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Old 04-13-2018   #1
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Which Sony for frustrated M9 User?

So my M9 is going back again for sensor issues and I'm seriously considering a full frame Sony to augment or replace it at least for travel.

However their product line is pretty confusing and I'm not really sure what I want/need.

I probably would use it with a few Zeiss lenses 35 (Sonnar or Loxia), the 55 that everyone raves about, and perhaps even (shudder) a zoom. While traveling I'm thinking a zoom would be nice if it's not too much of a sacrifice in image quality. Probably a short zoom that isn't super fast to keep weight down.

I might end up adapting my Leica lenses a 35mm Summicron and 50mm Summicron and a 135, but I'd probably rather take advantage of the newer lenses in similar focal lengths.

Know the system isn't remotely M like in use but at this point, I'm really more concerned with image quality and not coming back from a trip to discover lines on all my photos.

So it looks like my choices would be:

A7II - pretty cheap, 24megapixels
A7RII- reasonable, 42 megapixels
A7RIII- on the expensive side, 42 megaixels

I will never use the video function so anything related to that is of no interest to me.

Really I'd like a Hassleblad X1D but that's not in the cards, although megapixel wise the A7r's are close. Not sure if that really translates to that medium format quality though.

It seems like the non-R's are lighter which is attractive.

Thinking I'd probably use these in a more automatic mode, aperture priority and let them do everything else, rather than try to emulate the way I use my M9 and be frustrated.

What do knowing Sony users recommend?
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I tend to look at digital cameras as a computer on which to attach a lens. As such my inclination is to by the latest iteration and hold onto it for a long time. That being said have a look at the A7111 which seems like it should be more than adequate to do the job.
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I have the A7s and the A7r2 , I use my M lenses , Zeiss lenses and even my Canon tele on both.
I refer the smaller A7s .
Lighter ,slimmer and although only 12mp , lovely files .
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As an A7 II user I have a few comments to make:

50mm and above M lenses generally work fine on the Sony A7 series cameras if you dont expect absolutely perfect corner sharpness.

The 35 summicron however looks really bad to unusable in the corners.

So at least at wide angle focal length you will want to use a sony/Zeiss lens.

If you can afford it, the series III improvements should bei well worth it. Otherwise A7 II's are cheap right now.

Take your time to setup your camera and and the menu should not be bothering you to much. Good luck!
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They all have excellent IQ, just a matter of price vs resolution and speed. I use an A7-II, only use with adapted lenses, have no use for the speed of the A7-III or the resolution of the RII, 24mp is plenty.
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Original A7 with lenses:


One kit to rule them all
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ºSony A7
ºTamron Adaptall 17mm 3.5 (type 51B)
ºCanon TS 35mm 2.8 S.S.C.
ºCanon FD 50mm 1.2L
ºCanon FD 85mm 1.2L
ºCanon FD 135mm 2.0

And I use the same camera with a Canon FD 50mm 3.5 macro lens on FD bellows to shoot my Leica II B&W negatives.
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Former M8 and M9 owner here - I haven't handled it yet, but I'd consider the A7 III because it uses the new higher-capacity battery, but there really are no bad choices with the A7- and A9-series cameras I think. Newer cameras are almost freakishly quick and quiet.But do yourself a favor and buy a 3rd party battery charger (I use Watson as sold by B&H Photo), because Sony only gives you a USB cable.
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That's a nice kit Johan.
I use an A7ii with mostly Nikon manual focus glass, but I do have adapters for Minolta and Leica too.
I enjoy the IBIS a lot as I can shoot in very dark conditions without worry of camera shake.
Take a look at this site: https://www.talkemount.com/
to see what other Sony users are doing.

I have a Sony battery charger and don't charge 'in camera' ever.
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let me preface by saying i'm not a pixel peeper. as long as the corners aren't mush, i don't mind a little softness.

i picked up an original A7 a few weeks ago. have been using it with various M-mount lenses from 35mm to 135mm. no issues at all, really like the way the files convert to B&W.

the original A7 is a bargain ($800 new). if you have small to medium size hands, it'll be great. if you have big mitts, you may want to consider the A7II.

also, invest in a quality adapter. i use the Novoflex M to FE. they run about $200, but the quality is top notch. no need to worry about wobble, light-leaks, etc.
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Former M8 and M9 owner here - I haven't handled it yet, but I'd consider the A7 III because it uses the new higher-capacity battery, but there really are no bad choices with the A7- and A9-series cameras I think. Newer cameras are almost freakishly quick and quiet.But do yourself a favor and buy a 3rd party battery charger (I use Watson as sold by B&H Photo), because Sony only gives you a USB cable.
this 3rd party adapter has been working like an absolute charm:

RavPower Adapter on Amazon

just use the AC adapter included with the camera to plug the adapter into the wall. No more USB charging!
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I have a Sony battery charger and don't charge 'in camera' ever.
are you saying it is a bad idea to charge in camera?
i love this feature and use it all the time, especially when travelling.

A7RIII has one of the nicest EVF, behind only from the Leica SL and ahead of the Fuji X-T2.
Have you considered the A7III?

Had the A7RII and while great, I downgraded back to the original A7 as didn't need any of the new features that newer Sony cameras provided.
IS would be handy but I can live without it.
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I'm guess I'm not all the clear on the distinctions between the A7 series and the A7R (or S for that matter). More than just number of pixels?

As far as the 24 vs 42 mp sensor, is the look of the image any different or is it just more pixels in same size sensor?

Guess my question is, I do like the medium format look (have a Mamiya 7 and had a 6 before) and actually really like what I've seen from the sensor in the Hassleblad X1D and Pentax 645z. Does the higher MP sensor approach that look or is it just the same as the lower MP sensor with more freedom to print bigger?

More a subjective question than technical.
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are you saying it is a bad idea to charge in camera?
i love this feature and use it all the time, especially when travelling.

A7RIII has one of the nicest EVF, behind only from the Leica SL and ahead of the Fuji X-T2.
Have you considered the A7III?
I have read too many stories about batteries having problems while charging in-camera to risk it. Why take the chance of the battery swelling or having some other problem while charging? If it's out of the camera only the battery suffers and possibly the charger too. At least it isn't going to take out the camera too.

I would love to be able to consider the A7iii, but since I'm now retired and on a limited income I'll just have to put up with the A7ii for now. It, along with my Nex-7, keeps me satisfied.
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I'm guess I'm not all the clear on the distinctions between the A7 series and the A7R (or S for that matter). More than just number of pixels?

As far as the 24 vs 42 mp sensor, is the look of the image any different or is it just more pixels in same size sensor?

Guess my question is, I do like the medium format look (have a Mamiya 7 and had a 6 before) and actually really like what I've seen from the sensor in the Hassleblad X1D and Pentax 645z. Does the higher MP sensor approach that look or is it just the same as the lower MP sensor with more freedom to print bigger?

More a subjective question than technical.
I'd suggest you look at the talkemount site I linked to above to see what the guys there are getting out of their A7Rii's.
I'd like one, I think, but my computer doesn't need to be taxed with the file sizes involved. I'm basically a SOOC type shooter, if that helps any.
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let me preface by saying i'm not a pixel peeper. as long as the corners aren't mush, i don't mind a little softness.

i picked up an original A7 a few weeks ago. have been using it with various M-mount lenses from 35mm to 135mm. no issues at all, really like the way the files convert to B&W.
I use mine with a 28 Summicron up to a 135 Elmarit and beyond ..... I must admit that I haven`t noticed anything untoward.
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I had the A7 body and used it with Leica R and some M lenses. When I got the Leica M-P typ 240, I found that the image quality with the same (Leica) lenses was just much much better in every way. I sold the A7.

I suppose that if you buy the premium Sony lenses the A7 would work better, and that later iterations of the A7 might also mete an improvement. But I disliked the A7 body enough that I really had no interest in seeing whether any of the later models actually improved on it.

The M-P typ 240 and M-D typ 262 work beautifully for me, far better than the M9 or A7 did, and have been 100% reliable and flawless. Same for the Leica SL.

I'd like a Hasselblad X1D also, but if I bought one of those it would replace both the Ms and the SL at this point in time. And I'm not sure I'm ready to make that big a leap. Yet.

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David Burnett recently ditched his Canon DSLR gear (after shooting the brand for over 3 decades) for Sony A7Riii's.

https://www.facebook.com/dave.burnet...56224536763904

And he's using Canon FD glass on them.
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I have a friend with the II and the III and she finds the menu baffling, the lenses heavy and the image quality superb. Name your poison.
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I have a friend with the II and the III and she finds the menu baffling, the lenses heavy and the image quality superb. Name your poison.


No menu here, which is indeed very counter-intuitive. I have shutter speed, ISO, focus zoom programmed to buttons and wheels, and the aperture is on the lens with Canon FD glass. Only use the menu to format the card, or when I need something really specific, which rarely happens.
And I never bothered to buy an AF lens for the thing. I am a slow shooter and don't need no auto-anything. Bit like when I would shoot an M9 really
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I wouldn't get the original A7 series as they suffer from sensor reflections and very weak mounts.
I like the idea of the A7II as for this usage it has plenty of MP, but one huge advantage that the A7Rii has over it is a much better EVF.
I wouldn't bother with the latest gen A7 III cameras unless your primary use is to get AF Sony lenses. If you just want to use your M glass, the 2nd gen is enough.

But... even the 3rd gen A7s will have issues with M glass as the issues stem from the sensor cover thickness, not software or other hardware. And that hasn't changed. Study up to see which M lenses work well. I have heard the 35 cron doesn't, 50 and above are good. etc.
Thing is, with an A7 you can get 'cheap' old SLR lenses and those work perfectly.

I'm tempted to get a used A7II just for my Minolta Rokkor glass . I have an MD-Leica M adapter, but the Leica EVF experience is a bit lacking (M240).
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For testing the waters, I think a used A7RII would give a very good sense of what Sony can do and could be resold for about what you paid should it turn out not to be for you. If I were sure about moving to Sony and didn't need 42 mp, the A7III would be the obvious choice.

The experience of using a Sony mirrorless with manual lenses will not compare with what you are used to with the M9. I think it is least painful to just move directly to native AF lenses if going the Sony route.

When you get your freshly-repaired M9 back from Leica, you could sell it and have most of the cost of a used M240, or even be well on the way to a used M262. These have older sensor technology than even the A7II, but are much more satisfying platforms for shooting M glass. The M262 weighs the same an M9 and offers a much-improved shooting experience.
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Over 10K shots on original A7 and no sensor reflections. The e-mount is easily replaced with a metal Tough E-mount but I never saw the need, no play on mine.

I did however experience weird glare in the viewfinder with Minolta MC 58mm 1.2 and 85mm 1.7 MD Rokkor lenses, might be the specific coating producing sort of a digital noise in the EVF?

I had picked those lenses up cheap and meant to keep them while the Canon 50mm 1.2L was away for repair, to be sold after. But due to this glare I sold the Rokkors and got a used 85mm 1.2L instead.
I never had the issue with the Canon FD lenses.

But it might be different with the series ii and iii cameras
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I have had an A7 and an A7R, now I only have an A7RII. I'm sure I will be tempted to upgrade to the RIII at some point.

The Sony produces very high quality files, and while most M wides may have some problems in the corners, if you choose the right M lenses, and supplement them with some R lenses, you are likely to be satisfied. I found I get great results with most 50's and up, the Elmarit-Rs for 28mm and 35mm, and for really - wide the Wate.

With the right lenses you will notice the advantages that the Sony sensors offer over the Leica's offerings. This is just my opinion, I am sure there are pixel-peeping complaints about every lens I use on any Sony...
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I'm guess I'm not all the clear on the distinctions between the A7 series and the A7R (or S for that matter). More than just number of pixels?
roughly speaking, please anyone correct me if not entirely true: the 7 series is the "middle, ballanced" model, those with "S" are the high ISO beasts, have less MP but improved high ISO, possibly Dynamic range, those with the "R" the MP beasts, have more MP, but a bit less good high ISO performance.

The original A7 does not have in body image stabilization, the A7II series has the image stabilization, a slight bigger body and deeper grip, the A7III bigger battery. Sensors, number of AF points and speed also improved with higher numbers.

I believe the "S" have less, the "R" models possibly more pronounced issues with the RF wide angles, and the later models less than the early.

a detailed comparison of A7II and A7III ( and A9 ):
http://briansmith.com/sony-fullframe...a7r-iii-vs-a9/

comparison googel results:
https://www.google.com/search?q=diff...t=firefox-b-ab
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I am another one with a A7s for using my RF lenses, leica, russian, the silent shutter in the A7s and the high iso make it a good fit as a M replacement and it does ok with my wide angle lenses.
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And I only use it for stills....
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I suppose there's compromise built into your question.
How much weight and bulk do you want to deal with when traveling ?
I get excellent results from the 7s with adapted Zeiss Contax SLR lenses - only 12mp but with a more film-like smoothness and higher iso allowing high shutter speeds - but it's too much bulk for carting around as a traveller.
I also use a Nex 5100 ( same 24mp sensor as the 6000 ) for going light - 15mmVC, 25mm VC, 40mm summicron, 90mm leitz. A very small bag.
Perhaps the end-use of the images will dictate how much inconvenience needs to be tolerated.
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Honestly... a used one. Sonys depreciate quickly. The original A7 is one of the cheapest, modern FF cameras on the market... like $700. Used, an A7II is a steal for what you get. A7R II is almost 50% of new price now used since the A7RIII came out. That said, they really are the antithesis of Leica when it comes to simplicity and ergonomics. Be careful ... I think the safe bet is a used A7II. Not crazy money and mature tech.
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FWIW, I'm still very happy with my A7RII. Tons of resolution for cropping, sharp, and generally better results with RF lenses than the non-R models (at least as compared with my original A7).

Sonys are super customizable, so there are many options you can tweak. It'll probably take a little experimentation to settle in with defaults you like, but after that point you can pretty much ignore the deep menus and just enjoy taking pictures.
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I recently purchased an A7II and a Loxia 50mm lens. It's the boost in image quality that I needed compared to my Fuji XT2 and Xpro2. But, I can't really use it. I just can't deal with the change in operation from my Fuji system to Sony. I'm thinking to sell or trade for more Fuji gear. Again, the A7II is great, especially for these Loxia lenses, but I've decide to stick with 100% Fuji.
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I recently purchased an A7II and a Loxia 50mm lens. It's the boost in image quality that I needed compared to my Fuji XT2 and Xpro2. But, I can't really use it. I just can't deal with the change in operation from my Fuji system to Sony. I'm thinking to sell or trade for more Fuji gear. Again, the A7II is great, especially for these Loxia lenses, but I've decide to stick with 100% Fuji.
I can relate.

Briefly I had the Sony A7 and a Fuji X-T1 but got confused with their ergonomics and button layout etc.

The Sony suited my preferred image quality more (lower contrast, slightly more muted colors) and I let go of the X-T1.
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Back in the film days, I never chose Fuji color slide film, and now in digital, despite my investment in Fuji gear, I still sometimes cringe at the colorfulness. The Sony produces a palette more to my liking.
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Back in the film days, I never chose Fuji color slide film, and now in digital, despite my investment in Fuji gear, I still sometimes cringe at the colorfulness. The Sony produces a palette more to my liking.
Let me introduce you to the saturation slider!
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Let me introduce you to the saturation slider!
I know where to find it but it felt kind of ludicrous to edit hundreds of files to a saturation that the Sony gave all by itself. Photography is performed behind a camera, not in front of a computer screen, I always like to think So I let the X-T1 go and also ended the menu and button confusion

Added bonus, my fast 1.2 and 2.0 lenses really shine on a FF sensor, the sense of shallow DOF is greater.


@Nightfly, good luck picking an M9 replacement, I'm out of pros to list in this thread concerning the Sonys
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I know where to find it but it felt kind of ludicrous to edit hundreds of files to a saturation that the Sony gave all by itself.
Well then, let me introduce you to the preset! Seriously, if you like the rendering of the Sony better than the Fuji, use the Sony.

For the kind of photography I do, each image gets individual treatment, so in the scheme of things, tweaking the saturation slider one way or the other is just a small part of a larger process.
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My experience with a7 and original 28summicron wasn’t great, particularly at corners

Now got my a7s alongside my M9 to cover almost all lighting situation.

Smaller file size stresses less on my computer and hard disk too
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I don't really care about adapting lenses. I might do it but not as my primary glass. Would rather go with one or two of the Zeiss lenses and take advantage of autofocus etc. I've always like the rendering of Zeiss glass for color which is what I shoot mostly.

Sounds like best bet would be a used or new A7II (there are some good deals on new ones or new ones with lens combos). If not that than a used a A7R2 to get my feet wet.

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I don't really care about adapting lenses. I might do it but not as my primary glass. Would rather go with one or two of the Zeiss lenses and take advantage of autofocus etc. I've always like the rendering of Zeiss glass for color which is what I shoot mostly.

Sounds like best bet would be a used or new A7II (there are some good deals on new ones or new ones with lens combos). If not that than a used a A7R2 to get my feet wet.

Thanks for the info.
I think you'll be very pleased with the results of any of the Sonys if you are going to get AF FE lenses. Just take time to figure out the obtuse menus and set the custom buttons and shortcuts to what use use frequently. I do a mostly landscape/scenics and find one or two of the apps very useful. I took the following seacape at about 10AM, with no neutral density filters using a Sony app (and printed at 36 x 54). It makes things very convenient and flexible.


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The A7ii and A6500 have in-body stabilization.

I like the 55 f/1.8, a superb lens. Normal on the A7 series and a great portrait lens on the A6500.

Most used combo for me is the 24 f/1.8 Zeiss on the A6500.

Adapted lenses I've tried work great on both bodies, e.g. modern Voigtlanders. Focus peaking works very well for manual focusing. Some old lenses e.g. 58mm f/2 Biotar show up with great character.

A couple years ago, I tried various mirrorless, decided to give the Sony a try, and have not looked back.
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I might end up adapting my Leica lenses a 35mm Summicron and 50mm Summicron and a 135, but I'd probably rather take advantage of the newer lenses in similar focal lengths.

Know the system isn't remotely M like in use but at this point, I'm really more concerned with image quality and not coming back from a trip to discover lines on all my photos.
Hope you get the M9 fixed. If not, sell the 35 or put it on a shelf. There are more Sony-friendly 35-mm lenses in M mount, such as Voigtländer 35/1.4, but going SLR or native should pay off. The 50 and 135 should be fine on the Sony cameras.

There are significant differences between the Sony A7 series cameras.

Generation-to-generation the main practical differences for most users are perhaps the following: better feel and handling going from 1st gen to 2nd gen and better battery going from 2nd gen to 3rd gen. The handling of the 1st gen cameras (at least A7 and A7r) was quite weak (although many are happy). The batteries used before 3rd gen cameras are rather abysmal. They were a problem on the NEX cameras already, and full frame did not help. Many other features are improved as well, but those are some that I feel most users will notice in practice.

The difference between regular, s, and r model are the same in each generation. You get the r model for large files and s for video. The s model also excels in low light, but they are close. If you do not care about large files or video, you should be happy with the regular one.

Even the original A7 is a capable camera. And so is the M9.
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