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Old 04-01-2019   #81
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An original black Nikon S2 and an original black SP, what the hell an original S3 Olympic as well
An original black S2 I have. So they exist. I'm pretty sure that original black SP's and S3 Olympics also exist. This must be the wrong thread for you.

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Old 04-01-2019   #82
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I wish for two cameras.

2. Any camera that can mount the Mamiya 7 lenses, but better built than the Mamiya 7 and 7ii. The lenses are phenomenal.
Put the Sony IMX411 sensor in it and watch the stampede!
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A digital rolleiflex

Rollei 35 Sd (digital)

A digital Barnack

(no screen on any of the above, just shoot raw and have ISO be setable)

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Oh yes to all of these... but I’d need something more than scale focus on the Rollei 35 with digital. Out of focus digital isn’t as nice as film.
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I'm going to add another desire.
A crystal synched, digitally controlled Bell & Howell 70DR with silent electric motor. Same chassis, same form factor as the original camera which is amazing but just powered by a modern motor that can precisely control frame rate for sound synch.
No, I don't want an Aaton, Arri, Bolex, or Beaulieu to fill this gap.
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Old 04-01-2019   #86
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Not really a camera per se. But I'd like to see a 620/120 spool created which will work in both types of camera. There are so many nice 620 cameras, it's a shame there's no readily available film. Respooling, or paying for respooling shouldn't be necessary.
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A Leica M4 with the Sony A7Rii sensor. No info on the viewfinder, just as it is. And an aperture priority setting. And the 1/32000 electronic shutter for really silent shooting when needed.
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Old 04-01-2019   #88
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A Leica M-A with a 1:1 viewfinder and 1/4000 shutter speed
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Old 04-01-2019   #89
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Contax G3 digital, full frame sensor, 32 MP, accepting all Carl Zeiss G lenses.
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A brand new Contax G2, exactly the same as the original but with a brighter viewfinder that is also twice as big as the original viewfinder. I would be so happy!
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An original black S2 I have. So they exist. I'm pretty sure that original black SP's and S3 Olympics also exist. This must be the wrong thread for you.

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Old 04-01-2019   #93
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Ricoh GR style camera (pocket-able with retractable lens)
-Offset pop-up or integrated OVF (think Fuji XPro/100) with grid lines and 20% extra coverage and center point focus
-Either with a quick select between 28mm f/2.8 and 40mm f/2 or two separate cameras at those focal lengths
-Manual control dial for shutter speed and an aperture ring (think Fuji X70)
-Low power e-ink display that shows waveform or histogram for the last shot taken and during image review gives just enough detail to tell if focus hit.
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The true digital version of the Ricoh GR1:

1) Aperture settings on top wheel replacing the PASM dial (basically defaults to aperture priority or you can put in A) like the film version
2) Little LCD (that doesn't burn out, unlike the film version) that tells you whatever you need to know on top
3) Full frame sensor
4) On off switch somewhere that won't turn on by accident
5) As few other controls as humanly possible.
6) Either a built in viewfinder and no screen or just the screen as is.
5) Built to last more than a few years.

The newer APS-C GR's are close but further limited and dumbed down with a bigger sensor.

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A lighter weight Leica M with a molded grip and autofocus and controls I can use with screen off like my M9. It's 2019, you can make a tough, durable camera that's lighter if you want to.

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A Mamiya 7II digital body with a full sized sensor that works flawlessly with the line of Mamiya's lenses would keep me contented!
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+1 on an updated R-D1! I dont even care if its still APS-C and CMOS sensor!
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Oh yes to all of these... but Iíd need something more than scale focus on the Rollei 35 with digital. Out of focus digital isnít as nice as film.
With that lens I'd be OK with scale focus but if you wanted more... how about the Rollei 35 with focus indicator lights in the viewfinder like on a Nikon DSLR. Just arrows telling you which way to twist and a green focus confirm light. I realize that isn't feasible (without leaving shutter open during focusing) but this is all fantasy anyway.

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Old 04-01-2019   #98
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A Nikon F301 with f-No., speed, '+0-' info in the finder, and interchangeable backs. 1 for 35mm, 1 colour full frame and 1 mono full frame digital. The 2 digital backs are almost no thicker than the normal back as there's no need for a screen on the backs and a few wide but low-profile buttons to decide what film the back is to emulate. All controls and methods of working are the same as a normal F301.

I think I'd also like a Bronica ETRSi with 1 colour full frame and 1 mono full frame digital backs that use the cameras controls and just have a few wide low-profile buttons to decide what film the back will emulate, and no big power supply or being tethered to a laptop.

The same for a Yashica Mat 124 G that also has interchangeable lenses.

Perhaps even a Rollie SL26 with 1 colour and 1 mono digital backs.
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Old 04-01-2019   #99
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Contax G3 digital, full frame sensor, 32 MP, accepting all Carl Zeiss G lenses.
I havenít played, because I was positive that there were absolutely no permutations of cameras which would do anything more for me than what I already have.
Until I saw this post^^^^.

So, okay, even though nothing described up till now raised my heart rate even 1 bpm, it turns out there is another camera Iíd buy, and you just described it. Digital AFrangefinder using G lenses. Yep, Iíd want that.
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I'm still waiting on the Konost. The website is still up but there's been no activity for a few years now.

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Old 04-01-2019   #101
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My preference is more for a category of cameras rather than a specific one. In the days of film many many very good cameras were made that were tiny and pocketable...and of course by definition full frame. I owned a Contax T2 (which was a comparatively larger but still objectively small camera with a superlative 38mm f2.8 Zeiss lens). The only camera equivalent I can think of today is the Sony RX1. Back then there were many others and most of them were by no means overly expensive.

So what I would like to see are more full frame digital pocket cameras. For years we were told this is not possible in the digital realm. (My question is why........ given that back in the film days there were very many full frame cameras of very small size). Never the less despite the denial that it is possible, more recently we have seen a few very, very expensive models come out like the Sony RX1 which demonstrate that whatever is holding back camera makers for selling such cameras the reasons are technical ones for this lack of such cameras in the market. Perhaps the problem is more that these days most people who would otherwise buy such a camera instead use a smart phone which has an inbuilt camera and for many of these people that's enough. But the Sony R1 is objectively a very expensive camera - in some senses its the 21st century equivalent of the first Leica to be made in the early 20th century............"Small camera big pictures". I think there is still a gap in the market - good quality full frame small and middle range in terms of cost. Sony seemed to be heading there with its NEX 7 (which however still had an APS sensor) but instead went down a different path with its larger A 7 series for its full frame offerings.

What I would like to see are more relatively inexpensive full frame small pocket digital cameras - let's say ones of about the size and price of the Panasonic GF1 when it first came out but preferably with in inbuilt EVF.
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Old 04-01-2019   #102
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Old 04-01-2019   #103
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Old 04-01-2019   #104
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basically a combination of cameras that I have been using:
Konica Minolta A2, Sony NEX5n, Ricoh GXR M, Sony A7:

a digital camera for interchangeable lenses similar light and small as my Sony NEX5n but with a higher body that not only integrates the articulating EVF but more importantly has more real estate on top of the camera, to the right and left of the EVF, to accommodate more buttons / wheels there ( on a camera where I mostly use EVF I find buttons on top of the camera and also to the side as seen on Konica Minolta A2 much more easily accessible than on the back of the camera where they might be better for a camera that has LCD only )

Could look similar than the Konica Minolta A2, specially similar button layout / access to setting (!), make it Sony E mount or similar short register distance mount so that it can both accommodate a helicoid adapter and an AF adapter for use of LTM and Leica M lenses ( and subsequently for pretty any other lens too )

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Make it "FF" with IBIS, focus peaking of my Ricoh GXR M from which it could take a few other more characteristics as e.g. menu layout, color rendition, sensor optimized for rangefinder lenses, incl. wide angels.
Emphasis is on combination of good handling / usability, modern technology and small form factor. If for that it rather looks like a computer than a classic camera I'd not mind even a bit.

Brand doesn't really matter, though I admit I'd prefer it said Ricoh or Minolta ( sigh ) or Pentax over Sony
If this is asking too much, updated versions, faster, higher res. EVF asf. Ricoh GXR M or NEX5n with possibly a "FF" sensor would do too
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With that lens I'd be OK with scale focus but if you wanted more... how about the Rollei 35 with focus indicator lights in the viewfinder like on a Nikon DSLR. Just arrows telling you which way to twist and a green focus confirm light. I realize that isn't feasible (without leaving shutter open during focusing) but this is all fantasy anyway.

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What I would like to see are more relatively inexpensive full frame small pocket digital cameras - let's say ones of about the size and price of the Panasonic GF1 when it first came out but preferably with in inbuilt EVF.
I think many of us are waiting for this, but there must be a reason we donít see them. There arenít too many APSC caŮeras that fit this description either.
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@peterm1, you’re not going to see a FF pocketable camera (comparable to a mu or a rollei 35) for a few reasons.
Firstly a FF sensor is physically bigger that a piece of film. It’s thicker and extends further in each direction.
Secondly, you need to power it. A coin battery won’t cut it, the battery takes up more room than the canister. The electronics take up the effective area of the take up spool.
Next, the electronics generate heat, so we need to get rid of that or we get noise. This takes space.
These three components alone take up more space than a film canister, take up spool, and the sheet of film in the gate.
The lens will be bigger. It could be smaller with specifically designed micro lenses on the sensor to avoid smearing, but it won’t be because apparently the market wants perfection.
So, your camera probably could exist, but won’t perform like it should for the money it’ll cost, and you’ll be lucky to get 36 shots from a charge.

But why does it have to be full frame? Even a m43 sensor has higher resolution and lower noise than 35mm film. I wonder why we don’t have fixed lens m43 compact cameras? That’d be a nice balance. A digital Olympus m43 mu would be possible. And not too expensive.
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I was going to say that I donít really want anything, just some few tweaks to existing cameras like getting rid of the 1/3 stops from the ISO dial on the X100F. Then I drank my own Kool aid and now Iím after a digital m43 mu.
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But why does it have to be full frame? Even a m43 sensor has higher resolution and lower noise than 35mm film. I wonder why we donít have fixed lens m43 compact cameras? Thatíd be a nice balance. A digital Olympus m43 mu would be possible. And not too expensive.
I think we will see one one day from Olympus. They will have to make cameras like this to survive I would think. The only thing that comes close is the Panasonic LX100 II, but itís big because of the zoom etc.
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@peterm1, youíre not going to see a FF pocketable camera (comparable to a mu or a rollei 35) for a few reasons..........
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But why does it have to be full frame? Even a m43 sensor has higher resolution and lower noise than 35mm film. I wonder why we donít have fixed lens m43 compact cameras? Thatíd be a nice balance. A digital Olympus m43 mu would be possible. And not too expensive.
as much as I understand it could however be as tiny as e.g. my Sony NEX5n, then even for interchangeable, small rangefinder lenses. It has the exact same Sony E mount as the A7 series that accommodate "FF" sensors and uses the exact same battery.
If fixed lens and tiny I agree that a smaller sensor should do, sure helps to keep it small
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@peterm1, youíre not going to see a FF pocketable camera (comparable to a mu or a rollei 35) for a few reasons.
Firstly a FF sensor is physically bigger that a piece of film. Itís thicker and extends further in each direction.
Secondly, you need to power it. A coin battery wonít cut it, the battery takes up more room than the canister. The electronics take up the effective area of the take up spool.
Next, the electronics generate heat, so we need to get rid of that or we get noise. This takes space.
These three components alone take up more space than a film canister, take up spool, and the sheet of film in the gate.
The lens will be bigger. It could be smaller with specifically designed micro lenses on the sensor to avoid smearing, but it wonít be because apparently the market wants perfection.
So, your camera probably could exist, but wonít perform like it should for the money itíll cost, and youíll be lucky to get 36 shots from a charge.

But why does it have to be full frame? Even a m43 sensor has higher resolution and lower noise than 35mm film. I wonder why we donít have fixed lens m43 compact cameras? Thatíd be a nice balance. A digital Olympus m43 mu would be possible. And not too expensive.
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The new Q2 uses the same battery that is used in the SL. BTW I own a SL and pretty much get away with just having the one OEM battery that cam with the camera.

Also my SL in the winter is a hand warmer. The body physically gets warm/hot. The aluminum body is a radiator and heat sink.

My GoPro Hero 7 black in video mode overheats indoors when doing extended video. Small size imposes limits and limitations.

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My small camera compromise is the Fujifilm X-E3 with 27mm. But, it’s not pocketable in a way works for me. Its closer to the X100f in size but with less weight. It’s great though for its size and I’m not compromising any quality for using it.
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as much as I understand it could however be as tiny as e.g. my Sony NEX5n, then even for interchangeable, small rangefinder lenses. It has the exact same Sony E mount as the A7 series that accommodate "FF" sensors and uses the exact same battery.
If fixed lens and tiny I agree that a smaller sensor should do, sure helps to keep it small
It could only be that tiny if you kept the crop sensor. The sensor in the NEX less than half the size of the full frame sensor, with less than half the power and heat dissipation and processing requirements. Replace the crop sensor with a full frame sensor and it balloons.
Thereís just no getting around it. Sensors donít get smaller from Mooreís Law, they just get hotter with bigger power and processing required.
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One solution would be to make something like the Sony RX1 with a slower lens. An F2.8 could make the lens a little more practical in size.
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It could only be that tiny if you kept the crop sensor. The sensor in the NEX less than half the size of the full frame sensor, with less than half the power and heat dissipation and processing requirements. Replace the crop sensor with a full frame sensor and it balloons.
There’s just no getting around it. Sensors don’t get smaller from Moore’s Law, they just get hotter with bigger power and processing required.

you well may be right here, I have too little knowledge about this to know. But to tell you the truth, for not ever having noticed much heating up of my NEX, sure with a sensor half the size of "35mm", I still "believe" that it could be ok with a 35mm sensor for "normal" photo taking, that only fast continuous shooting or longer videos could / would be problematic. Ok, of course, this is mere speculation

( and they should make that body in reflective silver! Some 10+ years ago I was filming, still on tape that time, with a gorgeous Panasonic, black body digital video camera which aficionados had nicknamed "black Mamba", a religious ceremony here in Bali during noon of a very hot day on a black sand beach. It heated up immensely, it had become difficult to even hold it, until is stopped working. Some internal electronic parts had fried. I was lucky that it still had been under warranty and only a few months later got it repaired, for free, at their main factory in Japan. )
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A Nikon Z-mount with an optical rangefinder. I've never been happy with EVFs. There would be limitations with longer lenses, though. But I could live with that.
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