Old 05-31-2018   #161
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This thread came at a good time. I should be ready to develop my first roll this weekend.
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This thread came at a good time. I should be ready to develop my first roll this weekend.
Be sure to download V2.0 of their best practices PDF. Development times are different from earlier versions.

I was pretty pleased with straight D-76 and continuous agitation. Nice looking negs.

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Having made wet prints for people who only scan their film I conclude that many 'scan only' folks make much worse negatives (for wet printing) than us wet-printers.
I would agree. It takes a much better neg to make a really good wet print. I've seen a lot of what I'd call salvage scans from negs that would never give good wet prints.
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Be sure to download V2.0 of their best practices PDF. Development times are different from earlier versions.
Is that on their site somewhere? I don't see it just now.

I think I was looking at either 14 or 15 minutes in Rodinal 1:50, if I remember right. Probably 14. But I am not sure how current that is.
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The correct development time for any film is what works for you and your printing / scanning setup. What's correct for me isn't necessarily correct for you or anyone else.
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I would have gotten 40 frames, but am glad I didn't go to the very end, as when I unspooled the film in the darkroom it came right off the center, seems like the hole in the film didn't get caught by the tooth in the spindle.
All my rolls have come off the cassette spool in the camera. I gave the rest of it away and sent Ferrania a terse message.

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Is that on their site somewhere? I don't see it just now.......
http://www.filmferrania.it/p30-info

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......All my rolls have come off the cassette spool in the camera. I gave the rest of it away and sent Ferrania a terse message......
Until recently, a third party was doing the finishing (cutting the film, adding perforations, putting into the cartridge and boxes). They've now moved the finishing operation in-house.

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Until recently, a third party was doing the finishing (cutting the film, adding perforations, putting into the cartridge and boxes). They've now moved the finishing operation in-house.

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Ive shot 3 or 4 rolls all in different cameras and this hasn't happened to me.
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... I gave the rest of it away...
I’ve not missed mine, enjoying my UN54 and XX and lately back to PanF since the sun has returned full force to this northern clime.
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Negatives are hanging up drying. Seems a little more contrasty than I am used to.
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I was gifted a roll of P30 I shot yesterday in a recently overhauled Olympus OM-2n and processed in HC110 B. following their directions to the letter. Granted it wasn't the nicest day for medium speed black and white film, I got some nice results with some tweaking in Lightroom. I won't be making any wet prints from this roll as I need a half dozen rolls to dial the exposure in.

I hope Ferrania can produce a large run of this film to get the cost down a bit. As I'm intrigued with what I could get with a sunny day.

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Negatives are hanging up drying. Seems a little more contrasty than I am used to.
Yes, contrast is the issue with this film. Those who make prints in a traditional darkroom are having the hardest time dealing with the contrast. Those who scan and post-process in PS are having an easier time dealing with the contrast. All of my pics on this thread were scanned (kind of obvious, I guess).

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Yes, contrast is the issue with this film. Those who make prints in a traditional darkroom are having the hardest time dealing with the contrast. Those who scan and post-process in PS are having an easier time dealing with the contrast. All of my pics on this thread were scanned (kind of obvious, I guess).

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I think whether scanning or wet printing there will be a learning curve, both for Ferrania and their customers. It's a higher contrast film, but it can be controlled. I'm looking forward to shooting more as soon as it's available.
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Some quickies. This was all shot with my N90S.

These are the most contrasty negatives I've ever seen. I can't even think what might be No. 2 on that list. It would be a distant second. First time I've ever reduced contrast on a scan. I might think differently when I see them on my monitor at work tomorrow.

BTW Is this first one a close relative of Larry Cloetta's car?







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Some quickies. This was all shot with my N90S.

These are the most contrasty negatives I've ever seen. I can't even think what might be No. 2 on that list. It would be a distant second. First time I've ever reduced contrast on a scan. I might think differently when I see them on my monitor at work tomorrow.

BTW Is this first one a close relative of Larry Cloetta's car?

Pretty close, looks like about a ‘56 Speedster from the bumpers and what I can see of the taillights. Used to have a ‘56, sadly no longer. That’s a fairly high six figure car these days, so it’s nice to see someone just driving it around and parking it wherever.

Nice shots here, I have been using up my P30 pretty slowly.
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.......These are the most contrasty negatives I've ever seen. I can't even think what might be No. 2 on that list. It would be a distant second. First time I've ever reduced contrast on a scan. I might think differently when I see them on my monitor at work tomorrow.......
Outside of the last pic, your scans look really good, not contrasty. Choice of developers seems to matter. Based on what I've shot so far, D-76 tames contrast than XTOL.

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D96 and Paranol S seem the best at keeping contrast in check.

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D96 and Paranol S seem the best at keeping contrast in check.......
P30, being a motion picture film, was designed to be developed in D96. I wish you could buy it someplace. I don't want to go through the hassle of making it.

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My first roll of P30 exposed at ISO100 and dev in XTOL 1+1 12m 20C with 6 rapid inversions every 30sec. V700 scan. IIIc with a CV21/4 LTM.

The negs have high acutance and are very contrasty (easily tamed in LR4).







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Hmm, Lynnb:

If the negs are "very contrasty", I'd cut back on the agitation. IME, too much agitation causes much higher contrast build up.

For scanning, I go the other way and minimize agitation. It's always easy to add contrast*and obscure data when needed, but reducing contrast ultimately runs into the scanner's limitations and lack of detail information.

I haven't shot any of my P30 yet ... perhaps I'll take out a Leicaflex SL this week.

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My first roll of P30 exposed at ISO100 and dev in XTOL 1+1 12m 20C with 6 rapid inversions every 30sec. V700 scan. IIIc with a CV21/4 LTM.

The negs have high acutance and are very contrasty (easily tamed in LR4).







On the iPhone, these look good!
I think it had potential if they ever start making enough/ selling enough to make the effort if disking in a new film worthwhile I would be happy to try it out!!

Especially if Godfrey would loan me the Leicaflex SL!!!!
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Hmm, Lynnb:

If the negs are "very contrasty", I'd cut back on the agitation. IME, too much agitation causes much higher contrast build up.

For scanning, I go the other way and minimize agitation. It's always easy to add contrast*and obscure data when needed, but reducing contrast ultimately runs into the scanner's limitations and lack of detail information.

I haven't shot any of my P30 yet ... perhaps I'll take out a Leicaflex SL this week.

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P30 is inherently contrasty. There are monstrous threads over on APUG (now Photrio) how to deal with the contrast. Post-processing definitely helps, but controlling contrast during development is the real solution. Choice of developer has a big impact on contrast. Version 2.0 of their “best practices” PDF is very helpful.

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I found it interesting that the recommended Best Practice for Rodinal was an hour semi-stand at 1:100 dilution. Seems unconventional although in hindsight that might cut down on contrast.


Scroll further down on the page and there are Community Submitted techniques, which has a more-conventional Rodinal time of 14 minutes at 1:50 with regular agitation (which is what I used).
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I have to check, but I used Diafine and got good results. I'll check my times, but as I remember I think I only got 50 ISO or perhaps 80 the most. I never bought any P30, but I had all this gifting of P30 where I did enough testing to say that it has potential for me.

Diafine is a compensating developer so like stand development in Rodinal 1:100 the compensating effect unwinds the excessive contrast.

I use time to develop the midrange. With Diafine I always get mucho shadow detail. BTW I make negatives for wet printing. I don't scan.

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The last roll of P30 I shot was at an EI of 40 and developed in straight D-76, continuous agitation, for 8 minutes. My subject was in the shade. I was very happy with the results. See post #159 for the pic.

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It took me awhile to use this whole roll. This is frame 1 or 2.... Back in January. That is snow through those windows.

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It took me awhile to use this whole roll. This is frame 1 or 2.... Back in January. That is snow through those windows.
Notice any latent image keeping troubles?
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Not that I noticed, but I'll take a good hard look at them when I get home tonight. I'd rather not see any image deterioration if it takes me several months to go through a roll!
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From the same roll as images posted earlier, P30 @iso100 in XTOL 1+1, V700 scan and LR4 tone adjustment.


Ferrania P30 at Manly Village markets, Sydney 2017. #814 by lynn's snaps, on Flickr
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Looks great to me, Lynn!

It appears you have dialed it in. Now that having been apparently solved (?), the website updates do not seem exactly cheerful of confidence-inspiring. Hopefully Ferrania gets their problems solved soon.

I would love to try this film myself even though it looks pretty much like any other good film result. I would definitely support them!
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Lynn, a follow-up question since I value your expertise. Is there anything you have found using P30 that causes concern?
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Anyone develop this film in HC-110? Which dilution and for how long?
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from the same roll - P30 in XTOL 1+1


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Dave, no concern, it's just different - it's got a response unlike anything I've used previously. Blue skies are darker as are shadow areas. Also it gives a glow to the highlights as if there's no antihalation layer. But these are things you work with when you use the film. If I try it again I'll use Ferrania's recommended development. I think the film will work very well for portraits.

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Dave, no concern, it's just different - it's got a response unlike anything I've used previously. Blue skies are darker as are shadow areas. Also it gives a glow to the highlights as if there's no antihalation layer. But these are things you work with when you use the film. If I try it again I'll use Ferrania's recommended development. I think the film will work very well for portraits.

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Dave, no concern, it's just different - it's got a response unlike anything I've used previously. Blue skies are darker as are shadow areas. Also it gives a glow to the highlights as if there's no antihalation layer. But these are things you work with when you use the film. If I try it again I'll use Ferrania's recommended development. I think the film will work very well for portraits.....
You had better luck with Xtol than I did.

I do agree that P30 is a superb portrait film. The few portraits that I've taken have a certain quality that separates them from other b&W film I've used.

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I dont think that Xtol and P30 is as bad as some people claim.
Following 2 pictures are from the same roll, EI 80 dev. for 5 min. 35 seconds continuous agitation (Rondinax), Xtol replenished, 20.5 celcius.

Odense fantasier by Michael G, on Flickr

I skyggen langs åen by Michael G, on Flickr

If you click on the pics, you wil get to Flickr. There are more photos to see there.

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