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Old 01-28-2019   #1
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Leica M “CLA” service

Got a M2 that’s in pretty dire need of a service. Sherry, DAG, or Youxin Ye? Best bang for buck, turn over rate, customer service, personal experiences etc? I’ve heard go things about them all but just wanted a broader opinion from some people here. Thanks!
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Old 01-28-2019   #2
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Youxin: Good turnaround time and excellent work.
DAG: May have your camera for many months but exceptional work.
Sherry: PM me.

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You can always use the forums search tool and you will find that a considerable amount of posts made on RFF is that exact question. Its been beaten to death!

Phil sums it up nicely. Nothing else to say really!
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You can always use the forums search tool and you will find that a considerable amount of posts made on RFF is that exact question. Its been beaten to death!

Phil sums it up nicely. Nothing else to say really!
It pays for the OP to keep in mind that threads containing non-positive experiences with some repair technicians have been deleted, so RFF is no longer a source of unbiased information on this question: the available public information here is skewed toward the positive.

I've not (yet) used DAG, but otherwise my response to the OP would be the same as Phil's above: Youxin has done good work for me. Happy to tell my experience with Sherry in PM.
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Things change, and sometimes people who once had great service become shoddy. Thanks for the replies so far. I’ll likely send the camera to Youxin but will probably look for a couple more responses first
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Youxin does excellent work, has a quick turnaround, and the price is reasonable. Don Goldberg also does excellent work, costs a bit more, and takes longer. I have used both and have been more than satisfied with their work. No experience with Sherry.
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I've had a number of good experiences with Youxin and DAG. Turnaround on Youxin's work is pretty fast, and he will also usually rush things for free if you ask him. DAG on the other hand can take quite a long time, but again, his work is exceptional, as noted above.
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I have had two M3's serviced by YY. Great communication, very fast turn around time and no issues after service.

Also, an M2 and M4 serviced by DAG. Zero issues after service.
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I've used Don (DAG) and Youxin in the past. Both good service. I had a relatively minor problem with a lens serviced by YYe, but not enough to worry about. Don is the best ever. Period. I have not used Sherry for a few reasons. It might be worth PM-ing some of those who offered...

Cheap and fast, but not necessarily the best: YYe
Less cheap and longer, but simply the highest quality service you can get: DAG

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I have interacted with all 3 of the individuals mentioned in this thread and my experience has been consistent with what has been written.
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It’s been well established for a while that the two best options are YY and DAG. Some things YY can’t do. DAG is adept at almost any task and also has original precision Leitz test equipment. DAG is factory trained and is the son of Norman Goldberg, who was technical director with Pop Photo magazine for many years and who designed some rather unique gear for Leicas, holding several patents. There are other options like Gus Lazzari although he works on other brands too and is often backlogged as a result.
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in case anybody wants to call Youxin by the phone, this is how you pronounce his name:

yosin,yeh as in "yo'seen,yeah"

i have heard a few people butcher his name
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in case anybody wants to call Youxin by the phone, this is how you pronounce his name:

yosin,yeh as in "yo'seen,yeah"

i have heard a few people butcher his name
This is rather important!!!!
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in case anybody wants to call Youxin by the phone, this is how you pronounce his name:

yosin,yeh as in "yo'seen,yeah"

i have heard a few people butcher his name
Actually, his first name should be more like yu-shin. An X used like this in Mandarin is a sssshhhh sound, as in Xiamen the city and Xianhua the news aka propaganda outlet and of course President Xi (shi) himself. The intonations are more complex than a simple sssshhhh sound, but acceptable given Western tongues.
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I have used the phonetic: "you-shin" with him directly in conversation and was not corrected.
The tonal sounds and relationships in that language family are truly amazing in their ability to convey completely different meanings between two words which may sound the same to westerners. I have been slowly attempting to learn Vietnamese over the past few years and my western brain just has a hard time with understanding the nuances. I can pronounce very well but I have no idea of my meaning. I'm still trying to wrap my head around diacritics.
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Got a M2 that’s in pretty dire need of a service. Sherry, DAG, or Youxin Ye? Best bang for buck, turn over rate, customer service, personal experiences etc? I’ve heard go things about them all but just wanted a broader opinion from some people here. Thanks!
I've used all three you mention. And recommend two of them.
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that's the reason why many asians use a western name for everyday things like me

im fine with mr Haw otherwise...or just the Nikon repair blog guy
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There are many who can properly service an analog Leica M. They are not complicated cameras. The "Big 3" don't have a magic wand. I've used them all, and others.

If speed an economy are an issue, I echo the recommendation of Youxin, but would also throw out the Vermont Camera Store as an option too.

Unfortunately I find DAG just to be a big old black hole. Even 15 years ago he was way busy.

I've had good results with Sherry repairing multiple Leicaflex SL and M5s (both are her specialty), albeit pretty expensive. Some bad stories out there about her, but I had an "unusual" experience with DAG which would not make me want to use him again, but that doesn't mean he's a bad technician. He's consistently rated as one of the top guys. So don't be scared of Sherry.

But like I wrote, many others too. Recently I had a good experience with the 'head bartender' (Steve Grandy, Cameraquest) repairing an old F.
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I know I’m the OP but speaking with Youxin he is also currently back logged about 3 months just in case anyone was curious about sending anything right now.
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There was a guy in the Southeast, North Carolina I think, that worked on Leicas. There has got to be more than just THREE people in all of America. Let's see a longer list once in a while, and reviews of OTHER repair shops. I'll start:

Monument Camera in Tucson - great place to browse old SLRs. Bad place to get a precision Leica worked on.
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If speed an economy are an issue, I echo the recommendation of Youxin, but would also throw out the Vermont Camera Store as an option too.
Are you referring to “Complete camera” formerly known as Lezot’s camera?
They serviced my rollei and I felt a little disappointed, maybe I have high standards. The camera is super old and neglected so they probably did do their absolute best and the further issues were a matter of age rather than workmanship (:
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There was a guy in the Southeast, North Carolina I think, that worked on Leicas. There has got to be more than just THREE people in all of America. Let's see a longer list once in a while, and reviews of OTHER repair shops. I'll start:

Monument Camera in Tucson - great place to browse old SLRs. Bad place to get a precision Leica worked on.
South east NC is basically my location so a name and contact for that individual would be fantastic!!
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Guz Lazarri is the tech in North Carolina, but he's backlogged according to his website.

I sent an M4 to him once, great work.
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Are you referring to “Complete camera” formerly known as Lezot’s camera?
They serviced my rollei and I felt a little disappointed, maybe I have high standards. The camera is super old and neglected so they probably did do their absolute best and the further issues were a matter of age rather than workmanship (:
No, someone different. Vermont Camera Works. They have a website. They serviced an M3 and several S2 in the past for me. One of the Nikons was a real mess. Affordable. Did a good job too cleaning an old Canon LTM lens full of haze. A mix of standard service and at least one complicated repair. Used the stuff for 1-2 years thereafter w/o problems before passing them on to new homes.
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I haven’t used analog cameras for at least a decade or so. The axiom of Leica repair used to be this:
Leica screw mount repair: Sherry
Leica M mount repair: DAG

Is it still true today?
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In 2011 I sent Sherry K. a Leica IIIc stepper in petrified condition. She turned it into a wonderful smooth camera but it was not cheap and talking to her I got the impression that she does not like working on the screw mount cameras. She has also done several M cameras for me but that has been several years ago. She has done wonderful work for me but I can't speak to her current work. Joe
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There was a guy in the Southeast, North Carolina I think, that worked on Leicas. There has got to be more than just THREE people in all of America....
Of course! That’s why this gloom and doom of old repair people fading away is silly.
In Los Angeles I know of at least three- Dean’s Camera, Steve’s Camera Repair, Samys (Fairfax location).
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Don Goldberg fixes the problems other technicians have missed.
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Surprised no one has mentioned the Camera Wiz himself, Frank Marshman.
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Jim at Vermont Camera Works is very good on older SLR bodies, but I've not had him do an M. His used camera showroom is quite fun to browse through should you be in the area.

He fixed a large number of 35mm manual SLR bodies for me when I ran the photo dept. at Lyndon State, including three of mine, an FE2, an FM2 and my dad's old Mamiya 1000TL. The TL was the camera I used for demos in class, and now a friends daughter is using it for her HS Photo classes. Going very strong about ten years on.
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For those across the pond, Alan and James Starkie, https://www.cameraworks-uk.com. Great work, unmatched paint work, along with unique offerings like new frameline masks, red curtains for original wartime Leicas, and titanium shutter curtains for Ms and screw mounts.
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From the film m sticky: https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...ad.php?t=65581

Maybe we could use a living list / spreadsheet areanged by cost, turnaround time, ratings,location etc.
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For those across the pond, Alan and James Starkie, https://www.cameraworks-uk.com. Great work, unmatched paint work, along with unique offerings like new frameline masks, red curtains for original wartime Leicas, and titanium shutter curtains for Ms and screw mounts.
i have never used Alan but i can vouch for his knowledge. i usually refer people to him on my repair blog when it comes to barnacks and their clones. he is a nice guy too and we occasionally chat in facebook. i also recommend him because hes not just any 'shade-tree-mechanic' but the real deal with tools etc.

his guidance for the future generation (ie: me) is invaluable and i appreciate his efforts. i would continue supporting people like him who are not fussy about passing the torch.
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1. I used Youxin ye to fix my summarit 5cm,1.5 lens.He did pretty well cleaning and also put clicking aperture on the lens, fast too. However my lens did reach horizontal focus. I ask Ye about this problem and his answer is my lens are in Acceptable condition and sometime Leica lens leave factory that way .. Really ? as i know they have tight tollerance on their product .
The other day i send my Summitar lens and he say he cant fix it and return the lens without give me explanation about my lens. Which i think weird.
so i think i never use him anymore, Sorry .

2. I been buying from Don in the past, pretty fast replying email and discuss about his service. So might use his service in the future and deal with long turn around time
3. Never use Sherry
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For those across the pond, Alan and James Starkie, https://www.cameraworks-uk.com. Great work, unmatched paint work, along with unique offerings like new frameline masks, red curtains for original wartime Leicas, and titanium shutter curtains for Ms and screw mounts.
My M2 will eventually make it to him for a repaint. I wish I could have had the whole thing done with him, unfortunately he is back logged on painting and I want to use the M2 before September-ish
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1. I used Youxin ye to fix my summarit 5cm,1.5 lens.He did pretty well cleaning and also put clicking aperture on the lens, fast too. However my lens did reach horizontal focus. I ask Ye about this problem and his answer is my lens are in Acceptable condition and sometime Leica lens leave factory that way .. Really ? as i know they have tight tollerance on their product .
Actually you'd be surprised as to how little those little final quality check cards that Leica packages with their gear mean.
But to correct it you need a tech with a lens collimator. Youxin does not have one. DAG does.
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1. I used Youxin ye to fix my summarit 5cm,1.5 lens.He did pretty well cleaning and also put clicking aperture on the lens, fast too. However my lens did reach horizontal focus. I ask Ye about this problem and his answer is my lens are in Acceptable condition and sometime Leica lens leave factory that way .. Really ? as i know they have tight tollerance on their product .
The other day i send my Summitar lens and he say he cant fix it and return the lens without give me explanation about my lens. Which i think weird.
so i think i never use him anymore, Sorry .

2. I been buying from Don in the past, pretty fast replying email and discuss about his service. So might use his service in the future and deal with long turn around time
3. Never use Sherry
Horizontal focus? Could you elaborate, please?
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I haven’t used analog cameras for at least a decade or so. The axiom of Leica repair used to be this:
Leica screw mount repair: Sherry
Leica M mount repair: DAG

Is it still true today?
I think that is not quite right. Sherry is actually an expert with the Leica M5 and the CL. I wouldn't send my M5 to anyone else. And she did a great job on an M3 for me. Butter smooth!
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Horizontal focus? Could you elaborate, please?
My RF focus using this lens doesnt reach horizontal infinity focus. . I try this lens in my other Leica which also have the same problem.So is not the body. I try to live with it, until i have to do another CLA i send it to Don DAG . Youxin is good if you want to speedy service but for me isn't acceptable because i have to pay taxes if i send the lens back and forth .

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Actually you'd be surprised as to how little those little final quality check cards that Leica packages with their gear mean.
But to correct it you need a tech with a lens collimator. Youxin does not have one. DAG does.
I send it to Don next time ..cheers

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