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Old 06-08-2015   #1
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Magnum Square Print Sale

Has anyone else seen this and are you tempted? A chance to buy a signed museum quality Magnum print for $100 - the catch is they're 6x6 and only available this week. Or you can have all 51 prints for $3,800...

I can't decide if this is a good deal or not but there are several I'm tempted by - particularly the Antoine d'Agata and the Martin Parr, from his second roll on the Plaubel Makina he shot "The Last Resort" on.

Sorry, on the phone so can't do a link.
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Link here.

Yes, the Parr choice is excellent and reminds me how good he once was. There are some other good ones too but I think the photographers' explanations about why each choice was a life changing photograph are often more interesting than the photograph itself. I have pondered whether to buy one but didn't realise until now how small they are.
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Yes agree about the explanations - well worth a browse for those alone. I just asked my wife if she'd prefer the d'Agata or the Parr, she said she'd prefer a new garden bench....
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I keep looking at the prints I like and noticing how they won't work if matted into a square (for me). Especially any of the shots on wider angle lenses. I guess I could cut them to create normal boarders, but then that doesn't seem right either.
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I ordered the Bruce Davidson print for my signed copy of East 100th St. which is already selling for around $400-$500 without the print. I really need to insure my book collection...it is seriously getting up there...
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I ordered the Alex Webb and Steve McCurry ones... I'm a sucker for color. They are tiny, but this is the closest I'll get to having a legit print.
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I'm tempted too but I'm still contemplating because the prints are just 6x6

But even then these are signed prints. I have three days more to decide...
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Thanks for posting. I bought the Bruce Davidson and Elliot Erwit.
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They're 6 inches
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Old 06-08-2015   #10
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Oh my. The Parr and Bendiksen are terrific. I bought them! Thanks for pointing this out.
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Thanks (I guess!) for this. I just realized that I had a copy of East 100th Street, as part of Bruce Davidson's five volume BLACK & WHITE. His print is now on order, as well as Alex Webb's (hard to pass up on his!).
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I'm confused. Every print looks like 35mm .what gets croped? Does the full frame get printed on a 6x6 sheet?
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I'm confused. Every print looks like 35mm .what gets croped? Does the full frame get printed on a 6x6 sheet?
The print size is 6x6, but the image size is not cropped.
Its just printed on 6x6 paper.

I've ordered a few the last time they offered these print sales.
Nothing this round really jumps out to me.
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It's sad that the enlarged preview available on the site will be substantially larger than the print received. Democratising the sale of prints is a great initiative, but these are simply too small. The other difficulty I have is that only about half of these seem to have been selected with a small print in mind, where IMO you need a single, bold motif to hold the viewer's attention.
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ah, 6x6 inch? not cm? that's not that small
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emmm. I'm looking at the prints and getting slightly disappointed. I mean...Steve McCurry's cuban image is, e.g., a very very cliche Havana shot, every tourist who goes there takes a similar image. No, not one, but a hundred. Yesl, also in 2010 they did.
The Martin Parr... really?? it just looks like a scene at 10am on tuesday in my street...
Not a bad image but not really "significant" without the context/description.

Well this is my first reaction. Need to look at all of 'em- maybe i find a few i like
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Museum quality but not museum size, unfortunately.
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I ordered the Bruce Davidson print for my signed copy of East 100th St. which is already selling for around $400-$500 without the print. I really need to insure my book collection...it is seriously getting up there...
Awesome! I've got just the book on order, but would have gotten the collectors edition in a flash!

Bit sad Koudelka doesn't have one for sale...
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Democratising the sale of prints is a great initiative, but these are simply too small. The other difficulty I have is that only about half of these seem to have been selected with a small print in mind, where IMO you need a single, bold motif to hold the viewer's attention.
Having looked through the collection more than once (which makes for quite an enjoyable read) I don't think I'm sufficiently taken with any of the selection to bother (the Parr probably comes closest to persuading me – it is really fine photograph – and I also like the Gruyaert, Dworzak and Steele-Perkins choices). All things considered, I think I'd rather spend the £70 on a couple of good photo books. Six inches square is essentially the same size as a square postcard and it'll only end up sitting in a drawer somewhere.
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There some stunning images in this $100 collection, but I just don't have the wall space.
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Having looked through the collection more than once (which makes for quite an enjoyable read) I don't think I'm sufficiently taken with any of the selection to bother (the Parr probably comes closest to persuading me – it is really fine photograph – and I also like the Gruyaert, Dworzak and Steele-Perkins choices). All things considered, I think I'd rather spend the £70 on a couple of good photo books. Six inches square is essentially the same size as a square postcard and it'll only end up sitting in a drawer somewhere.
I agree about the Parr -- wonderful photo.

The Gilden is probably the one I would most likely spring for, but not at $100, for what is, as you say, essentially a high-quality museum postcard.
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The two questions that need to be asked are: 1. How many of each print will be issued? Is it an open ended print run? and, 2. How is the print produced? Different productions have different values?

Personally, I suspect that if you are interested in the particular work of a photographer purchase a signed copy of one of his books. They often have limited runs.
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I ordered the Bruce Davidson print for my signed copy of East 100th St. which is already selling for around $400-$500 without the print. I really need to insure my book collection...it is seriously getting up there...
There are so many editions, hard to know which to buy. The first edition from Zürich: Conzett & Huber, 1969, is seldom offered signed, but the Harvard University Press edition is nicer anyway, and as you say is getting up there, $175 for mint unsigned copies. Signed copies of later editions are still nice, and a bargain IMO.

However if I wanted a print, honestly I would spring for a larger print. Beetles and Huxley for instance currently have a half dozen much more interesting prints @ around 4000 USD. One can often do much better at auction on his work.

I have a small Lurie Simmons, "Jimmy the Camera," and often wish I had purchased the larger size. 6x6 is really small.

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The two questions that need to be asked are: 1. How many of each print will be issued? Is it an open ended print run? and, 2. How is the print produced? Different productions have different values?

Personally, I suspect that if you are interested in the particular work of a photographer purchase a signed copy of one of his books. They often have limited runs.
The little prints are just for fun, but you are right. If one is shopping for a particular image in a larger size, prices will vary wildly, you really have to do your homework, and not be in a hurry. It is not unusual to save 50% over commonly advertised prices. I would not buy from Magnum, but would buy from a dealer.
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All of this talk of the prints being too small, is somewhat bewildering! I have many prints shot with my Rolleiflex, that were printed on 8x10 (silver) paper. Amazingly, they are all 6x6 square images. Framed in an 11x14 frame, I have never thought of them as "too small". They are not meant to be studied from across the room.

I can't wait for mine to arrive.
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$100 puts these firmly in a spot that is affordable for most people. It's a lot harder to spend thousands on prints. Sure, they are small. Most likely 3x5" on 6x6" paper for many of the 2:3 ratio ones. However, it is still legit and, uhmmm...cute.
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Awesome! I've got just the book on order, but would have gotten the collectors edition in a flash!

Bit sad Koudelka doesn't have one for sale...
Agreed on Koudelka...

While in transit to Look3 yesterday ( any folks from RFF here? ) the boxed set showed up, my wife checked it out and said it is really nice. Part of my plan with it is to use copies of the contact sheets along with a regular edition of the book for when I do guest presentations at our local college which has a great photo program.

The Davidson print is mostly to insert in the book, I would have preferred around 8x8 or 10x10 if I were to display it.
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I wonder if the black and white prints suffer because you're viewing them on screen, while the color prints conversely benefit from the luminescence of the screen? I was also taken with the color ones (the Parr and the Bendiksen) while the black and white ones left me a little flat.

The small size actually intrigues me. I like in a 200 square foot trailer with very little wall space, so tiny art for tiny houses.

Are these in any way decent investments?
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I just ordered the D'Agata print. It'll look nice matted and framed. I really admire his work.
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I don't see the point of buying one of these 6x6" prints for $100 when I can buy photo books of most of these photographers for much less.
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I'll reserve my judgement until I see the actual prints. A $200 gamble isn't so bad.
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Having started the thread I'm still on the fence whether to buy one or not, the size thing and the relative value versus a photobook is making me pause. Back to have another look...
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When I bought my first original print I was keen on owning something original - a photo directly derived from an original negative. To me having such a piece of original art to look at and enjoy makes me feel close to the actual moment captured as well as the process. It is so different to a photo in a photo book.
It has kinda become an addiction for me. Even my wife has gotten used to those "strange" photos hanging all over the apartment.
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I'll reserve my judgement until I see the actual prints. A $200 gamble isn't so bad.
No it's not, but what you are getting is not really as interesting as buying prints from photographers, at say the Bushwick Open Studios. http://artsinbushwick.org/

All I can say is I own really famous photographer's prints for $150. Of course you have to wait.
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I have tons of photo books but the idea of buying artwork never entered my mind due to the usual high cost. Sure I have purchased prints from local artists for $100 or so but I like the idea of owning a print from a Magnum photographer however small (or silly).
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My point however, it is possible to buy a $10,000 image for only $100. Or better still you can trade with friends.

I should have traded more when I was young, I missed incredible opportunities.
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My point however, it is possible to buy a $10,000 image for only $100. Or better still you can trade with friends.

I should have traded more when I was young, I missed incredible opportunities.
I certainly can't afford $10k but $100 is doable. I don't expect to get $10k's worth but I really like the photo and will enjoy it. Besides while I don't know how well Magnum is doing financially I don't mind throwing a few bucks their way to say thanks sort of.
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Thanks for the link, I got the Webb. I won't pick up a book quite so often, but I will look at a framed image that's on a wall a lot. I'm excited to have one!
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When I bought my first original print I was keen on owning something original - a photo directly derived from an original negative. To me having such a piece of original art to look at and enjoy makes me feel close to the actual moment captured as well as the process. It is so different to a photo in a photo book.
Yes, these prints should be better than off-set reproduction in a photo book (though I have some recent books – like the Vanessa Winship retrospective book from Fundacion Mapfre – which has astonishingly good print quality) but it is worth pointing out they are not directly printed from a neg. These are c-type digital prints (aka Lambda or Lightjet prints) made from scans. Still nice, of course and I would almost certainly buy one of these prints if I liked any of the selection enough to want to frame it and put it on the wall. $100 is a good deal.
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No it's not, but what you are getting is not really as interesting as buying prints from photographers, at say the Bushwick Open Studios. http://artsinbushwick.org/

All I can say is I own really famous photographer's prints for $150. Of course you have to wait.
I understand and can see your point. However, I bought ones of photographers I had already liked for awhile. Therefore they are really interesting for me. No reason I can't do both.
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