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Old 02-03-2019   #1
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Ilford Simplicity

I was surprised to see this new line of BW film developing chemicals from Ilford:

https://www.ilfordphoto.com/simplicity-starter-pack

Reminds me of the old Kodak Tri-Chem Pack, but more convenient - all liquids!

This would be convenient for beginners or occasional users...

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Old 02-03-2019   #2
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What a waste of stop bath and fixer, making them single use.

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Somewhat expensive though! I could develop more like 12-15 35mm films using FX39 or similar, far far more with Rodinal, with the rest of the processes being mere pennies in chemicals, and really not much less convenient.
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Cost per roll will still be less than lab processing, once tank and reels etc. have been paid for.

Chemicals bought in bulk are indeed cheaper, but dumping unused spoiled chemicals down the drain is not economical.
The convenience of single-use sachets should appeal to many and for occasional users will be *more* cost-effective.

IMO any new BW chemistry introduced is a good thing, even if it's not something you would choose to use...

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I think it's a great idea. I would have tried developing my own films a lot sooner if such a thing had existed back then. And now there are less C-41 B&W options (are there still any?), and places to get them developed. I remember that when I started I was unsure of what to buy and how much, and chems were hard to find before internet merchants came onto the scene (or I found them) in continental Europe.

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Honestly this seems like a good set to try developing film for the first time.

I have never done it, but this would probably be my starting point. If one gets hooked, they will probably buy more stuff from Ilford, so it makes also sense as a business decision.

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Ilford produced YouTube video on film development using Simplicity product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THAmbtR1Kpg

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Holy cow, $17.23 (at B&H) for two roll of 35mm! No thanks! I'll stick with HC-110 and Ilford Rapid Fix concentrate for fixer.
I mix the HC-110 1:60 as a one shot, and the fixer keeps well. For film I use a water stop and for paper I mix up a 2% acid stop from glacial acetic and reuse both the stop and fixer many times.
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You can get two rolls of film developed and scanned for that in the UK!

I think once you've made the investment in changing bag, reels, tanks etc, this just doesn't make sense. That is before considering scanning, as no amateur I know is in the least interested in having negatives only.
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You can get two rolls of film developed and scanned for that in the UK!
That might be true for C-41 film, but not silver-based BW, and surely P&P is not included - so dropoff/pickup is required.

IMO this is a terrific idea and makes good sense for many users.

FWIW I buy chemicals in bulk and am very cost/waste conscious.
Despite this I ordered one of the starter packs, naysayers aside.
Price at Freestyle was $15.49. I needed some HC110 anyway...

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Quite genuinely you can get silver based B&W films developed and scanned mail order for £8 each (C41 is half that), using Kodak XTOL. While I approve of anything to get people developing this is not economic pricing here. YMMV!
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What I'd like to see from Ilford is single packets of liquid concentrate that mixed makes 1L of working strength paper developer or fixer. Perhaps this could be packaged in plastic foil packets such as used for ketchup and mustard at fast food joints. The volume would be larger than the condiment packaging of course. They could sell these in 5 and 10 packet cartons. The unopened packets should be good for at least 10 years.
I would think for developer the packets would be cheaper than little plastic 100ml bottles.
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Price is rather ridiculous, i see it as a reminder to other manufacturers to include more accessible-to-beginners instructions with their products.
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Holy cow, $17.23 (at B&H) for two roll of 35mm! No thanks! I'll stick with HC-110 and Ilford Rapid Fix concentrate for fixer.
I mix the HC-110 1:60 as a one shot, and the fixer keeps well. For film I use a water stop and for paper I mix up a 2% acid stop from glacial acetic and reuse both the stop and fixer many times.
Agreed. Waste of money
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I don’t think this is aimed at people who are already doing their own developing and are well entrenched. For them, it’s expensive.
For others, it’s intended to be a gateway drug, and they probably are not price shopping.
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This is perfect for my usage. I might shoot a half a dozen rolls a year if that.
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This is perfect for my usage. I might shoot a half a dozen rolls a year if that.
6 rolls, in an entire year?

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Probably more like 4. 120. I'm a digital kinda guy.
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That might be true for C-41 film, but not silver-based BW, and surely P&P is not included - so dropoff/pickup is required.

IMO this is a terrific idea and makes good sense for many users.

FWIW I buy chemicals in bulk and am very cost/waste conscious.
Despite this I ordered one of the starter packs, naysayers aside.
Price at Freestyle was $15.49. I needed some HC110 anyway...

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This is perfect for my usage. I might shoot a half a dozen rolls a year if that.
Ilford isnt going to make any money from you.
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I wonder why they included a stop bath. One more bath to intimidate beginners, and the benefit of prolonging fixer life is lost on the single use kit.
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Somehow I don't think we are their target buyer and I can see a lot of benefits for some; especially those using a few cassettes/rolls of film each year...

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Somehow I don't think we are their target buyer and I can see a lot of benefits for some; especially those using a few cassettes/rolls of film each year...

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The reels, measuring equipment, developing tanks, changing bag, etc are usually items not owned by people who shoot a few films per year. Seems like a really odd idea.
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The reels, measuring equipment, developing tanks, changing bag, etc are usually items not owned by people who shoot a few films per year. Seems like a really odd idea.

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How about old gits who still have the equipment? Or the not-so-old who do colour slides a lot and a few B&W now and then? We are not all dyed-in-the-wool enthusiasts...


As for odd ideas, can you imagine anything replacing film? ROFL.



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The fact that they are making a developing starter kit is good news. They obviously see a market for the product, which means more people are trying developing at home.
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I like it!

Won’t see me buying a starter kit but I like they are offering cartons of the individual parts.

I wish all my chemistry came pre-packaged for single use in a 600ml tank. Easier to store and more practical for a “pop-up” home developer using his/her bathroom or whatnot.

Having moved from a full Darkroom to a storage box under my enlarger. I am totally interested in those little packets! I’ll pay for convenience same as anything else in life!
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IMO any new BW chemistry introduced is a good thing, even if it's not something you would choose to use...

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I agree. And I think the general idea is right. But these Ilford kits are a bit too small and expensive.
Adox and Fotoimpex are offering such starter-kit solutions for quite a long time, and I think their cost-performance ratio is better.
They also have more variety:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/analog-starter-kits/
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A starter kit like this may not replace bulk purchasing for most of us - but it may get some first timers into the fold.

With regards to a liter bottle of HC-110 and a 500ml bottle of Rodinal , both have seemed to last me nearly forever. I only develop about 8 to 10 rolls of 35mm film per year. I split up the HC-110 into some smaller glass containers that can remain topped off until it's their turn to be used.
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Won’t see me buying a starter kit but I like they are offering cartons of the individual parts.
Interestingly the only one of those that Freestyle is currently sold out of is
the developer multi-pack, so others may be thinking along the same lines...

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I like the idea. I should see how many sheets of 4x5 the kit can develop.
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Interestingly the only one of those that Freestyle is currently sold out of is
the developer multi-pack, so others may be thinking along the same lines...

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Yes, some people are thinking about serving an expanding market for developing your own film. The kits are not aimed at RFF members. Of course it remains to be seen if the market is really there.
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Anyone here remember the Polachrome instant slide processing kit from Polaroid? I recall getting a bunch of interesting images (and lots of scratches). I would jump at something like that again.
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