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Old 01-26-2019   #41
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Old 01-26-2019   #42
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I get what you're saying, Mike! I love my very early Leica II, this is the 208th camera ever built...

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Old 01-26-2019   #43
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Crikey, some gorgeous wee beasties being shown here!

I popped in for another look as I had a suspicion I'd got the price wrong, and indeed he wanted £449 for it. Shutter cloth was fine, but it had two tiny bits of what looked like metallic swarf in the curtain when cocked which put me off.

I think the best thing to do is to consider it all in more detail, this one is a pass.
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£449 is not cheap. As you say, 'consider it in more detail' but don't allow yourself to get a fixation for a particular model, as you can see from the above we all have our favourites.

If you are going to use it regularly condition is all.
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That covering (and camera) are really cool. Is that Stingray skin? Where did you get that?

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Hugostudio.com offers sting ray, very durable and grippy
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This Ruski clone helped to scratch my itch !

FED II & I 22 Collapsible lens by Carlos Yashinon, on Flickr
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Resist! You'll hate the loading procedure and the squinty optic!
A SBOOI on top is great though.

You also can explore the world of LTM clones too.



The Leotax TV2 on the left has 50mm frame lines, lever wind and lever rewind. The Nicca/Tower on the right is lever wind, a decent finder, shutter speed that can be set before or after cocking and much easier film loading.





The IIIG is awesome too....



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Austintatious "This Ruski clone helped to scratch my itch !"


Yes, and once you've a Barnack you'll start wondering if those stories about the FED and Zorki cameras are true and then you'll end up with a 1936 Leica II and a 1936 FED to compare but don't forget to treat them both the same and that means spending on getting the FED/Zorki maintained like a Leica would be...



Here's one of each for comparison...


Edit:- If you do go after any FED or Zorki, it's important to get a spool with it. There are about 4 different spools available and no way you can tell most of them apart just from a photo on an auction site. Lens caps can also be dear as they are 36mm slip-ons and fit the Leica Elmar. Meaning dear...


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My favorite shooter.

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a thing of true beauty
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Yes, and once you've a Barnack you'll start wondering if those stories about the FED and Zorki cameras are true and then you'll end up with a 1936 Leica II and a 1936 FED to compare but don't forget to treat them both the same and that means spending on getting the FED/Zorki maintained like a Leica would be...
David, they really do look very close in form factor. I know the quality and engineering are quite different. I did have my blue FED II CLA'd after I got it. Not a Leica, but it is very smooth and functions quite well. Also have a black J8 for it.
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What lens is on the camera Erik
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David, they really do look very close in form factor. I know the quality and engineering are quite different. I did have my blue FED II CLA'd after I got it. Not a Leica, but it is very smooth and functions quite well. Also have a black J8 for it.
Hi,

Well, um, yes and no as both are over 80 years old and both are still working. So I reckon the quality is there but perhaps in another 80 years time we'll know for sure...

I think the real problem is that spending a lot on a Leica encourages people to spend a lot on overhauls and so on. The FED/Zorki cameras are a lot cheaper and the internet experts encourage people to repair them at home in the kitchen. And so the poor old USSR cameras slowly get ruined and the Leicas get looked after.

Luckily there's enough ruined Leicas about now for people to realise the DIY approach may be wrong. BTW, I used to do a lot of repairs when I was moonlighting (not cameras) and dreaded sorting out other people's repairs.

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A friend has a Fed3 and I found it to be a pleasant camera with good results (once I'd cleaned all the rangefinder windows for him so he could actually make out the patch), but really no smaller than my M3, which I'd rather use of the two.

I think a clone of the same size as a Barnack would be interesting, but what struck me so much was the lovely size of the III with Elmar - just nicely pocket sized.
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Hey Johann,
That covering (and camera) are really cool. Is that Stingray skin? Where did you get that?

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Hey Dan,

got the Stingray covering from Hugo Studio, and really love it! Makes the little Leica II look so luxurious!

Unfortunately he's not doing PayPal anymore and I don't have a credit card so I'm left in the cold now that I wanted to order silver leather coverings for my conversion Leica III. But, that may not be of interest to you since most US folks have credit cards, not having them is a typical EU thing I suppose
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Johan if you want to order from him, I can assist. Just drop me a PM.

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a thing of true beauty
I agree. Lovely
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got the Stingray covering from Hugo Studio, and really love it! Makes the little Leica II look so luxurious.
Looks like it’s a nice grip too. Lovely camera.
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this thread is not good for me. suddenly the idea of owning a leica standard is making more sense.
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What lens is on the camera Erik
A Cosina/Voigtländer Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5, bought new in 2002 but heavily used since then. Indestructable, just like the camera (from 1936).

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This is my early Leica I (1928) and a shot with it. (Woman with a black eye.)

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This is one of my favorite threads to visit. Right now my Nicca S3 with my 50 elmar has kept me satisfied. Being broke & needing a new set of tires helps.😂
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Snip! ...I think a clone of the same size as a Barnack would be interesting, but what struck me so much was the lovely size of the III with Elmar - just nicely pocket sized.
You see, the bug for a USSR made variation has bitten again but I won't be saying I told you so...

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A Cosina/Voigtländer Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5, bought new in 2002 but heavily used since then. Indestructable, just like the camera (from 1936).

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This thread is tempting especially with the beautiful examples posted.

I have two IIIf's (one w/Summitar & other w/collapsible 'Cron) but am itching to get a Black Enamel/Nickel II or III with an Elmar and perhaps a Black/NICKEL VIDOM or VIOOH just because it looks so cool...


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Black/NICKEL VIDOM or VIOOH
Black and Nickel VIOOH's do not exist afaik. The VIDOM is hard to use because the image is mirrored.

A black SBOOI is worth looking for. They exist. About thirty years ago I found one. I've not seen a single one after that.

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This thread is tempting especially with the beautiful examples posted.

I have two IIIf's (one w/Summitar & other w/collapsible 'Cron) but am itching to get a Black Enamel/Nickel II or III with an Elmar and perhaps a Black/NICKEL VIDOM or VIOOH just because it looks so cool...


Leica IIIf RD w/Summitar by rdc154, on Flickr
thats one fine looking camera
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Black and Nickel VIOOH's do not exist afaik...
Thanks for the correction Erik. It was an assumption on my part. Looks like they are chrome.

I do have two late version Silver SBOOI's with the grip grooves on each IIIf and love them to bits. I have never seen the black version. I believe you posted a photo of it in the past.

Would you recommend a Black III over the II? I get confused with serial numbers and have seen III's with lower serial numbers than the II at times if I recall correctly but maybe the III's were converted II's.
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In those early years many conversions were made. Every camera kept its original number. I certainly recommend a III over the II if you want to use the camera. Usually the II's are very pretty, because they were rarely used. The III was much more a professional camera: the "long" times and the rangefinder with a magnification of 1,5 were very useful. The strap lugs of the III are nice when you want to use a strap to carry the camera. The III is usually smoother too.

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thats one fine looking camera
Thanks! My other IIIf RDST (w/SBOOI, Summicron, Leicavit):


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Apologies if this is a seriously dumb question, with which models can you use modern film capsules, and is there a mod for the older ones that used the Leica capsules?
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Apologies if this is a seriously dumb question, with which models can you use modern film capsules, and is there a mod for the older ones that used the Leica capsules?
They all take modern film cassettes right off the bat, no modification necessary.

1) The very early cameras had a bottom plate that required a Leica/Agfa KASAM cassette. This is a type of metal cassette that resembles the modern ones in outer dimensions, but it was reloadable.

2) The next generation had a bottom plate that could unlock the FILCA. The FILCA was a Leitz cassette that had a spring lock along the side of the cassette, and the bottom plate lock needed a small provision that forces the spring away from the cassette when you mount the bottom plate, so that the bottom plate lock could rotate the cassette to open position.

3) When the M type Leicas came, the updated version of this cassette was the IXMOO, it resembles the previous type but is a few millimeters taller and cannot be used in the screw mount Leicas.

But, both the Barnack and M type Leicas can all take modern cassettes!
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Hi,

Here's an original 1920's Leitz cassette with a modern one beside it; they are lined up so that the films could run from one spool to the other:-



As you can see, there's a bit of padding needed both ends. Some use homemade card washers and one or two have suggested felt self adhesive corn plasters(!) and others have suggested a mod. to the camera with a washer or two to raise the bottom of the cassette. If that's not obvious, here's a similar photo but with a more modern Leica cassette:-



A minor aside; fake Leicas, meaning made from 1950's FED cameras will not take a FILCA and they jam as you try to put them in. That's a good acid test for a fake, btw...

And, just remembered, the pre-war Agfa disposable ones are slightly shorter than the Filca's and the pre-war Perutz are a fraction shorter than the standard modern cassettes. To add to the fun, you'll find the names of some of the cassettes change over the years in books but not in Leica's catalogues...

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Ah yes, if you want to make sure all images are in line with the sprocket holes, you might need the cardboard washer indeed, but that's about as far as adapting goes... Thanks David
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I have found a standard cassette fits but can drop and possibly intrude into the negative. I fixed it using a thin M6 stainless steel washer (the thin washer is about 0.9mm thick I think). I attached it to the baseplate using BluTac. I squashed it down and trimmed off the excess. Provided the film wind does not 'bind' enough clearance remains. The washer has never moved and my negatives are nicely centred between the sprockets.
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Hi,

There was a thread about fitting them a while ago but I can't find it but did find the one about old films. It's here:-

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...ad.php?t=87322

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An interesting fact is that the format of the negative-window of my earliest camera (No 6535) is bigger than that of the later cameras: 37.3mm x 24.5mm. The space between the negatives is only about 0.5mm, so it is very difficult to cut them without cutting into the image. Has anybody an idea how I can cut them without cutting into the image?

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An interesing fact is that the format of the negative-window of my earliest camera (No 6535) is bigger than that of the later cameras: 37.3mm x 24.5mm. The space between the negatives is only about 0.5mm, so it is very difficult to cut them without cutting into the image. Has anybody an idea how I can cut them without cutting into the image?

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No solution at my end Erik, but i noticed the same thing...
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Thank you, that is really helpful!
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