Sell the M4 or the M7
Old 06-04-2019   #1
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Sell the M4 or the M7

OK, I'm retired (which means a limited income with no chance of improvement) and I have an M9, M4 and M7. If you google my posts I (and many others) consider the M4 the height of Leica Supremacy. But I really don't need two film bodies so I'm thing I need to sell something. I have my opinions but would like to hear some differing opinions.
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Old 06-04-2019   #2
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What's the serial # of your M7? Only need the first three #s.
Silver or black?

Personally I'd keep the M7 as it is a better M9... (new sensor with every shot!)
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Old 06-05-2019   #3
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What's the serial # of your M7? Only need the first three #s.
Silver or black?

Personally I'd keep the M7 as it is a better M9... (new sensor with every shot!)
I once had to pay $300 to fix electronic control of the M7 curtain
quite hestate to reccomend the M7
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Old 06-05-2019   #4
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The M7 gives you a meter, AE and ISO setting. If you don't need this then keep the M4. The M4 is a much more simple proposition and won't fail due to electronics problems. YMMV
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Old 06-05-2019   #5
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My differing opinion is to sell them both and go for an M6, which has a light meter and full mechanical operation.
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Old 06-05-2019   #6
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My differing opinion is to sell them both and go for an M6, which has a light meter and full mechanical operation.
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I guess this comes down to the question of what kind of photographer you are. If you need a meter then I agree with the above post - sell both and get a nice M6. If you don't need a meter then definitely keep the M4.
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Old 06-05-2019   #7
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If your concern is limited income with no chance of improvement, then consider whether you can afford to have the M9 fixed if the electronics or sensor fails somewhere in the future..
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Old 06-05-2019   #8
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My two cents...I've never bonded with the M7, aperture priority is nice but I prefer the M6.


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Old 06-05-2019   #9
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Beautiful serial number, Peter.


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Old 06-05-2019   #10
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The M7 will no longer be serviced at Leica!
The M6TTL no more circuit boards,
Less and less Service folk available..
I intend keeping M3 and M2 (needs a part /working).
The M6 will either be used as much as possible or sold..
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Old 06-05-2019   #11
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Keep the M4, without a doubt.

The M7 is basically battery dependent, and even then you are relying on the electronics to remain operative and/or economically repairable. Over the longer term, this is highly unlikely.

Your M4 is probably only around 50 years old. I’d say another 20+ years would be no challenge at all

Enjoy your retirement!

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Had to read all the responses here and found them interesting. I have toyed with getting a Leica of some sort but have hesitated due to costs. I think (from these limited responses) I would lean toward my first preference for a Leica in the M4. Never really got the urge for a M3 mainly for the rewind knob but the M4 has always held my interest. A meter would be nice but picking up a Leica MR-4 would resolve that need. Thanks for all the responses.....
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Beautiful serial number, Peter.


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I think myself lucky to get this 1986 serial number Erik. And no TTL circuit board in this one to worry about.

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Old 06-05-2019   #14
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A meter would be nice but picking up a Leica MR-4 would resolve that need.

I never got on with the MR4, plus it's a pain in the backside to mount / remove as it marks the camera top plate. IMHO you would be better off with a nice pocketable Sekonic meter instead or, if you really want something on the camera, then something like a Voigtlander VC Meter II.
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I think myself lucky to get this 1986 serial number Erik. And no TTL circuit board in this one to worry about.

No, but your black chrome starts bubbling. Do you live near the sea?


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Old 06-05-2019   #18
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M7 is only serviced by Leica with unknown availability of electronic parts.
Is not long term use camera. Sell it, M9 and get M10.
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Old 06-05-2019   #19
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M7 is only serviced by Leica with unknown availability of electronic parts.
Is not long term use camera.
Yadayada... as we speak, the value of a mint a la carte m7 is + USD 4000.
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I never got on with the MR4, plus it's a pain in the backside to mount / remove as it marks the camera top plate. IMHO you would be better off with a nice pocketable Sekonic meter instead or, if you really want something on the camera, then something like a Voigtlander VC Meter II.

I almost never take the MR4 meter off. Very accurate meter and very quick to use. I have the VC meter II on my IIIF and can't say I like it all that much. Certainly slower than the M4R in use. If you slip a business card between the camera top while mounting/dismounting the meter you won't scratch the top.


I had an M6, bought new shortly after it was introduced. That's one camera I really didn't bond with. The +/- diodes were too sensitive and I'd spend to much time time trying to get the camera set I'd miss the shot. Plus the VF flared horribly. Less than 6 months after buying it I traded it for a new Hexar outfit.


However thanks everyone for the input. It makes me realize all the M7 has over the M4 is the AE exposure. While I really like AE it isn't a deal breaker.
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I almost never take the MR4 meter off. Very accurate meter and very quick to use. ... I had an M6, bought new shortly after it was introduced. That's one camera I really didn't bond with. ...
The answer is in which camera you reach for first when you go out to shoot.

It seems to me like you'd miss the M4 if you gave it up. Plus the M7 will fetch the most in the used market today. And based on what you'd likely get for it (pennies on the dollar compared to what it sold for new), I'd never let the M9 go. I'm assuming you got the sensor replaced?
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Old 06-05-2019   #22
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I had decided to sell the M7, then I picked it up. So I decided to sell the M4, then I picked it up.

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Old 06-05-2019   #23
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If you're comfy with MR4 and can give up AE, then the M4 is your huckleberry.
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Old 06-05-2019   #24
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of those choices,
I would keep the M4 and the M9
never liked the M7, that is why I sold it

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What's the serial # of your M7? Only need the first three #s.
Silver or black?

Personally I'd keep the M7 as it is a better M9... (new sensor with every shot!)

Too lazy to look but it has the optical film reader and flare free finder if that's why you're asking. Bought new around 2006 or early 2007. Silver.
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Too lazy to look but it has the optical film reader and flare free finder if that's why you're asking. Bought new around 2006 or early 2007. Silver.
300xxxx+ serial #?
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300xxxx+ serial #?

Mine has the SN 2777XXX and also the optical DX reader and MP viewfinder upgrade. A large orange sticker on the box states "factory upgrade to optical DX reader and MP viewfinder"


EDIT: This low serial number marks it as produced in one of the early batches, where Leica had problems to coat durable black chrome. On my camera you can almost literally rub of the black chrome coating with the fingers.
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Own a BMW GSA with 80000 miles. Have not owned a KTM in several years but too lazy to change email. Figure the GSA is good for another 80000 especially if you look at the price of new ones ($25000).

Have a great M5 from Sherry as well as Nikon F and a MF camera and a couple digitals but have a weakness for classic M's (M2 or M4). Heading around the world in October for six months to a year and still playing with camera mix.
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Old 06-06-2019   #29
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Just another data point: keep the (timeless) M4 and sell the M7. This is a good time to sell an M7 because production stopped and there is still a demand.
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I like the M4.

No electronics to get mucked up while making photographs.
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Mine has the SN 2777XXX and also the optical DX reader and MP viewfinder upgrade. A large orange sticker on the box states "factory upgrade to optical DX reader and MP viewfinder"


EDIT: This low serial number marks it as produced in one of the early batches, where Leica had problems to coat durable black chrome. On my camera you can almost literally rub of the black chrome coating with the fingers.
That sounds like it was sent back for the upgrade. Leica did it for free.
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Just another data point: keep the (timeless) M4 and sell the M7. This is a good time to sell an M7 because production stopped and there is still a demand.
Production stopped on the M4 etc a while back and there is still demand...
Prices of other electronic rf cameras like the CLE, Zeiss Ikon and Bessa r3a/4a are going up. A few years ago the Ikon could be had for well under $1000. Now it is about $1600.
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Old 06-06-2019   #33
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I would go with the M4
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Less to worry about...a damn good shooter
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My problem is I like both the M4 and the M7, but for different reasons.

I love the M4 for being basic, no frills and purely mechanical. Also out of all the M's it has the best 35 and 50 framelines that is bigger than say my M6, even though I had Sherry remove the 75mm frames so it resembles a M4 (50mm only frames).

I would want the M4 as my compact M-body. Know that I own a M4, but on my M6 I utilize a TA Rapidwinder, TA Rapidgrip, and I really love that my Wetzlar M6 has a meter built in.

So while the M4 is compact and basic, the M6 (your case M7) is the faster shooter.

Not much help, but I can see keeping both.

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