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Old 11-14-2018   #81
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Been using this plug in 100% of the time now.
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Yep, that's the goal. I'm finding it's quite complicated because of the differences in scanning software people use (EpsonScan, VueScan, Silverfast, FlexColor, etc), but with the right scan settings, plus the right calibrations built into Negative Lab Pro, it should be possible to get very very close.
Awesome! I imagine it's fairly difficult to make everything so thank you for all of the hard work!
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Me too! In addition to my Fuji Frontiers. I was never impressed by conversions until this plug in. It's a game changer.
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I've gone back to some of my old scans I did with my DSLR, ones that I never was really happy with where the colour was just off. As I had followed my methodology that produced great colour with other images, I chalked it down to expired film that I was not sure how it was stored.

Well... this plugin transformed them and made them look great (and normal!).
Seriously the best money I've spent in a long time.
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Anyone doing BW with it would like to share some examples?
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I only started home processing colour negative film earlier this year. I was disappointed with my initial results because CP showed a significant blue cast. I assumed it was a processing error as CP worked well with other lab processed films. Revisiting these earliest efforts of C41 films with NPL revealed that the negatives were perfect and the problem that I'd experienced was down to CP ( or more likely my inability to understand how to use CP)

With CP I'd convert all RAW files to TIFF and then methodically work those tiff files in PSE. NLP just saves so much time. I wish it was a little cheaper but for me it's already proving it's worth.

I don't really understand the point of scanner emulation but I would like some presets varying contrast , exposure and colour balance. It'd also be cool if the user could save settings. Great product
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Anyone doing BW with it would like to share some examples?
Hi wintoid,

I uploaded some Ilford HP5+ @800 (push +1) with the following settings here:
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I really like the improved speed and sharpness compared to the V700 scans!







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I uploaded some Ilford HP5+ @800 (push +1) with the following settings here:

Looking good! Thanks so much.
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With CP I'd convert all RAW files to TIFF and then methodically work those tiff files in PSE. NLP just saves so much time.
It's not just a time saving issue, but memory saving too!
My previous process required creating TIFFs which are huge files in comparison to just working on the RAWs.
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I went to bed happy with the trial and seriously considering purchasing the plug-in, but after waking up I realized... Because my copy stand has a 6x6 mask that covers only image area (it is akin to an enlarger mask) the area that I am selecting with the eye dropper actually isn't the orange mask, it's the black neg holder.

Yet the tool still works incredibly well.

I'm going to do another test, but will try using my 6x7 mask so I can select the orange mask. Unfortunately my 35mm holder will have the same problem.

Lastly, I accidentally lost one of my trial conversions when I pressed Apply by mistake instead of pressing Convert Negative first. Whoops. Might be a feature to use in a later version, greying out that button until after a conversion is made?
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I went to bed happy with the trial and seriously considering purchasing the plug-in, but after waking up I realized... Because my copy stand has a 6x6 mask that covers only image area (it is akin to an enlarger mask) the area that I am selecting with the eye dropper actually isn't the orange mask, it's the black neg holder.

Yet the tool still works incredibly well.

I'm going to do another test, but will try using my 6x7 mask so I can select the orange mask. Unfortunately my 35mm holder will have the same problem.

Lastly, I accidentally lost one of my trial conversions when I pressed Apply by mistake instead of pressing Convert Negative first. Whoops. Might be a feature to use in a later version, greying out that button until after a conversion is made?
unless the strips are cut into single negs, you can just slide the negs in-between frames and capture one of those per roll. It's only to set the white balance.
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I went to bed happy with the trial and seriously considering purchasing the plug-in, but after waking up I realized... Because my copy stand has a 6x6 mask that covers only image area (it is akin to an enlarger mask) the area that I am selecting with the eye dropper actually isn't the orange mask, it's the black neg holder.

Yet the tool still works incredibly well.

I'm going to do another test, but will try using my 6x7 mask so I can select the orange mask. Unfortunately my 35mm holder will have the same problem.

Lastly, I accidentally lost one of my trial conversions when I pressed Apply by mistake instead of pressing Convert Negative first. Whoops. Might be a feature to use in a later version, greying out that button until after a conversion is made?

Just take one test shot without the mask so you can use the edge for the white balance. That will be good for the entire roll.
Then 'scan' the rest as normal.
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Lastly, I accidentally lost one of my trial conversions when I pressed Apply by mistake instead of pressing Convert Negative first. Whoops. Might be a feature to use in a later version, greying out that button until after a conversion is made?
I had some similar issues, for one reason or another, wanted to start again with NLP from the beginning with one negative.

My best solution: Hit x, then remove from catalog, and re-import.

I think I tried going back in history (equivalent to undo), but that didn't work out. Didn't seem to fully undo NLPs changes.
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You can use the 'reset' w/in NLP to make sure all the changes are undone.
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Tried this with a Plustek scanner base and didn't work great. Need huge gamma/exposure correction and the colours are still off. Otherwise would love to use it - interface is soo much better than any of the other ones.
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I had some similar issues, for one reason or another, wanted to start again with NLP from the beginning with one negative.

My best solution: Hit x, then remove from catalog, and re-import.

I think I tried going back in history (equivalent to undo), but that didn't work out. Didn't seem to fully undo NLPs changes.
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You can use the 'reset' w/in NLP to make sure all the changes are undone.
I always make sure to hit reset before unconverting.

So if I inverted & edited a (camera-) scan and want to start from scratch with a virtual copy my WF is the following:
  1. make virtual copy ([cmd] + [t] on a mac)
  2. open NLP on the copy
  3. "reset"
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  6. go to Library-Module of Lr
  7. reset all Lightroom changes

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Tried this with a Plustek scanner base and didn't work great. Need huge gamma/exposure correction and the colours are still off. Otherwise would love to use it - interface is soo much better than any of the other ones.
quality of conversion from scans depend highly upon the scan software giving you a real linear output.
What software did you use and what were your settings?

Also, scanners support is in the works (see release video of v1.2).

If you're interested that your scanner is supported I suggest you get in touch with the author and ask if it would be helpful to share your scans with him.
He mentioned somewhere that he'll post a guide for the best scan-settings. I just guess this was delayed a bit for the sake of releasing v1.2 - but as this is available now I'm hoping for fast scanner integration hehe
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Tried this with a Plustek scanner base and didn't work great. Need huge gamma/exposure correction and the colours are still off. Otherwise would love to use it - interface is soo much better than any of the other ones.
The plugin expects gamma encoded input file. Your scan was probably raw (linear) file. Scan the negative as (non-raw) slide film.

I did a few such scans on my drum scanner that has incredibly good color accuracy and the results from the plugin weren't particularly good. I wouldn't expect miracles from your Plustek scans with this plugin either...
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Version 1.2 is out now!

The improvements are well worth installing. Good work Nate!

Really looking forward to support for flatbed scanned images. Sticking with my original workflow using Adrian Gabor's PS plug-in until that happens.
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Hi Nate - are there any plans to widen out the LR compatibility to version 5, please? I'm rather maxed out with post-processing software and would normally have no need to upgrade!

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Hi Nate - are there any plans to widen out the LR compatibility to version 5, please? I'm rather maxed out with post-processing software and would normally have no need to upgrade!
I would love to, but I'm afraid I'm limited by what's available to me in the Lightroom SDK. Many of the methods I use to make Negative Lab Pro work weren't introduced until version 6.0 and later.
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Hey guys. I'm trying NLP with epson V700. Have pretty weird results. Does anybody have satisfying scans with this setup?

What I tried:
1. No gamma correction
2. Gamma correction 1.8 with neutral tones picker on unexposed film.
3. Gamma correction 2.2 with neutral tones picker on unexposed film.
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Hey guys. I'm trying NLP with epson V700. Have pretty weird results.
Maybe show an example?

Also, there's more traffic and regular participation by the developer on the NLP Facebook page.
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I took a look at CP and it seems to me difficult to use and requiring a learning curve.
As to NP, I am not familiar with LR. Long time ago I took a look at it and it was immediate dislike.
Now PS has non-destructive editing (via layers). Where is the difference?
Besides I always work on a copy. Just in case
As too cataloging I find simpler to use the file system, which is more than adequate to my needs
Bottom line: will a PS plug-in arrive or should I try CP and waste more of the little time I have available to work on my archive?
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I took a look at CP and it seems to me difficult to use and requiring a learning curve.
As to NP, I am not familiar with LR. Long time ago I took a look at it and it was immediate dislike.
Now PS has non-destructive editing (via layers). Where is the difference?
Besides I always work on a copy. Just in case
As too cataloging I find simpler to use the file system, which is more than adequate to my needs
Bottom line: will a PS plug-in arrive or should I try CP and waste more of the little time I have available to work on my archive?
Sounds like you are looking for a good color-neg conversion in Photoshop.

See this thread for details and examples of several approaches in PS.

A couple of key points:
- Staying completely in PS, invert with an big sweeping curve
- Using Color Perfect worked best by running RAW files thru MakeTIFF

I prefer Lightroom, so I'm using that route.
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I took a look at CP and it seems to me difficult to use and requiring a learning curve.
As to NP, I am not familiar with LR. Long time ago I took a look at it and it was immediate dislike.
Now PS has non-destructive editing (via layers). Where is the difference?
Besides I always work on a copy. Just in case
As too cataloging I find simpler to use the file system, which is more than adequate to my needs
Bottom line: will a PS plug-in arrive or should I try CP and waste more of the little time I have available to work on my archive?
This is an excellent Photoshop negative conversion plugin, and actually still my favourite way of doing it.

http://eigakai.ro/ps-action/cn-scan-inversion
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This is an excellent Photoshop negative conversion plugin, and actually still my favourite way of doing it.

http://eigakai.ro/ps-action/cn-scan-inversion
Yes, that one works pretty well.
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Hey guys. I'm trying NLP with epson V700. Have pretty weird results. Does anybody have satisfying scans with this setup?

What I tried:
1. No gamma correction
2. Gamma correction 1.8 with neutral tones picker on unexposed film.
3. Gamma correction 2.2 with neutral tones picker on unexposed film.
I suggest you read this entry in the facebook group and then download the profile for your V700. Needs Vuescan RAW DNG (not Tiff!) as of now.

And be aware that scanner support is still BETA.

So I wouldn't judge the tool's abilities until it's officially released.
But so far I can tell you: it works very well with my V700.

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Maybe show an example?

Also, there's more traffic and regular participation by the developer on the NLP Facebook page.
Sure, Ill upload it later. Just joined, thanks

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I suggest you read this entry in the facebook group and then download the profile for your V700. Needs Vuescan RAW DNG (not Tiff!) as of now.

And be aware that scanner support is still BETA.

So I wouldn't judge the tool's abilities until it's officially released.
But so far I can tell you: it works very well with my V700.

regards!
Yep, thanks, started following.

I tried scanning with Epson scan software without using profile for conversion

I just followed instructions from the NLP website.

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Flatbed Scanner Tips

  While DSLR scanning is preferred, it is still possible to get great  negative-to-positive conversions using Negative Lab Pro with a  flatbed-scanned negative.While the exact instructions will vary based on  the scanning model and software used, here are few tips to keep in  mind:
  • Scan in Positive mode with maximum bit depth - for obvious reason.
  • Turn off all adjustments except for one: use the white-balance picker to sample the film mask - if your scanning software allows you to set a neutral grey point, do it now by sampling the film mask before your scan. In my testing, this resulted in much truer colors than trying to sample the non-RAW file later in Lightroom. The exception to this is those using VueScan software and saving to RAW DNG file. While this is not actually saving a true raw file, it did allow for truer white-balancing in Lightroom.
PS Link for scanned negatives with Espon scan with gamma 1.8 and 2.2:
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Version 1.3 is coming soon! It looks like it'll be drastically better for film scanners which will be great because I had some really weird results on some of my recent Portra 160 images.
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would love to see dedicated profiles for the latest (last) generation of Nikon Coolscanners (V, 5000, 9000)!
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would love to see dedicated profiles for the latest (last) generation of Nikon Coolscanners (V, 5000, 9000)!
for LS-5000 & LS-9000 profiles already exist, for the LS-50 (V) you can send Nathan some RAW-Scans with the requested settings and I'm sure he will create a profile for it as well.
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for LS-5000 & LS-9000 profiles already exist, for the LS-50 (V) you can send Nathan some RAW-Scans with the requested settings and I'm sure he will create a profile for it as well.
hot damn! very nice.
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Hi Fujilove,
thank you so much!
I will definitely try it and let you know!
If it works as you say it can be a life saver for me!
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Version 1.3 is coming soon! It looks like it'll be drastically better for film scanners which will be great because I had some really weird results on some of my recent Portra 160 images.
Any updates? Was thinking of finally pressing the button, but it seems like development has slowed? Still at version 1.2.1. This post from February said 1.3 was coming?

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Any updates? Was thinking of finally pressing the button, but it seems like development has slowed? Still at version 1.2.1. This post from February said 1.3 was coming?

Any news?
Yes. Do buy now. Install 1.2, and enter your registration code.

Join the FaceBook group for Negative Lab Pro. Ask there for the location for 1.31, now available, designated as Beta, but being used by lots of people and it's very solid.
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