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View Poll Results: Most-Hated M Model?
M3 11 1.77%
M2 3 0.48%
M4 3 0.48%
M4-2 65 10.48%
M4-P 15 2.42%
M5 303 48.87%
M6 7 1.13%
M6 TTL 13 2.10%
M7 20 3.23%
MP (new and original) 11 1.77%
M8 146 23.55%
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Old 04-03-2010   #1
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Most Maligned Leica M Model

Which Leica M is the most-loathed and least-liked? It's a matter of historical fact that the M5's introduction was met with near disastrous financial returns, but that doesn't stop it from being the favorite of many a user here. How does each model stack up against its sisters?
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We all know what is going to happen here..haha! MP,M3, or M4 best, and M5 most hated !
What's the point? I still love my M5

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Old 04-03-2010   #5
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I voted M5, but I think that the CL was probably more maligned in it's day, although a cult camera today.
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M5 was considered big, and had a meter...

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There's a limit to 12 poll items.

The CL isn't an M Model.

In the parlance of the day -- "'nuff said."
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Old 04-03-2010   #8
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Yes the results of the poll confirm the dirt that was fostered on the M5 by the Pseudo Experts dating back to the original magazine reviews. The company created what I think is likely the best "low" light meter Leica ever produced. I have actually heard stories that back when it was released the M5's meter was considered a sell out the the Japanese marketing game of "one ups manship".
As we all know that back in the day no real Leica owner needed light meter for every day shooting. There were several really strange stories on why the M5 got such a slam in the press.

For me it is still a great camera and more sensitive than my M6TTL meter.
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Old 04-03-2010   #9
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M5. My favorite Leica, hands down. And then the M4-2, another (getting to be) favorite shooter of mine. The Black Sheep of the Leica Family
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'Hated' and 'maligned' aren't the same thing -- and besides, I'd suggest that 'least liked' is more accurate than 'hated'.

For 'least liked' the M5 has to win hands down. A conspiracy theory of 'Pseudo Experts' holds no water at all: why is it in the interests of a 'Pseudo Expert' (or anyone else) to talk it down?

The simple truth is that it just didn't sell, and those who remember its introduction -- I still have the pamphlet somewhere -- were not particularly surprised. Since its discontinuation it has acquired a number of fierce devotees, but hey, so have Trabants.

For 'maligned' -- in other words, 'attacked unjustly' (usually by those who hadn't tried it) -- the M8 must surely be the winner.

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I voted for the M8, the digital disaster.
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I voted for MP as I've seen nothing in favour of it on any forum I frequent. I had one, it virtually fell apart. It's made of metal which makes it heavy, doesn't come with a lens, no AF or AE and it only takes film.
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Roger: I think the M5 is to the M3/M4 what the Jaguar XJ-S is to the E Type. You cannot compare us M5 lovers to Trabant enthusiasts!
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For 'maligned' -- in other words, 'attacked unjustly' (usually by those who hadn't tried it) -- the M8 must surely be the winner..
Totally agree on that Roger, are you reading this Ken Rockwell?

M5 the Trabant of the camera world. hehe
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I don't care what anyone else has to say about it, but that M5 is just fat ugly.
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I'm going to say the M8 on the basis of being most demanded (if Leica doesn't produce a digital M right-effing now, then...) yet most derided (not full-frame; purple dinner jackets etc.) M in my time watching - most of that (of course) by what seemed to be the same people. I've skipped the digital Leica thing through financial incapacity - but I have enjoyed watching the show. People hating being given what they've long demanded (in each of the M8, M8.2 and M9 circumstances).

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Roger: I think the M5 is to the M3/M4 what the Jaguar XJ-S is to the E Type. You cannot compare us M5 lovers to Trabant enthusiasts!
Dear Philip,

Sorry, that wasn't my intention! All I meant was that even a Trabby has people who love it, whereas the M5 is merely unloved compared with a range of other superb cameras.

I've never driven an E-type (though I had a girlfriend who had one -- she was keener on me than I was on her, which is why I never drove it) but I did have a new XJ-S on loan from Jaguar for a few weeks and I have to say that I find it hard to imagine the E-type being more fun, even with the V12 engine. A cherished memory is playing silly buggers on Mulholland Drive, me in the XJS, the other fellow (we never met to speak) in a Countache. Other friends who've has the E-type reckoned that the handling was not always up to the power.

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M8 without a doubt. Just not up to the job and neither is the M9. My Nikon D700 is so much better in every way apart from the size, bulk and lenses of course. Get a grip Leica, you are 2 generations behind in the digital game. Am back shooting film on M6 and M7 and loving every minute of it!
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The M5 might be a great camera by itself.
But it seems to depart to much from what makes an M an M.
I personally love the M (not 5) size, and the location of the finder, at the far left.
I can stick the camera on my big nose and have the finder right in place.
On an M5, a cron 35 of the same era feels too small to me.
In terms of handing, the Hexar AF is closer than the M5 to the other Ms.
That being said, I perfectly understand why people love their M5.
Some great things there, like the speed dial, or the needle match meter...
Personally, the best M is to be invented: an MP with the larger frames of older models (was it so hard to make it an A LA CARTE option??)

I voted M3, just because I really can't live without 35mm frames. Even the M5 has them
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I can't live without the 35mm frames either. My Summilux permanently stays on the M7, which is my favourite camera. Love its ease of use. The AE is useful and despite my initial scepticism find it quite accurate most of the time, its even more predictable than the Nikon Matrix metering which can give very unpredictable results.
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Before I bough my first Leica, I read widely about the various models and the one least liked was the M4-2. It's steel gears were said to lack the smoothness of brass gears in the M4 before it, but the M4-P after it was in contrast well liked. The M5 was definitely an oddity, disliked by some for its departure in style but generally well liked by its owners.

There's no doubt that the passionate discussion of Leica gear drew me to the make, but ultimately convinced me that the differences were largely user preferences and any one would be great.

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I've often wondered why the M2 is the cheapest Leica on the used market.

Regarding the M5, I do like my RFs smaller than my SLRs
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I'm tempted to say that the M4-2 is the most maligned model, due to the traditionalists view of the M4-2's "cheapened" build quality due to its steel internal mechanisms and the fact that it was produced in Midlands, but arguably it's also one of, if not, THE most significant and important Leica M models ever built as well.
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well the m5 is undoubtedly the most maligned.
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I've read so many negative posts about the M4-2 that, when it comes to the most maligned (according to Roger's definition), this one takes the cake. The M5 was simply too weird, too different, too radically new for the Leica users of 1971, who also maligned it and now regret it (hopefully). However, the M4-2 is still being considered a "dog" by those for whom the M4 and the M2 were the Holy Grail of Leicadom.

Hence, my vote went for the M4-2.

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I used to sell the CLwhen it was new. There weren't any bad feelings about it. Oh, it wasn't a real Leica, but many still likedit.
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I think that until they can shoot video with autofocus at a burst rate of 24 fps, all Leica M models are very much maligned.

It still won't answer the Holy Grail of Photo Questions: "which lens is sharper"?

Oh, the humanity.
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There's a limit to 12 poll items.

The CL isn't an M Model.

In the parlance of the day -- "'nuff said."
Proof enough that this is indeed the most maligned of all.
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Now, I only own one M..an M5 ,
But I voted M8: Because for Leica to "Space" on the IR sensor filter was worse than new body style the M5 had. The M5, after 134xxxx at least, was very solid camera that preformed as any M. Were was the QC on the sensor assembly? How could that happen?

Every M has it's Pro's and Cons. The M5 Con...the size of the rewind finger hold.. I would have made it wider and longer, for a better grip. My fat fingers do slip off it more than I would like.
M5 Pro...The Excellent Light meter. In tricky lighting, you can always control what gets metered.

I think the other Ms (M2/3/4) have similar bodies with small differences. The M6/TTL/M7 are similar, and have small differences..But, just enough to have a choice of feature sets that reflects your style/wants. Most of the modern Ms have had more QC issues too. But, the Cameras are still very high on Build and durability despite this.
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I don't like the M8 , like the M4 , have the M6TTL .

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Proof enough that this is indeed the most maligned of all.
I has the same metering as the M5, but it is smaller and much
lighter. My CL is an outstanding performer.

It isn't an M though.
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Today was filled with shooting. I was out 3 times, once with an M3, then an M9, and finally with an M5. Different lenses and desired image qualities decided which was used. I did some close imaging with a 50 DR and eyes with the M3, wide angle (21mm) color work with the M9 (film is all B&W for me), and general 35mm shooting with the M5. The fact is I love working with all of them (and an M7) but the M5 might be my favorite for the actual shooting experience, it's handling. I like it's size, I like hanging it vertically on my side using the 2 lugs (I have a 3 lug body), and I love the meter. The analogue feedback creates an organic connection with the light, that's how it seems. EV adjustment becomes a bit more a matter of "feel", less a digital instruction, as it is on the M7, M9, etc I love seeing the shutter speed always in the VF. Just a great camera. best...Peter
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I voted M8, not because I've owned one, but because I've never wanted one. The crop factor is intolerable. And it's already obsolete!
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I don't hate any of them... but I never desired to own a M5. The rest, I've liked at one time or another.
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Most maligned M body is definitely the M4-2, but the most disliked for feel is the M5. I don't know why that is, but the supposed changes to plastic or metal gears of the M4-2 doesn't make it function any less than what a Leica M should. Mine's been working for ages (but the flash sync inside is another story; fixed twice). The changes in what a Leica M should feel like all points to the M5, but that too was a great working Leica.
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