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First look preview of X100 at dpreview.com
Old 01-25-2011   #1
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First look preview of X100 at dpreview.com

Dpreview.com have just posted a short hands on preview of the X100 with a pre-production prototype version of the camera which can be found here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fujifilmx100/ . Haven't started reading it myself, so no idea what their opinions are yet, but I am sure people will be interested to read a reputable source give this camera a look, even if it isn't final production hardware or software.

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dpreview are all over it like a cheap suit!

Still nothing we didn't already know though ... where's the images?
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When they say they can't say anything at all about IQ, does that mean they're not allowed to, or that the camera doesn't actually produce images yet?
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When they say they can't say anything at all about IQ, does that mean they're not allowed to, or that the camera doesn't actually produce images yet?

It seems ludicrous to me to review/preview a new camera without discussing ... or being able to discuss IQ. What's the purpose of a ****ing camera if it isn't to produce images.

It was just a sponsored fondle ... more hype!
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http://www.akam.no/artikler/fujifilm_x100/80789/1

I don't know if this site is legit but on the second page of their preview they have images posted!
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They are using pretty heavy noise reduction on those high ISO jpegs. Softens the images a lot. RAW files will tell the tale.
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Old 01-25-2011   #8
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The Nikon they are comparing it too keeps the noise reduction low. More noise, but sharper images.

I guess there ain't no free lunch, though.
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Old 01-25-2011   #9
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Whatever images you find online is produced by work-in-progress preview cameras using work-in-progress preview firmware.

I know we all want to jump to conclusions but for definitive statements about image quality it's just too early.
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One area Fuji have definitely been cloudy on is the sensor, which some people suggested was an old D90 sensor (and not a new D7000 aka new Sony sensor) due to the 12 mp, though Fuji have said they designed it themselves we don't know if they designed a tweak from the stock sensor or what.

If it were an old D90 sensor I'd expect it to perfect less well than the D7000, but it seems to be doing pretty well by comparison.

Albeit it with it's pre-production 'can't really tell for sure' images.
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Old 01-25-2011   #11
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There should be written a BIG review from all deep posts and conversations about X100 from this forum over several last months
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The Nikon they are comparing it too keeps the noise reduction low. More noise, but sharper images.

I guess there ain't no free lunch, though.
I disagree. In their samples, the x100 has better detail and less noise than the d7000 comparisons. Looks like an excellent noise suppression job for jpeg. I'll bet the jpegs were taken with minimum sharpening too...

Those samples look really fantastic. Top of the aps-c heap IMO.
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Also, I just noticed the camera comparison here - check out how the x100 is really similar to the GF1 - what I would call a compact camera.

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Did the article say what lens they were using on the D7000?
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Did the article say what lens they were using on the D7000?
Don't think so, but if you look comparatively between base iso and high iso I think the x100 is doing a better job.

If you're thinking the lens on the x100 is better I'd say you're right about that too...
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Yeah, having read it I agree - nothing very much new in the preview. The couple of things I was pleased to hear were their positive opinions on the viewfinder (brightness, size etc) and the overall build quality. I know that other sites have made similar comments before, but a lot of those were more consumer electronics type sites like engadget and so I am willing to attach a bit more weight to them coming from dpreview. Still very curious about image quality like everyone else, but I am happy to wait until there are final (or very close to final) production versions available.

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If it were an old D90 sensor I'd expect it to perfect less well than the D7000, but it seems to be doing pretty well by comparison.
If the sample images on the foreign link posted are indicative of it's normal quality, I'd say this is no d90 sensor, or at least if it is it's been tweaked and massaged into something new for this camera.
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I'm still saying I gotta throw this in the pile of irresponsible purchases I'll make this year. I've been waiting YEARS for an affordable compact I'd actually enjoy using. The EP-1, GF-1 and NEX's are so sad compared to this. Why has it taken so long to design this camera! ($7,000 dollar status pieces aside). I don't even think it's 'retro' as much as it is 'good design.'

This is going to be perfect for traveling when I don't wanna take the 5Diesel II. And that's saying something since I've already forgone Canon lenses for the pancake's from Voigtlander.

I'm thrilled.

Now just waiting for Olympus to make a digital Stylus Epic (full frame of course!)
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Nice to see a detailed preview, even if without images yet. The lack of a hard iso button concerns me though, and I hope Fuji doesn't drop the ball in this regard.
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Nice to see a detailed preview, even if without images yet. The lack of a hard iso button concerns me though, and I hope Fuji doesn't drop the ball in this regard.
There is a function button near the shutter. Probably programable. Or if it's anything like the Nikon P7000, it won't do anything at all. I however think Fuji will probably allow it to do something, unlike Nikon.

One other thing I noticed when looking at the larger picture of the rear of the camera, was that the control dial was one of those damn click left click right types, as opposed to a spinning dial. This initially annoyed me but then I remembered...oh wait...if I want to change the shutter speed or aperture I just...TURN THE APERTURE OR SHUTTER RING. Amazing!

I'm still stoked.
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Nice to see a detailed preview, even if without images yet. The lack of a hard iso button concerns me though, and I hope Fuji doesn't drop the ball in this regard.
Function button on top plate defaults to iso adjustment.
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Function button on top plate defaults to iso adjustment.
Yes, figured it would. Keen to try one in my hand, and see how everything works together.
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http://www.akam.no/artikler/fujifilm_x100/80789/1

I don't know if this site is legit but on the second page of their preview they have images posted!
The 3200 looks completely useable imo. Very excited.
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http://www.akam.no/artikler/fujifilm_x100/80789/1

I don't know if this site is legit but on the second page of their preview they have images posted!
Yes, Akam is a legit site here in Norway.
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I hate to contribute to the hysteria but... Geez, it is getting closer to perfect than any digital camera yet.

I just want to time it so I am not buying the first Beta-tester versions but not waiting until September to actually get one either... I suspect the demand will outstrip production for half its life cycle.

How the other manufacturers could have ignored this market segment for so long is baffling, isn't it?

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Here's the samples
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Here's the samples

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dpreview are all over it like a cheap suit!

Still nothing we didn't already know though ... where's the images?

Here:

http://www.akam.no/artikler/fujifilm_x100/80789/2
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I saw those when someone posted the link earlier and they look very good. I'm still surpised that dpreview have nothing image wise to go with their review though! It makes their effort nothing more than leaflet talk IMO.
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Yeh, but if the X100 is this good, just think how great the X200 will be!
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Those high-ISO crops look superb. And I am absolutely delighted that DPReview likes the handling. I believe they say it's only trumped by the M9? Astounding.
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I'm glad Fuji stopped the whole viral internet marketing nonsense and now we're getting concrete info from reputable sources. The dpreview article answered every question i had about X100, its as if the person who wrote the preview was reading our threads here.
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Where are all the haters? From what I can see, I'd have no issue using this up to 12800 in raw...but I'm not that picky and I don't mind noise...

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Yes, and the GF1/20mm fits in my jacket pocket nicely, even with the EVF!
One thing I hate about most comparison images, is they only show from the front. There are a few out there that show from the top, which is what really makes a camera pocketable or not. The Canon s90 isn't that much smaller from the front than the X1 or Nex, but from the top it's positively miniscule.

http://www.bmupix.com/storage/thumbn...=1284987960525 this one is good, shows the sensor sizes too.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/...caf15e35_z.jpg X1 and x100 overlayed from top

http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-...comparison.jpg Thinnest from front to back of everything but the X1, and it by just barely.
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Where are all the haters? From what I can see, I'd have no issue using this up to 12800 in raw...but I'm not that picky and I don't mind noise...
Same here (don't mind noise). I'd love to see a raw file at 6400 (last non-pushed iso).
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The biggest problem is going to be finding landfill space for all the old digital cameras....
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The lens on the X100 looks tiny, similar to the pancake 20/1.7. Pretty close in size to the 14/2.5, and that's sorta' an oversized lens cap.
'Nice to finally see some images from the camera.
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Does the camera tech, the parts, actually change throughout their life cycle?

As in response to being an early adopter and being a beta tester of the camera, do you mean more the firmwire issues which are ironed out by updates.

Or do you mean that the first models out might be different gear wise?
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Does the camera tech, the parts, actually change throughout their life cycle?

As in response to being an early adopter and being a beta tester of the camera, do you mean more the firmwire issues which are ironed out by updates.

Or do you mean that the first models out might be different gear wise?
I can't remember the last camera where parts have changed in the life of the product. The M8 - 8.2 is the closest I can think of.

The scroll wheel the norwegian site mentions being vestigial and loose, I hope/assume they will replace it with a nicer more durable part, and I assume it will control whatever you click the Fn button to control (iso or what have you)

As nice as it is to see the images from the norwegian one, I can see why Fuji wouldn't want more hands on stuff yet if there are still this many hardware aspects to figure out.

If they don't have actual parts finalized, they will in all likelihood delay launch. It's highly unlikely and practically unprecedented that they will release it, then round 2 off production line has firmer dial parts or a metal battery door.
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Where are all the haters?
Making pre-orders... haha
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Who else thinks this is just *delicious* looking bokeh?

The back right tree in particular is just creamy smooth.
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The bokeh just looks regular to me...
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