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Old 09-12-2018   #41
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Old 12-31-2018   #42
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Old 12-31-2018   #43
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I have a very clean I-61 that I got in a trade, as a body cap actually, I have never shot it. I figured because you could get them for $12 shipped from Eastern Europe they were poop, and here you are making decent pictures with one!
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I hope you recognize the lens on the Leica camera.)
To do a good job in anything, if the lens doesn't like it, it will make bad shots...
I hope the translation is a little clear.)
The pilot strokes the plane before the flight, like a jockey horse before the race (This often helps)))
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I shall screw it on the Zorki 3M and see what's what!
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I hope you recognize the lens on the Leica camera.)
To do a good job in anything, if the lens doesn't like it, it will make bad shots...
I hope the translation is a little clear.)
The pilot strokes the plane before the flight, like a jockey horse before the race (This often helps)))
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Old 01-15-2019   #46
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Old 01-30-2019   #48
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Old 02-03-2019   #49
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Alright, so about a year ago, I got an Industar 61 with a Zorki 4. Turns out the take-up spool was the incorrect one, but I shot a couple rolls with the bad one (it slipped, but kinda worked). Now that I have the new spool, I'm excited to try out a completely working camera.

That said, what's up with these lenses (I mean, Russian RF lenses in general)? Something I've noticed with nearly all the color shots I see from them is that they render color very...flat? All the shots I see look like they're 50 years old. Here's a couple shots with the Zorki/N61, shot on Fuji Superia 400 at box speed, shot with a light meter:





By comparison, here's the same film, shot with the same meter, through a Yashica Electro 35:



Also, the white spots: dirt, or a hole-y curtain?
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Alright, so about a year ago, I got an Industar 61 with a Zorki 4. Turns out the take-up spool was the incorrect one, but I shot a couple rolls with the bad one (it slipped, but kinda worked). Now that I have the new spool, I'm excited to try out a completely working camera.

That said, what's up with these lenses (I mean, Russian RF lenses in general)? Something I've noticed with nearly all the color shots I see from them is that they render color very...flat? All the shots I see look like they're 50 years old. Here's a couple shots with the Zorki/N61, shot on Fuji Superia 400 at box speed, shot with a light meter:
In my experience, the FSU rangefinder lenses that I have used give excellent colors. Looking at your examples, I suspect that your color issues stem from a shutter problem and the resulting poor exposures.


This is from my Industar-61 L/D and expired Fuji Superia 400


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Here's one from my photozine Twenty One of 35.


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I made this image with an Industar 61LD converted to Kiev/Contax mount for the Sony E mount.
The Dude by Carlos Yashinon, on Flickr
Here is one more from the adapted lens and NEX6
Zen Stones by Carlos Yashinon, on Flickr

This is what the Kiev/Contax to NEX adapter looks like. Cleaner than some I have seen.
Industar 61LD converted to Kiev mount & adapter by Carlos Yashinon, on Flickr
Looks OK on a NEX
Sony NEX6 and Industar 61LD adapted for E mount by Carlos Yashinon, on Flickr

Now I can also use my Jupiter 8m as well as my Helios 103 with the NEX6.
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Alright, so about a year ago, I got an Industar 61 with a Zorki 4. Turns out the take-up spool was the incorrect one, but I shot a couple rolls with the bad one (it slipped, but kinda worked). Now that I have the new spool, I'm excited to try out a completely working camera.

That said, what's up with these lenses (I mean, Russian RF lenses in general)? Something I've noticed with nearly all the color shots I see from them is that they render color very...flat? All the shots I see look like they're 50 years old. Here's a couple shots with the Zorki/N61, shot on Fuji Superia 400 at box speed, shot with a light meter:





By comparison, here's the same film, shot with the same meter, through a Yashica Electro 35:



Also, the white spots: dirt, or a hole-y curtain?

Well, the quality of light after the sun has set is not all that good for color. And the spots are just dirt, probably introduced during the scanning process.


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Old 07-04-2019   #58
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Old 07-04-2019   #59
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Sorry for this necro-quote, but I've just got stuck at this picture.
Am I the only one considering the jump a bit too short?
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Few of my pictures with obvious (big white spot in the middle of frame) but what it seams to be random problem. It's not flare related I guess since some pictures were taken from shade and still received white spot.











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Few of my pictures with obvious (big white spot in the middle of frame) but what it seams to be random problem. It's not flare related I guess since some pictures were taken from shade and still received white spot.

These pictures show beautiful rendering.
Are the spots definitely on the negative or could it be a scanning problem? Is there anything on the lens? Look through it against a light source, preferably a flash light held so that you just so don't shine it in your eye through the lens.
Maybe the tiniest of holes in the shutter curtain could cause something like this? If it only happens with this lens, it's ruled out of course. If not, shooting part of a roll where you always keep a lens cap on between shots could help diagnose this.
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Old 07-24-2019   #62
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The lens kit should have such a curtain.

such a bunny is due to a continuous flare around the perimeter of the lens or the flange of the camera.
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These pictures show beautiful rendering.
Are the spots definitely on the negative or could it be a scanning problem? Is there anything on the lens? Look through it against a light source, preferably a flash light held so that you just so don't shine it in your eye through the lens.
Maybe the tiniest of holes in the shutter curtain could cause something like this? If it only happens with this lens, it's ruled out of course. If not, shooting part of a roll where you always keep a lens cap on between shots could help diagnose this.
Spots are on negative so scanner is eliminated. There was nothing on the lens when pictures were taken. I checked lens again, nothing inside (lens was CLA one month ago by me along with body used with lens -Fed 2). Curtains were checked when I was servicing camera and found out that the curtains are not capping properly as I wind on to the next frame. So I used cap between every shot.

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I have Industar 61 "Panda" version, and it didn't have (when I bought it) that metal curtain you were referring to. Maybe previous owner somehow remove it, but I doubt it since it was like new and never used neither cleaned.

Sorry for off topic, if u have some kind of solution please PM, so we don't spam great picture thread here
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Sorry for off topic, if u have some kind of solution please PM, so we don't spam great picture thread here
A small amount of text, I think, will not damage the branch.
I have seen such a shutter in all lenses, starting from Industar 26. Such glare, from experience, appears due to glare along the contour of the rear part of the lens or the flange of the camera. shine in the lens on the camera with a flashlight with a long shutter speed, as you have already been advised, you can see the cause of the flash.
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A small amount of text, I think, will not damage the branch.
I have seen such a shutter in all lenses, starting from Industar 26. Such glare, from experience, appears due to glare along the contour of the rear part of the lens or the flange of the camera. shine in the lens on the camera with a flashlight with a long shutter speed, as you have already been advised, you can see the cause of the flash.
Only thing I noticed when shinning through lens is that some kind of circle is forming (see picture below) in lens glass which may affect picture rendering and create white area in most of my pictures.

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...That said, what's up with these lenses (I mean, Russian RF lenses in general)? Something I've noticed with nearly all the color shots I see from them is that they render color very...flat? All the shots I see look like they're 50 years old.
I read and seen comparison of the color casts based on the coating used. Older lenses has a violet-blueish coating and show warm color cast that looks like 50y old photo. The color neutral coating comes later around 1962 onwards and has sort of yellow color. If you have “red P” lens then you would have color shifting coating as “red P” was before the color neutral coating.
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Only thing I noticed when shinning through lens is that some kind of circle is forming (see picture below) in lens glass which may affect picture rendering and create white area in most of my pictures.
I think You've found the reason. No wonder many manual lenses Nikon has such internal dampers. I'm sure You can do this with your own hands or scissors from a beer can, in any way darkening or painting its surface.
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