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View Poll Results: If you never post images here at RFF ... why not?
I’m only here for the information/social aspects of RFF. 27 8.94%
I don’t actually take photos … I just like cameras. 13 4.30%
I’m not confident enough in my own work to be able to post images here. (I’m a little shy!) 19 6.29%
I post my images elsewhere … flickr/photobucket/blog etc. 79 26.16%
I can’t get my head around the process of posting in threads or in the gallery. 70 23.18%
'I am a regular image poster here ... gallery and or threads.' 94 31.13%
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Old 04-13-2012   #81
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Can't be bothered with the limitations on the image before I am allowed to post.

I like Flickr and Facebook for their ease of posting images and link them into threads here. It would be nice to be more active in the weekly picks thread and crowd, but I've given up on that due to the limiting nature of the upload process here.

The images I post elsewhere often are 800px at the long end and quality settings make them usually 250 to 300KB each. That's too big for here and since there's no automated downsize script running with the upload I have to resize them myself which makes posting here a hassle and me an irritated man. And I refuse to lose my good spirit over matters like that so I've taken my stuff elsewhere.

So here I mainly talk camera, modus operandi, Howto... and DIY... stuff. IMHO this has always been mostly a gear forum, there's little emphasis on philosophy, composition, exhibitions, books, etc anyway. I'm posting images to the Leica User Group on FB, where there is little gear talk and many pictures
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There's some wonderful people in the gallery ... Tony (Leica M2 fan) comes to mind. His comments are sprinkled very liberally and they are always friendly and encouraging. He's an excellent example for all of us IMO!

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Old 04-13-2012   #83
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Since I don't use rangefinders I will only post photos to threads that don't specify camera type. I think the gallery should only be used for rf photos out of respect for the people that are here because they actually use rf's.

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There's some wonderful people in the gallery ... Tony (Leica M2 fan) comes to mind. His comments are sprinkled very liberally and they are always friendly and encouraging. He's an excellent example for all of us IMO!
Paul (paulfish4570) deserves to be mentioned as well. He always has something kind to say!
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I post img in threads, never done in the galleries.
I don't look at them, so I don't add my shots.
RFF is not the only forum I frequent, so there would be too much confusion for me.

I already post them on my own blog and gallery.

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rangefinderism is an ethos, an aesthetic. stefanjozef, for example, does not use a rangefinder, but the photos he posts here are indubitably of the rangefinder aesthetic. i am using an om-1 almost constantly for my film work because my r2m is lensless at the moment. other than getting a bit closer for my "intimate detail" photos, there is no difference in what and how i shoot. no one has complained about my kit. and anyhow, you do not have to tell what your kit is in the gallery info boxes.
for me, it is worth the hassle to compress images for the gallery. no more than 5-15 a week in any case. shoot! post!
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Old 04-13-2012   #87
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Paul (paulfish4570) deserves to be mentioned as well. He always has something kind to say!

Very true ... I forgot about Paul.

And he posts plenty of excellent material! Speaking of ... there he is! ^^^^^^
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I'm a little concerned that the leading poll choice so far is inability to post images due to confusion or technical reasons.

I've never thought it so ... but obviously if you look at the results here many do!

Can it be made simpler?
yes, this is what i wonder many times. other forums have a 'drag and drop' feature which is very easy. but many including me also find that the sizing requirement also seems not to work for some. i really enjoy this forum, and it would be great if this could be addressed in some public way, either with a 'primer' or even taking a look at why so many have this/these problems.
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I post some, but it is very cumbersome and limited. I prefer to post on flickr, and link to them from here.
There are various tag, set and group features which make it easier to categorize my photos on Flickr
Also I like the wider audience available to browse and comment.
RFF is a great resource, I like the pic of the week threads and the quality of the images posted is wonderful.
It seems like most people enjoy sharing photos and getting feedback, RFF's user base is too limited to me to post only or mainly here
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Old 04-13-2012   #91
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There are a lot of members here who are very active within the forum that I never see images from ... in threads or in the gallery.

No doubt there are those who value the technical information about cameras available here and those who just like to look at others photos ... and possibly many who don't have the confidence to show their own work.

I'm curious?
My problem is that my Rangefinder work is all on Film, and I've just started a process to scan all my film with a good photo scanner, rather than rely on mini-lab CDs. So for me, it's the inconvenience I'd have to go through to post all my images from RFs right away.

Also, I traditionally do the Flickr thing, which is where all my digital work I want to share ends up. All the "Film" images on Flickr are from CDs or the one or two good scanning sessions I've gotten in already.

Rest assured, however, that as soon as I figure out what I'm doing, that box of film will be scanned and you will all have ample opportunity to either bask in my talent and brilliance, or laugh at my hubris.
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I tried to post in a thread a few times, but couldn't figure it out. Then when I see the work of others on here (WOW), then I think I should take a few years and work on my art before trying to post here!
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Yes I often use SLR's but I also use a Contax G1 and I've recently bought a Fuji GF 670W , and I have a Konica Auto S2 which I keep meaning to get back on the street. I love using rangefinders but some of my best shots in my opinion are with my old Canon A1 and FD lenses. I like to swap about, cameras and film.
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I would post to threads but I'm not sure where to. I have difficulties in finding categories to add my photos. Also I'm a little awkward in starting a new thread for only a picture or two. RFF gallery I thought was useless (though I've never tried it), but many here have said that it's actually good and people seem to be interested in them. Maybe I should add pictures there...

I've only added photos to Flickr but I don't like that every photo in Flickr is either "Awesome!" or "Nice catch!". I'd like to have some real comments on my photos.
+1, this sums up my sentiments completely. I post on Flickr, but I guess I'm "shy" according to the poll and don't want to spam people...
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Old 04-13-2012   #95
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I post images here, mostly to illustrate what particular lenses or cameras do as opposed to showing off personal best shots. RFF has many strengths, and I spend at least some time each day here, but as a forum for storing images it is very limited (limited size, resolution, etc.). This is a description, not a complaint. I can see why Stephen would not want to pay to maintain a server farm a-la-flickr. But there are viable ways to link to images elsewhere, so the point is moot.
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thumbnails = :-((

i haven't posted recently, but if i remember correctly, my posted images appear as thumbnails because i don't have a flickr or other outside account. when clicked, they are still quite small and, IMHO, have a difficult time competing with larger images in the same thread.

as a consequence, if i post something i think fits a thread or might be of interest, i'll probably do so on another forum.

to end on a positive note, i do like the classifieds here much more than on the 'other' mostly rangefinder forum.

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Old 04-13-2012   #97
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Maybe I fall into the 'I'm not a very good photographer and I don't want to constantly subject everyone to pictures of my kids like I do on Facebook' category that Bob338 wants to include! Sorry Bob.

I post to the gallery without any problem using Picasa as the tool to compress the images easily. If you select the 'export to folder' option in Picasa you get some options which easily allow compressing to the size used by RFF. Then in the RFF Gallery you select to upload from your PC and select this exported image folder and file. No URLs or links to images necessary.

I think in the 11 months I've been posting to the RFF gallery I've learned more about how to take pictures than in any time before. I really value the comments. I also really appreciate and enjoy the Gallery Picks thread on Mondays. The sense of reward when my images are chosen for this is really something. I try to add my picks as often as work/life permit as I think the photographers who are uploading to the gallery here are offering up some excellent work.

Flikr? I can't get my head around it. I've got an account. Uploaded some pics. No one seems to view them ever. No one comments. Can't be bothered.

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You forgot the 'I'm not a very good photographer and I don't want to constantly subject everyone to pictures of my kids like I do on Facebook' option.
I am guilty here! I subject people to photos of my kids.
Not many people like such photos, but my family comes first and this is the way it is going to stay. I think that there is room to post about anything at all, and then let the viewers decide what type of images to look at.
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I do not have a film scanner and find it hard to actually get scans.

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Raid, I think many of us would not feel subjugated ... you'r's are nuch more than snapshots
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I only do analog photography. The few images I had posted was asking friends to not only scan, but also post them for me.

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I have posted to Flikr but am unhappy about the photos general availability to the world in general. So I've tended now to post to the Gallery, although sometimes I wonder why. What I want and need is positive criticism of the photos I post: how others see them, what I might have missed, what I might have done to get a better picture, what might I do another time. I very rarely get this. Perhaps this isn't the purpose of the Gallery! If it isn't, what is its purpose? Other posters obviously have the same problem because I can see little reason for a large number of the photos uploaded. I don't want to stop this process but if a picture fails to receive any comment, within say two weeks, perhaps it should be removed automatically to free-up space.

Perhaps I should start a thread with two or three associated photographs and ask for criticism that way but I feel that is a very heavy-handed way of doing things - I know others do though.

I look at the Gallery photos on a very regular basis.
For me some photos always stand out with their thumb-nails.
I try then to add some acknowledgement to the photographer.
It might be that I wish I had taken the shot.
It might be that I 'see' something the taker has seen in colour, tone, or form.
It might be that I see something in the photo that makes me want to get out my camera and have a go at that subject.
It might be that I feel, and this is personal, that I want to crop their photo to concentrate the eye on what I see as the key elements. I'll make that observation though as a suggestion to preserve the integrity of the photographer.

I know RFF is not perfect and cannot satisfy everybody and RFF has to evolve or it will die on its feet. The Gallery is, to me, and for me, a gallery for photographs however taken. It provides space to display for discussion and positive criticism so let's use it for that. The uploading size of a picture is not an issue, uploading it might be.

Resizing of photos for Gallery is not a problem. If I in my impending dotage can do it, so can everybody else. But there does need to be a 'How to Post' tab and instructions inserted into the top strip menu at the top of the RFF page.
A section that is constantly reviewed and updated.
How about it?

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I have posted to Flikr but am unhappy about the photos general availability to the world in general. So I've tended now to post to the Gallery, although sometimes I wonder why. What I want and need is positive criticism of the photos I post: how others see them, what I might have missed, what I might have done to get a better picture, what might I do another time. I very rarely get this. Perhaps this isn't the purpose of the Gallery! If it isn't, what is its purpose? Other posters obviously have the same problem because I can see little reason for a large number of the photos uploaded. I don't want to stop this process but if a picture fails to receive any comment, within say two weeks, perhaps it should be removed automatically to free-up space.

Perhaps I should start a thread with two or three associated photographs and ask for criticism that way but I feel that is a very heavy-handed way of doing things - I know others do though.

I look at the Gallery photos on a very regular basis.
For me some photos always stand out with their thumb-nails.
I try then to add some acknowledgement to the photographer.
It might be that I wish I had taken the shot.
It might be that I 'see' something the taker has seen in colour, tone, or form.
It might be that I see something in the photo that makes me want to get out my camera and have a go at that subject.
It might be that I feel, and this is personal, that I want to crop their photo to concentrate the eye on what I see as the key elements. I'll make that observation though as a suggestion to preserve the integrity of the photographer.

I know RFF is not perfect and cannot satisfy everybody and RFF has to evolve or it will die on its feet. The Gallery is, to me, and for me, a gallery for photographs however taken. It provides space to display for discussion and positive criticism so let's use it for that. The uploading size of a picture is not an issue, uploading it might be.

Resizing of photos for Gallery is not a problem. If I in my impending dotage can do it, so can everybody else. But there does need to be a 'How to Post' tab and instructions inserted into the top strip menu at the top of the RFF page.
A section that is constantly reviewed and updated.
How about it?

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Perhaps those who seek it could start adding 'Critique Welcome' into the description area of their gallery posts....kind of like a green light, to show other members that they welcome criticism and not just compliments?

I receive my fair share of compliments, but there are only a few here that critique my pics. I welcome criticism, it helps me to improve.
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I shoot only film with my M4-P and Zeiss lenses. Scanning images is too expensive and I don't have a film scanner at home.

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I don't much care for the gallery here. The thumbs are small, you can't see them all at once if you want to cruise a member's work quickly, and the interface seems slow and clumsy.

So I put everything on Flickr.
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About 95% of my posts to RFF are images in the W/NW threads. it feels good to be a part of a 'thematic community', seeing the various takes on a subject. I don't use the Gallery - Flickr is where I maintain a pretty unorganized jumble of pics.

I keep meaning to organize it better, to post more verbal posts here, to get my Lightroom library in better order, etc., etc. . .
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I used to post a lot to Pbase before Flickr really ramped up but now the RFF gallery is the main place I post my stuff - unlike other sites that become a bit of a "you scratch my back" exercise RFF is a pretty tough crowd in terms of getting comments on images so positive feedback on shots posted here means something I think. My guilt is about not doing more commenting on other peoples' images - must do better!

If I'm posting to threads I generally post the shot to Flickr and paste it from there to get round the 200k size restriction, which is a challenge as other people have said.
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flickr is for me the right option some years now, and it is easy to paste photo´s from flickr into the threads here
in the past I started with Pbase, but that wasn't particulary practical, and I find it easier to share flickr images with others outside RFF, that's why I don't use the gallery here anymore, which has an outdated workaround and is not flexible enough.
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I'd love to post to the gallery, but since the size limit is from the '90s I'd have to re-size my images first and I just don't find it worth the bother.
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Every photo I have posted has never gotten a response. Oh, one photo comment, "Clean your lens!"
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Every photo I have posted has never gotten a response. Oh, one photo comment, "Clean your lens!"

I thought that by clicking on your name I would be taken to your gallery to read that funny comment, but nothing happened.

The gallery needs to be easier to use.
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I started posting some pictures to the gallery recently. I don't consider it a storage repository. It is not always easy to know which are your good photographs and which are definitely not. The comments offered are insightful. The motivation to use the Gallery was clearly the wonderful weekly Gallery Picks thread. I don't think there could be a more concentrated sampling of truly great photogrpahy anywhere on the net. Looking at those pictures and considering the choices made by mostly the photogrpahers who regularly contribute is a marvellous photographic lesson. While possibly a little past my first 10,000 worst of my own photographs, looking at good photos is to me the next best thing in learning to see better and improve the pictures I take. Finally, my postings to the Gallery were a blatant attempt to see whether anything I did might get a comment and maybe, one day, be included in the weekly Gallery Picks. To my delight and astonishment I have more than once been included. This is without doubt my greatest achievement in photography so far. Hopefully it leads to me making more improvements in my photography.
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The gallery size limits are a minor challenge. The avatar can only be 10k and that didn't prove impossible. The limit on the number of images that can be posted to the Gallery is a good thing and the size limits do mean a custom export from your software, but that is all geared to tempering your posting enthusiasm.

Like others, for threads I post from Flickr where I routinely size at 1000 or 900 pixels width. I go to the share drop-down, select all and copy the BBEdit text for the large size and simply paste that straight into the post quick reply pane here.
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I've started posting pictures to the words/nowords subforum. I enjoy seeing the various interpretations of topics and putting my spin on them.

I post a full gallery of pictures on my personal web page, and that is shown in my "signature". I don't solicit comments, but my email address is on my gallery front page, so I get only serious comments (not "wow cool" or "that really s$%ks, dude")

Beware of opening that "honest criticism" door for posted pictures here. I have seen that idea tear a very good photo forum to shreds.
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I know why I never comment on anyone's photos. I have no idea what they were trying to accomplish or what message they were attempting to convey. Therefore I have no idea how successful they were at meeting their objectives.

There is a big difference in creating a historical family record of little Debbie's 8th birthday party and showing the impact of the current economic situation on a young family member's special day. A photo can be a great success at one while a failure at the other.
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I'm fairly new to posting here, though not new to following threads of discussion--and I taught in the university long enough to know that not all who are silent in class are merely lurking or malingering. Still waters run deep is proverbial for good reasons. Uncle Walt (Whitman) has further observations in "I have heard what the talkers are talking...." http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/W/Wh...haveheardw.htm

Like some other commenters, I've found it appropriate to contribute images to W/NW in the spirit of this or that theme. I don't feel practiced enough in this skilled, articulate, well-established community to add another voice to the mix yet. This may change. As far as I'm concerned, I'm paying respectful attention to community elders.

As for the gallery, I am in/decision about how/where to display work I want to share, and having dribs and drabs on Flickr and Tumblr and Wordpress and RFF is no solution. In prepping for an upcoming (first, solo) exhibit this summer, I expect I will migrate the work that matters to a single website, and link it to my sig file here.

Good stuff in this thread, and I support the setting up of a sticky, at least, that takes RFF image-posters clearly through the steps so that members who would like to share are not inadvertently defeated.
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Old 04-13-2012   #117
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RFF is a wonderful resource. I have learned a lot by visiting here regularly... and I'm still learning.

RFF is free. Stephen does all of us a huge favor by sponsoring this community. I'm sure he spends a great deal of time and some of his hard-earned money so we can enjoy RFF. I know I'm grateful for his efforts and investment.

It seems to me the forum's platform is not designed nor intended to be an image centric tool. I say this because as others have noted, using the RFF gallery is sort of like traveling back in time to the mid-1990s. This situation has not changed for years and I don't see any reason for it to change now. I don't think it's Stephen's responsibility to provide an easy to use gallery. I don't think it's in his or any of his sponsers' interest. I think those who participate in the gallery find the experience rewarding. But I don't think lack of gallery participation means anything or says anything about people who don't use the resource. I think it just says something about the resource itself.

Charging the subject radically...

Flickr discusses posting content elsewhere:

Do link back to Flickr when you post your Flickr content elsewhere.
Flickr makes it possible to post content hosted on Flickr to other web sites. However, pages on other web sites that display content hosted on flickr.com must provide a link from each photo or video back to its page on Flickr. This provides a way to get more information about the content and the photographer


Does displaying Flickr content with the tools we have here comply with this request? I honestly don't know.
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I have been around awhile but don't really post that much. One reason I don't post much is I'm not into shooting street stuff or old buildings. With nearly 190 film cameras in my collection , and just started dev. my own about 8 months ago Most of what I post in of things I don't really like shooting and most are of mechanical objects or lawn mowers. Most all of these are test rolls for my cameras. I have made post with pics to share get a lot of looks and sometimes no replies. We all like replies or criticism at least I do be it good or bad . I got the Macro forum started on Fred Miranda .com and have moderated there for 9 years . So as you probable guess Macro is my thing, as well as wildlife, be it captive or wild . I would post more images Like the ones below if I really thought people were interested . I'm more of a big glass shooter.

Here are a few links to things I put together to make new photogs think about what they are doing.

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/Tips/to...mposition.html

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/Tips/to...otographs.html

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/Tips/tomhicksmacros.html
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few more for interested parties
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Some more and my last for this post. all shots are film except the last two. I really learned a lot and enjoy this site and have made a few friends along the way . Been there done that in digital but not film, but I'm working on it .
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