M3 Kit with 5 Lenses Found
Old 02-14-2015   #1
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M3 Kit with 5 Lenses Found

I have never had an M, but have had scads of other rangefinders. I recently found this M3, with 2 Dual Range Summicrons, 1 collapsible, a 90 Elmar, and a 35 Summaron. Too cheap to pass up. The lenses are all scratch free, but a little fog in some. The camera has a stiff lever wind, with a pronounced "bump" at the end of the throw. I guess I'll have to get it CLA'd, I've tried Yousin, use DAG a lot, but was thinking of trying Sherry in case she's quicker but not too expensive? I assume I can run a roll through it, stiff wind and all?

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Old 02-14-2015   #2
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Old 02-14-2015   #3
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Old 02-14-2015   #4
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Nice find! Definitely worth spending the bucks on a CLA.

I've always had a weakness for those collapsible 90's.
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Old 02-14-2015   #5
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Very nice, and congratulations. I see no reason not to use Youxin Ye-- I think he can clean the lenses, and certainly he will do a nice job on the M3. Is it SS or DS?

Regarding using it prior to sending it off, you should be OK as long as the winding isn't too stiff -- you don't want to force anything.
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Thanks for the answer, it's a single stroke. And the rangefinder seems aligned and bright. I may shoot a roll tonight.
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Old 02-14-2015   #7
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Old 02-14-2015   #8
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Congratulations - wonderful find. I've always found Youxin to give a very fast and excellent service (absolutely nothing against the other 2 - just in case you want a quick turn around)
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Very nice, and congratulations. I see no reason not to use Youxin Ye-- I think he can clean the lenses, and certainly he will do a nice job on the M3. Is it SS or DS?

Regarding using it prior to sending it off, you should be OK as long as the winding isn't too stiff -- you don't want to force anything.
Careful there, the gears in this camera are all brass and if you put too much force on them, you will strip the teeth right off a small brass gear that sits close to the lever wind. I've repaired two cameras with this issue in the past (I'm not much good at anything more complicated than that though) so you might want to wait until it's had its CLA.


Nice kit! The collapsible 90mm, I've had one and loved it. None of the other lenses were slouches either
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The only Leica lenses I've used are a 50mm Elmar and Hecktor, so I'm anxious to see what the praise for the Summicron is all about. I have to decide who to send it to, I like factory trained repair, over self-taught on the complicated body work. I got it cheap enough, I need to make it right. Does anyone know the approximate cost for a CLA from the 3 repair people? I had DAG do a prewar Leica II, including new shutters, and it wasn't that much, maybe $180? if I recall. But I know he can be backed up, and don't want to wait too long to shoot this.



It should be a good user. There are scratches around the lugs, some Vulcanite chips, and rub marks on the base. That's fine for me.
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Old 02-14-2015   #11
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Nice find!

Best to be patient and have it cleaned first. The risk of causing damage is that it could raise the cost of repairs quite a lot.

I'd call DAG, ask his estimate and his current schedule of repairs. Same for Sherry or Youxin Ye.

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The "bump" at the end of the winding action is probably OK. M-Leicas are like that. I'm assuming it's a smooth bump, not rough or grinding, or requiring much extra force. My M2 has a bump; my M7, not so much. It's a slight resistance. It goes past the resistance to the final position. If any more than that, have it looked at. But since you will probably have it CLA'd, the tech will catch any problem, if there is one.

That looks like a very pretty M3, by the way!
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Old 02-14-2015   #13
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Both my SS and DS M3 cameras have a 'bump' at the end of the wind on. Both have been CLA-d.
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Thanks, that's good to know about the feel of the lever. Probably some final function being done at that point.
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Does any of your DR lenses have the close-up finder?
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I'm not too familiar with Leicas, but do you mean the "goggles" on the lens mounted?
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Old 02-14-2015   #17
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Yes, I mean them. You could sell one lens to finance another lens maybe.
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Old 02-14-2015   #18
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Great find... get some film and have a go. Then see what the results are like.

I bet that M3 gets all smoooooth once some film has been through her.
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Old 02-14-2015   #19
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I would sacrifice one lens in exchange for a CLA on everything else. Alternatively, you might consider swapping one of the DR Summicrons with a silver Summicron 90 of the same period. This set up will be wonderful for B/W.
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Old 02-15-2015   #20
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Congratulations and enjoy!
First I would expose some film thru the camera.
See if film advances regularly.
Check rangefinder at infinity shots and closest..1m.
Compare the 2 50mm Summicrons.
Then the Summaron and 90mm.
See if the lenses flare "cloudy" in elements.
The earlier Summicrons are lower contrast.
That is a good thing! One can boost contrast.
I'm sure the camera needs exercise.
I worked as a Master Watchmaker(Ret.)
Don't fix what ain't broke.
Later after tests and results plus your needs, maybe a CLR.
Have then the lenses all calibrated for your body.
I have my M3 since 67.
I think the best M, except if one uses the 35mm more.
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Thanks all, a roll is in the camera now. It's nice to think about when the last owner used it, how he enjoyed it, and now I can carry on.

I'm going to sell 2 of the Summicrons, and keep the best one. Two Dual Range, one Collapsible. I may keep the 90 Elmar, but I did have an old, rigid one from the 30s once that didn't impress. Yet, with M mount (all my lenses are LTM), I better keep at least one other focal length. The 35mm Summaron looks great, and I like a short lens. So I'll probably have to keep that too.

Oh, almost all the lenses came with Leitz hoods too!
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Does any of your DR lenses have the close-up finder?
in the picture the DR lens mounted on the camera has the close-up finder on it .....great find
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Old 02-15-2015   #24
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Nice fine.
In my experience Ms. Krauter will take 2-3mo's. Email her to get basic quote, if memory serves a cla for a camera runs around 200-250. Lens around 75.
Mr. Ye, the last time I sent my M3, took about a couple of weeks.

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Old 02-15-2015   #25
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Re: repairs.

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I'd sell the summaron and a cron so you'll have enough for a faster 35mm and CLA. Your summaron doesn't have goggles so you won't have the 35 frame lines. Unless not having the frame lines doesn't bother you. Nice find by the way!
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So we all want to know. How much was "too cheap to pass up"?
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Old 02-17-2015   #28
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I just developed a roll, and the negatives look good so far with a loupe. I've never figured out my negative scanner, a Plustek 7600. It gives very grainy, crappy scans. So I'll wait to enlarge a few and wetprint. I swear, that 7600 makes every shot look like I used 1600 speed film, and developed for high grain. It was Neopan 400, and looks a lot finer in the loupe.
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Old 02-17-2015   #29
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I don't usually give prices I pay, I was taught it's impolite. It also just sets you up - if you paid too low, you are a scammer. If you paid too high, you're an idiot or "rich."

I paid about the rate for a camera and one lens.
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Some may say then that you "saved $1,500 or so", but it is none of their business!!!!
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Old 02-17-2015   #31
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Congrats.

Nice collection overall. Great to see all that matching "vintage" gear and still so useable today. Should be lovely to use especially for BW.

I have always enjoyed the vintage appeal of those 90 collapsibles as well. Beautifully engineered for sure.
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Camera seems to be working, but needs a CLA. Sending to Sherry today, what a fun person on the phone!

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That's fair, I hope I didn't put you on the spot, I was just curious! I wish I could someday encounter a deal, but the area I live in makes it rather difficult to find bargains anymore, unless someone is totally detached from the internet.
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Some may say then that you "saved $1,500 or so", but it is none of their business!!!!
Hi,

This is an interesting one, but when something is announced to the world on an internet forum, I'd expect comments. That's the main point of a forum, surely...

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David, I was joking. I thought it was clear. As you said, in an online discussion, cost is discussed too. Input is requested.
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Sorry, I should have re-read the entire thread.

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Old 03-05-2015   #37
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I'm really liking the Summaron that came in the kit. At F5.6:

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That's fair, I hope I didn't put you on the spot, I was just curious! I wish I could someday encounter a deal, but the area I live in makes it rather difficult to find bargains anymore, unless someone is totally detached from the internet.
Being an hour south of you...the deals are still out there...but it takes quite a lot of work to uncover them and thus is likely not worth it monetarily if you value your time at anything over minimum wage.


Looks like a great setup. What a nice chance to use some excellent lenses and pick your favorites!
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I've just picked up a Leica outfit in similar fashion to the OP. An M2, MDa, 35mm f3.5 Summaron, 50mm rigid Summicron, 90mm f4 Elmar, MC meter and a few filters were advertised locally. Everything was supposed to be in great condition. Well, cosmetically, that may have been the case but both bodies have sticky slow speeds and all the lenses either have some fungus, haze or a combination of both.

I negotiated a better price and would still be able to make a profit after everything has been CLA'd so there was no risk attached. That was important to me as I'm not sure yet if I'm going to keep the outfit. I've been using SLRs for almost 40 years and switching to a rangefinder is tough. I've been writing about it here in case you're interested.
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I envy the new to you experience with the M3 and the great lenses. Please keep us informed of any changes and do post lots of pictures!
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