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Old 06-27-2014   #1
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Old 06-27-2014   #2
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No at all surprising. I never used Aperture but always thought it didn't have much change against Lightroom and Adobe. "Photos" isn't going to be a substitute for Aperture so I feel for all the folks who are going to have to make a switch. Especially those with large libraries.
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Well, at least we know now. I made the jump a while ago, but it's good to know for sure. It would appear that Apple is officially recommending LR as a replacement.

"According to Apple Insider, “Apple also said it is working with Adobe to help users transition to its Lightroom app for Mac.” "

So no one gets the idea that the "Photos" app will replace Aperture. Clarity is good.
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Soooooo disappointed. I went w/ aperture because I preferred the workflow better than LR.. I dislike the adobe cloud approach (just me). I would worry that adobe will eventually fold everything into the cloud and licensing model.

I get about 90% of my work done under aperture. I hope that aperture will at least work on a couple of future osx releases before it stops.. It will give me time to transition. I also hope apple works on a library conversion export to LR.. I really would not be happy re-applying my changes all over again in LR or exporting whole libraries as TIFF16 and/or raw or to keep a computer setup for the last usable osx version.

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For Aperture, the writing has been on the wall for years.

LR is not cloud based yet. It can still be purchased outright. But, if that happens I will be looking at alternatives like DarkTable.

People are squeaking about loosing RAW capability with the demise of aperture, but they are forgetting that RAW capability is built into OSX - it's not part of an application.
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not at all surprising, apple has a very short attention span when it comes to products for professionals e.g. final cut and their "office" products
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Pixelmator (OS X only) was just upgraded to support 16 bit rendering. It is a viable alternate to LR/ps.

I have read nothing about raw support for new cameras in Yosemite. But it seems reasonable that Yosemite's Photos App will be compatible with raw from new cameras because this is an OS wide feature (not an App specific feature). Even Preview in OS 10.9 will render Xtrans raw.
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People are squeaking about loosing RAW capability with the demise of aperture, but they are forgetting that RAW capability is built into OSX - it's not part of an application.
Yep.. When raw is upgrade in base osx update, all mac base sw tools including preview have the support.

The big issue has always been how long it took apple to update their support vs others like adobe or capture one for example. On the other hand IMHO they did a better job of raw support for Fuji xtran sensor cameras then adobe did though.

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How is capture one these days? I have not played w/ it for a long time (demo version)..

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Cant stand Lightroom.... awful software. Will stick with Aperture for as long as it works which I guess will be a good few years yet.
Absolutely agree.. I plan to stick w/ aperture for as long as possible.. In the meantime look for a migration path to different sw.

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I was thinking of testing DarkTable, an open source alternative. If anybody who has used it could comment, that would be good. If LR goes full-on CC, I will be looking for an alternative.
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As long as I can move the files out, I suppose I can live with this. Or leave everything where it is for now and use something new only for work going forward?

(Or just shoot film and do everything in the darkroom. Grumble grumble.)
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I can very well imagine the panic of someone that has been storing the files as part of the Aperture library instead of using referenced files. Forget iPhoto for the same reason. Gives me chills just thinking about it. A lifetime of work wrapped up in a proprietary database that's about to be abandoned by the developer. When I used Aperture regularly, I always referenced files in my tried and true directory structure.
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Too bad, so sad. Just kidding.

Some will have to revert back to using film!

Or is it go ahead and capture with film!

Thoughts on on one? They have a new suite:

http://www.ononesoftware.com/

It looks very interesting. Looks like available as a stand alone.

I have a version that works with PS and it's my most used accessory with Photoshop.
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I don't really care much about apple. Adobe focuses on multimedia apps and don't venture out be build os.

I forgot the app name but I bought an unlimited version of a graphics app that later be acquired by Adobe to become Lightroom V1. That app was fantastic with my Olympus E-1 orf file in the old days. and was very simple to use, much easier than Lightroom v1.
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This is a really dumb move by Apple. I mean come on, why not just discontinue the Mac and move everyone over to Windows if you are going to stab your own customers in the back like that?
Yes, it's a 'dumb move' in respect to consumers who are using Aperture. But I imagine that it's a 'smart move' in respect to Apple as a company and where they want to position themselves in a constantly changing industry called "photography."

And a type of photography that is now based solely on electronic capture devices (and that only resemble cameras from the past by their physical appearance), software, and computer hardware is going to an always shifting paradigm. And when one is reminded that these are for-profit industries and nothing else, then it makes sense. But yes, it's going to be hardest on the consumer because in the end it will be at their expense.
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I only use Aperture. How screwed are we?
And I suppose all my backups are in aperture too... Disaster or just a pain for a few days of transition?
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Soooooo disappointed. I went w/ aperture because I preferred the workflow better than LR.. I dislike the adobe cloud approach (just me). I would worry that adobe will eventually fold everything into the cloud and licensing model.

I get about 90% of my work done under aperture. I hope that aperture will at least work on a couple of future osx releases before it stops.. It will give me time to transition. I also hope apple works on a library conversion export to LR.. I really would not be happy re-applying my changes all over again in LR or exporting whole libraries as TIFF16 and/or raw or to keep a computer setup for the last usable osx version.

Kind of pissed right now.
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As long as I can move the files out, I suppose I can live with this. Or leave everything where it is for now and use something new only for work going forward?

(Or just shoot film and do everything in the darkroom. Grumble grumble.)
Yeah, as long as I can get my original RAW files out of Aperture's file structure without having to manually sift through that devilish file structure, I'll be happy.
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I have both Aperture and Lightroom, have had them both since before they were v1.0. I used to use Aperture for specific things that LR didn't support, as I prefer the way LR works. But in the past three years, that use has gone to nil.

In all cases, it's best to keep your workflow agnostic of a specific tool as best you can. Some things don't survive and better things come along—happened in film just as it does in digital. You should always be in a position to take best advantage of whatever is available. For instance, I simply wouldn't use Aperture for anything serious until I could always reference my original photos rather than embed them in its proprietary data structures. And whenever I "finish" a photo, with either, I export it to a "finished work" repository as a full rez, 16bit per component TIFF file to 'future proof' my labors. Relying on any specific application to be around forever has always seemed a foolish thing to do.

I'll be interested to see what Photos offers, both at first and later as it is developed. I hope it is a quantum beyone iPhoto, as iPhoto has always driven me a little nutty with its weirdnesses from its earliest days to the present.

Meanwhile, I just bought another ten packs of Impossible film for my Polaroids. If I get good enough at getting the results I want from them, my photo image processing needs become many many times simpler. Same for using the in-camera JPEG engines of my digital cameras.

There are always alternatives to work with ... :-)

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I only use Aperture. How screwed are we?
And I suppose all my backups are in aperture too... Disaster or just a pain for a few days of transition?
It's impossible to say. Apple has formally stated they are working with Adobe to develop a seamless transition into the LR platform.

Aperture will work for appromately 30 months at least. When Yosemite (OS X 10) is replaced by OS X 11, Aperture may or may not work. I do not think . iPhoto will work past OS X 9. I suspect installing Yosemite will automatically convert an iPhoto image library into a Photo App library.

Those who choose not to switch to LR have other options. People who decided to let Apeture or iPhoto organize their work can export their files from those Apps. Or, the App libraries are actually Packages and the Packages contain the original images. So it is possible (but tedious) to copy the images manually. An Aperture/iPhoto export would be best since you can export as Orginal, Current, JPEG or TIFF.

Another option could be to download the LR free trial, make the transition designed for Aperture/iPhoto users when it's released, and then manually export the images (masters and modified) from LR for use in another platform.

I would suprised if Capture One, Pixelmator and other platforms don't offer seamless transition paths as well.

I write this not to defend Apple, but rather to minimize concerns about loosing work and optimized images.
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why wouldn't we always be able to use Aperture, as long as we have our disks. Surely it will be compatible with future OS revisions.

I have no intention of giving up Aperture. I have LR, and have tried Capture One. I think they are crap compared to Aperture, which is totally intuitive to use!

I think Apple has shot itself in the foot.
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hmmmm.... I do wonder what the transition will look like. Plus I've got a couple of really useful plug-ins (Silver Efex and Alien Skin Exposure 5). Hopefully I will not have to re-buy these.
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Rob, if you lock-in your current configuration of computer, OS and cameras, then you're fine. But the historical trend is for software to eventually be dropped from OS support for various reasons.

Therefore, someday, when your current system must be replaced for whatever reason, or the OS upgraded, or you need new cameras, you'll end up in a position where you'll need to transition.

It's probably a good idea to keep working with what you're familiar with now, but to start testing other apps and explore transition options before it comes down to a crunch situation. Who knows, you might find something you like more than Aperture (and maybe this will create additional 3rd party developer incentive to provide an alternative to Adobe).

Back with OSX 10.8, I think, Apple dropped Rosetta, which meant Photoshop CS2 would no longer work if I updated... Yep, I'm stuck way back there with Photoshop because it does what I need 'good enough' and it's paid for. So I keep a partition of OSX 10.6.8 on that computer, the oldest one I still have and only one where I can do this. Luckily in my situation I can do 98% of my work in Lightroom. If and when it goes 100% cloud subscription, I will consider how long I can lock-in with my current configuration. The biggest problem will probably be new camera compatibility (though conversion to DNG might be an option).
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why wouldn't we always be able to use Aperture, as long as we have our disks. Surely it will be compatible with future OS revisions.

I have no intention of giving up Aperture. I have LR, and have tried Capture One. I think they are crap compared to Aperture, which is totally intuitive to use!

I think Apple has shot itself in the foot.
Apple tends to have philosophy of minimizing the amount of unique code in their applications like Aperture by putting more common stuff in the Operating system utilities and function call libraries. When an operating system is upgraded, there is always chance of breaking an app which is not supported any longer because something about the usage or call parms of that common library function has changed. Supported apps are always updated to match those changes.

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I'm not going to miss how slow Aperture loads on start-up and imports, but it will be a royal pain in the rear to migrate and reorganize.
I'm starting to think that all info should be in the form of tags in the EXIF data - and not as external cues in a proprietary DB.
The other think that sucks is if you have made iPhoto books or slideshows - it's not going to migrate anywhere smoothly
I'll think on it this weekend while shooting my Nikon SP and Tri-X
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Spells the end of my relationship with Apple. This is the second time they've peeved me. I'll milk this computer as far as it will go (and it's starting to fail already) and then it's back to Elements and Bridge and Windows 7. When that becomes untenable I guess I'll just have to learn Linux. The trend seems to be one of making toys out of tools.
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I hate cloud based apps...let alone cloud based storage of your photos maybe great for centralization and reliable storage, but after u use up your free storage limit, whether we are talking google, adobe or this case apple... U are going to pay a monthly fee. Then depending on the connection u have, the latency between your computer and the cloud based storage.

At least they promised one more update to aperture when the next is is released.

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-Ugh not what I wanted to hear being I could not warm up to LR and Aperture's user interface works for me and how I think. Though I worry what will run on a Mac OS? Makes me concerned about my long term commitment to Apple for computing ( did I really just type that) being the Window Vista night mare is over.
+We will have time to figure this out. This will be a very good opportunity for someone to pick up a lot of users if they make the transition comfortable, run on my Mac and seamless export of Aperture files……
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I only use Aperture. How screwed are we?
And I suppose all my backups are in aperture too... Disaster or just a pain for a few days of transition?
It sounds like the replacement Photos app will replace both iPhoto and Aperture. Looks far more like the latter:



Moving to LR should preserve all metadata and library system, but unless you bake all adjustments into a TIFF those will be lost. Same for any other editor.

The Photos app will also be non-destructive. It is probably a wait-and-see issue for most Aperture users.

Also, Apple said they will update Aperture for Yosemite, so there is a transition awareness.

I just hope they keep stacks. Very, very useful feature.
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In all cases, it's best to keep your workflow agnostic of a specific tool as best you can. Some things don't survive and better things come along—happened in film just as it does in digital. You should always be in a position to take best advantage of whatever is available. For instance, I simply wouldn't use Aperture for anything serious until I could always reference my original photos rather than embed them in its proprietary data structures. And whenever I "finish" a photo, with either, I export it to a "finished work" repository as a full rez, 16bit per component TIFF file to 'future proof' my labors. Relying on any specific application to be around forever has always seemed a foolish thing to do.



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I think this is the best advice in the thread. Companies don't exist to serve us, they exist to make money. Apple made some software, then decided not to persevere with it, that's it, nobody has been screwed over or stabbed in the back.

I use many different types of computer, and generally speaking don't commit to anything that can't be easily undone.

Personally I find a simple directory structure good enough for my needs.

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Huh?

Is this guy talking about photography or social networking? "Everyone" does it that way now? Have I been missing something?

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No at all surprising. I never used Aperture but always thought it didn't have much change against Lightroom and Adobe. "Photos" isn't going to be a substitute for Aperture so I feel for all the folks who are going to have to make a switch. Especially those with large libraries.
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Is this guy talking about photography or social networking? "Everyone" does it that way now? Have I been missing something?
Where apple is going w/ this is something I am not interested in... It seems more for the Facebook/google crowd and those that want cloud based world.

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