposes many factors, like a donor VF glass from a suitable broken camera and free time and the proper tools with a modicum of handicraft skills and a naive desire for a low grade challenge.
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The SBLOO is enormous even on a iiig and especially the earlier LTM cameras. That black Canon finder above looks nice and compact and the Voigtlander is probably the way to go. My SBLOO sits on the shelf.
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That is OK, 40 CDN dollars will get you a better ready-made VF in the end.

The making of a homemade viewfinder presupposes many factors, like a donor VF glass from a suitable broken camera and free time and the proper tools with a modicum of handicraft skills and a naive desire for a low grade challenge.
a 35mm finder is now o my wants list
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The SBLOO is enormous even on a iiig and especially the earlier LTM cameras. That black Canon finder above looks nice and compact and the Voigtlander is probably the way to go. My SBLOO sits on the shelf.
l will see how ; get on guess mating my framing, mind you that will have to wait until Monday, as l missed the postman this morning, l am sure they wait until l pop out for a minute
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The Canon Sure Shot Owl option is home-made but does not require you to file down blocks of brass. The cameras can be bought cheaply on Ebay and are easy to disassemble to extract the viewfinder optics. The optics are then dropped into the Shapeways 3-D printed bottom part (which also has the cold shoe mount). A Shapeways cap completes the assembly. It works really well! Search '35mm Viewfinders and old eyes' (this forum) for a more detailed discussion.
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The Canon Sure Shot Owl option is home-made but does not require you to file down blocks of brass. The cameras can be bought cheaply on Ebay and are easy to disassemble to extract the viewfinder optics. The optics are then dropped into the Shapeways 3-D printed bottom part (which also has the cold shoe mount). A Shapeways cap completes the assembly. It works really well! Search '35mm Viewfinders and old eyes' (this forum) for a more detailed discussion.
many thanks this is very helpful
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Mike, youíve picked a good combo for a vintage film setup. Itís what I chose back in 1971 for an around the world trip. Back then I only paid $125 for the 3g with f/3.5 5cm Elmar. Managed to pick up the Summaron 3.5 and Elmar 9 cm to round things out. Thereís a few images from that trip in my gallery here on RFF, must get around to posting a few more. Sure wish Iíd had fast colour film back then, 80asa down a dark back alley with slow glass didnít always work. Would have been smart to stick with tri-x, ah four decades of hindsight.

I never bothered with a hood for the Summaron, my copy didnít seem to need it. Had the clunky Leica finder mentioned above and felt it spoiled the lines of the camera. Am now using the excellent Cosina Voigtlander metal finder.

Have fun with the 3g, thereís something special about using the tools of yesteryear to make images today. Have been giving mine some use lately and have several rolls of tri-x ready to dunk.

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Mike, you should have a go at composing with the 35mm without using a viewfinder at all. I was kinda forced into it, but it totally changed how I "see" photos.
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Mike, youíve picked a good combo for a vintage film setup. Itís what I chose back in 1971 for an around the world trip. Back then I only paid $125 for the 3g with f/3.5 5cm Elmar. Managed to pick up the Summaron 3.5 and Elmar 9 cm to round things out. Thereís a few images from that trip in my gallery here on RFF, must get around to posting a few more. Sure wish Iíd had fast colour film back then, 80asa down a dark back alley with slow glass didnít always work. Would have been smart to stick with tri-x, ah four decades of hindsight.

I never bothered with a hood for the Summaron, my copy didnít seem to need it. Had the clunky Leica finder mentioned above and felt it spoiled the lines of the camera. Am now using the excellent Cosina Voigtlander metal finder.

Have fun with the 3g, thereís something special about using the tools of yesteryear to make images today. Have been giving mine some use lately and have several rolls of tri-x ready to dunk.

Cheers, Glenn
thanks Glenn, l have had the IIIg for a while and l must admit its taken back seat lately as l have been using my IIIc stepper, l like your philosophy of tools of yesterday making images today, might have to grab a cv finder
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It's a super sharp lens. I like using it with my Leica M in B/W mode.
My 35/3.5 looks like new cosmetically, but it may have some haze inside. I need to send it to get a cleaning job by someone.
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nice images, photograpghy must give you a lot of comfort and support not to mention challenges
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It keeps me occupied, if that's what you mean
Photography has become a passion of mine over the past 10 years, and is a creative outlet and a way for me to focus my energy on something other than my condition.
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