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Old 02-14-2019   #201
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I have really enjoyed this thread and have followed it with great enthusiasm. Thanks to Andreas and to all who have contributed to it.


Now, I'm not sure whether to thank you or not (), as it has induced me to buy two new-to-me lenses for my old Pentax SLR bodies: An 85mm 1.9 Super Takumar (with original lens caps and lens hood), my favorite focal length, and a 105mm 2.8 Super Multi-Coated Takumar with original lens caps, lens hood, and hard leather case.


So, my Pentaxes will now be vying with my old Minoltas and TLRs for my attention!


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The authoritative source remains the excellent The Ultimate Asahi Pentax Screw Mount Guide 1952 - 1977 by Gerjan van Oosten, but it has been out of print for quite a long time and is now worth its weight in gold...

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Right Abbazz..thank you very much for posting here and pointing that out!
Often have heard it mention but never yet even have seen a copy of it. Now I know what would make the best birthday present for me, that I may try to buy one for myself for that
Just that, if found, as you point out, it will cost quite a bit more than most Takumar lenses.

What happened to your photos in post 126?

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I have really enjoyed this thread and have followed it with great enthusiasm. Thanks to Andreas and to all who have contributed to it.

Now, I'm not sure whether to thank you or not (), as it has induced me to buy two new-to-me lenses for my old Pentax SLR bodies: An 85mm 1.9 Super Takumar (with original lens caps and lens hood), my favorite focal length, and a 105mm 2.8 Super Multi-Coated Takumar with original lens caps, lens hood, and hard leather case.

So, my Pentaxes will now be vying with my old Minoltas and TLRs for my attention!

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ha Murray, I hope you will enjoy them much and decide that you better thank me for that Congrats on these Takumars!

Of course I own these two Takumars too

The 1.9/85 Super Takumar

Super Takumar f1.9 85mm
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with preset Takumar f2.8/105mm on Pentax *istDs

The f1.9/85 Super Takumar may not be sharpest wide open, but imo has everything that makes a great portrait lens

on Pentax K-x

Đạo Mẫu
by andreas, on Flickr, priestess of mother goddess religion, Vietnam 2011


Untitled
by andreas, on Flickr, Vietnam 2010

and Sony NEX5n

Untitled
by andreas, on Flickr, Vietnam 2013

S-M-C Takumar f2.8/105mm, the set:

Super Multi Coated Takumar 105mm f2.8 set
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Pentax M f2/50mm on Pentax *istDs

all on Pentax *istDs

Untitled
by andreas, on Flickr, Bali 2009


metro princess by andreas, on Flickr, Japan 2008

imo a high resolution lens

Kohshoji Temple by andreas, on Flickr, Japan 2009

( a bit embarrassing, I own all existing 85mm and 105 Takumars, 3 and 5 versions respectively )
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Those are the lenses, Andreas! Thanks for the example photos and the assessment of the lenses' capabilities. I'm excited to get them. (I already have the 85, and the 105 is on the way.)


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I've got a Super-Takumar 35/3.5 attached to my M3 right now. Awesome lens, I'll upload some pics when the roll is developed.
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Hi Peter,

similar history here. I hope it's not too boring, a resume of my personal history with photography:
Did some as teenager until my early 20s, using a Minolta XG with a f2.8/28mm and a 1.4/50 and my own darkroom doing only B&W. Next I used a bit a small Pentax AF zoom camera and then, for years, mostly stopped photography.
When digital started I first got some small P&S ( Canon something 10 ) later a used Ricoh Caplio R3 really got me started. Soon upgraded to a Konica Minolta A2 which until today I consider the best handling camera I have had the joy to use!! It also taught me to appreciate an EVF, above all an articulating one!! ( some things imo it did better than any later, e.g. when choosing a setting, mode one wants to change, which on this camera I could do blindly, without ever taking off my eye on the EVF, the setting chosen was superimposed but see through, big in the middle of the EVF for just a fraction of a moment long enough to register )

Next I wanted to upgrade to a dSLR, during that time I frequently was in Japan where in shops, unlike any other place I know of, I was able to handle any camera available to find exactly what I liked best. My choice was, for small size factor and very nice handling, a Pentax *istDS ( bought "used", as most usual for me ) . Cost factor of modern AF lenses felt heavy and I started to get old manual lenses instead and soon enough was hooked on Takumars. Later got some other makes too, mostly to compare and e.g. Vivitars f2/24 and f2/28 for being faster than the equivalent. Takumars but rel. cheap. Handling, build quality, also IQ, specially color rendering of Takumars, for me, hardly was reached by any other I tried though. Became known in some forums as Pentax fanboy and sure enough got pretty much any Takumar that had ever been produced ( still sad I did not get that f2/100 I had once chance to, very rare, and the price was very good, but that time still too expensive for me )

After the upgrade to a Pentax K-x mirrorless cameras started to hit the market. Smaller, lighter, and since I am most often living out of a suitcase just right for me! The small and powerful Sony NEX5n, with articulating EVF (!) soon became my most used camera and the short register distance soon enough had me jump to the smaller lenses it enabled. Pen-F halfframe lenses, main reason first was because they are cheaper than RF glass, soon really dig those!
Widest however is a 20mm, which makes a 30mm in 35mm film or "fullframe" terms, therefore I added a Voigtlaender 15mm, for more crisp images for landscape and architecture, wide views, soon also Voigtlaender 21mm and 25mm.

Next added the Ricoh GXR M, because such a joy to use, very organic, compared to Sony IQ more "warm", even Pentax-like, even converted my Pen-F lenses to Leica M so that I could use them on the Ricoh.

Desire for a "fullframe camera", not the least also for being able to finally use my Takumars on a medium the size they had been made for, started to creep in more and more. Must admit here that I never much got into using film again. Reason being simply convenience, specially when on the road. Long waited and had hoped for a "FF" mirrorless with an articulating EVF, in the end lost hope and did get a Sony A7.

The Pen-F halframe hardly work on them, use of Takumars made a small comeback then but soon got into Canon LTMs which I appreciate a lot. That again had me neglect my Takumars..

So I ended up owning some 150+ lenses..and I am very happy with the selection I have got, Takumars + a few other, interesting SLR lenses, "Pen-F" halframe lenses, C.V. wide angles and Canon LTMS. Since a few years now I have not bought any more lenses.

In case I will buy lenses again it will be AF lenses. Just now, since a few weeks, I an using a Sony RX100iii I bought second hand, AF again, something I hardly have been using since my Konica Minolta A2. Enjoying it, also learning about it's limitations.

That's were I am at.
I believe I never will sell my Takumars. And every time I am using one it feels just right. For me the S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50mm had become, still is and will remain "the" epitome of a photographic lens

now, has anyone read until here? forgive me for all that personal stuff...

cheers, andreas
Wow quite a story. Just proves my point. Takumars are like a gateway drug.

I have sold one or two Takumars only.

One was the SMC 85mm f1.8 which I sold because I was desperate for money to pay off a Leica M8 which I had in the wings and I was paying for in installments. (I had made a decision and a promise - wives, go figure! - that I would restrict how much money I would spend on new equipment even if technically I could afford it and instead try to fund major new purchases by sale of existing kit). I made the decision to sell this specific lens on the grounds that I already had the auto Takumar 85mm f1.8 which is as good if not better and as this lens always attracts a good price it would let me sell one lens instead of a couple to meet my target figure for the sale. But I regret my decision to this day - and that sale occurred at least 6 years ago. and of course the price of this lens has only risen since then

The other sale that comes to mind was an early Takumar 300mm f4. It was quite a nice lens but hard to use given its very large size and slow focusing pitch. And as a result it did not get much use though I loved owning it.

However as I said I have in more recent times been distracted by more exotic equipment and have you to thank for bringing me back to my photographic roots.
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I've got a Super-Takumar 35/3.5 attached to my M3 right now. Awesome lens, I'll upload some pics when the roll is developed.
I got this one recently, myself, and I have it mounted on an H1a body. I haven't used it yet, though I look forward to running a roll of chrome film through it soon.

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Wow quite a story. Just proves my point. Takumars are like a gateway drug.
exactly!!!

an addition to my long post about my lenses: forgot to mention the 3 M-Rokkors. Much like the tiny 2/40, the 2.8/28 had the dreaded white spots, removed them which meant removing the coating, now it "shines".
Color rendition of them I find characteristic and unique

my "incognito" Takumars

no name lenses :-) by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Super Takumar f1.9/85mm, Pentax K-x

A few times had dropped my Pentax *istDs with the S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50mm mounted, by far my most used lens then. Luckily it dropped with the lens touching ground first. That meant no damage to the camera and just a dent on the filter ring on the lens But after a few times the filter ring had become loose. To fix that I had to take off it's name ring. That was difficult enough, so after fixing I left it off. The Super Takumar f3.5/24mm had not focused until infinity. Also because it being a beaten up copy it had been very difficult to get the name ring off, to do it I had to drill holes in it. These holes don't look all that swell. Therefore, after fixing the infinity problem, also had left the name ring off.


Super Takumar f3.5/24mm
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my S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50m on Pentax K-x

Pentax K-x with S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50mm
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I just looked at the S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50mm in one of your albums. For a beat-up lens it really performs nicely. Amazing!
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I just looked at the S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50mm in one of your albums. For a beat-up lens it really performs nicely. Amazing!
John optically, even mechanically, both smoothness of focus ring and aperture ring, all is fine!
Looking through my photos from years ago, when this lens used to be my most used lens, I recognize that I have been much worse a photographer than I had thought then. However I believe that since then I have been learning a bit too.

an anecdote testifying the build quality of these Takumars: once a Super Takumar f1.4/50, I think it was, without me noticing had fallen out of my bag when I entered my car. Driving away I felt running over something, stopped, checked and to my horror saw the squished, old "hard" case, which I knew was not empty, beneath my car . The case wasn't all that hard...I think it got some kind of carton inside to give it's hard appearing shape. The case was a lost case and I threw it away. The lens inside however was completely unharmed and has kept on performing just as it did ever before ( I have absolutely no issue if anyone calls me a Takumar fan boy, at 58 it only makes me feel young )

A quite recent sample, for the lens already having been in the state as seen above and for having been taken on Sony A7 "FF" camera:


Untitled
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an anecdote testifying the build quality of these Takumars: once a Super Takumar f1.4/50, I think it was, without me noticing had fallen out of my bag when I entered my car. Driving away I felt running over something, stopped, checked and to my horror saw the squished, old "hard" case, which I knew was not empty, beneath my car . The case wasn't all that hard...I think it got some kind of carton inside to give it's hard appearing shape. The case was a lost case and I threw it away. The lens inside however was completely unharmed and has kept on performing just as it did ever before
Wow! That is impressive; these Takumars must be built like tanks.

I've got to ask........ was there any damage to the car?
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Wow! That is impressive; these Takumars must be built like tanks.

I've got to ask........ was there any damage to the car?
HAHAHAhahaha! car was alright, it was a station wagon, kind of truck. That tire didn't make it much longer..
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HAHAHAhahaha! car was alright, it was a station wagon, kind of truck. That tire didn't make it much longer..
At least a replacement tyre is easier to find (though not necessarily cheaper) than a good lens.
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Good story, you do feel like you have something in your hand when you pick one of these up.
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S-M-C Takumar f2/35mm


S-M-C Takumar 35mm f2
by andreas, on Flickr, taken by S-M-C f2.8/105mm on Pentax *istDs



im Weinhaus Sittl
by andreas, on Flickr, on Pentax *istDs, Vienna 2008


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Pentax 6x7, S-M-C Takumar 6x7 105mm f/2.4, Kodak 400TX, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6 minutes.


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That is neat. I have the same lens. Sometimes I use it like a regular 50mm because it is so sharp and no focus curve.
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That is neat. I have the same lens. Sometimes I use it like a regular 50mm because it is so sharp and no focus curve.
right, very sharp!
first I had the S-M-C Takumar f4/50mm


S-M-C Macro Takumar 50mm f4
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Jupiter-9 f2/85mm on Pentax *istDs

later I got the earlier model preset Macro Takumar f4/50mm. The preset extends further and goes to 1:1 while the S-M-C "only" goes to 1:2.
I figured that the very much recessed front lens neutralizes the advantage of the superior coating and sold the S-M-C and kept the preset


Macro Takumar f4/50mm preset
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Macro Takumar f4/50mm preset
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Macro Takumar f4/50mm preset
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all 3 taken with Super Takumar f1.9/85mm on Pentax K-x
( sorry in case these photos are dark. I only edit on the notebooks that I carry, the one I had that time must have had a super bright monitor, on my later notebooks they look dim )

The preset Takumar had become my standard lens to take photos of my gear, e.g the photos of the early Pentax cameras I showed here before had been taken with it.
Have not used it much for anything else, though you are right, it certainly serves as a great normal lens as well, very sharp, good flare resistance and good bokeh too I'd say


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That is neat. I have the same lens. Sometimes I use it like a regular 50mm because it is so sharp and no focus curve.
I sometimes use mine as a standard lens too especially when I know I will not be needing anything too fast. The same goes for my Nikkor 55mm f2.8 Micro lens.

One thing that never ceases to surprise me when I pick it up is that the Takumar is a surprisingly heavy and chunky little lens.
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Mine is all black.

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I am getting interested in getting a 50/4 macro pre-set!
So am I, Raid, and I have already bought two lenses, instigated by this thread!

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Mine is all black.

oh, interesting and..beautiful
I believe my preset Takumar f3.5/200mm came with an all black cap that looks like yours. ( My Auto Takumar f1.8/85, the lens you show, unfortunately came without front cap. )
There are also all silver Takumar caps as e.g. that of the Auto Takumar f2.3/35mm, but they don't say Takumar but AOCo ( for Asahi Optical Company )
Takumar lens caps with black body and silver writing that says "Takumar", as seen on my earlier photo, also came with some early Takumars only and therefore now are rather rare. Later Takumar lens caps look similar, also black body with silver writing and fully metal but their lettering say "Asahi Pentax". These are the most common Takumar front lens caps.

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Oh, Raid and Murray, now this thread really instigated you, maybe even others, to buy Takumars Should have happened earlier, some years ago, when I did take orders of rarer Takumars that I hunted down in Japan
I am a Takumar fan but I believe it is bull**** to say lenses of this or that maker, generally, are superior of those of another maker. I specially like Takumars for their smooth operation and strong build. Some early lenses of other makes may be more clunky, less smooth, also bigger.
I do dare say that early lenses, made in the 50s until late 60s, made by Pentax actually really may have an advantage, even generally speaking, that of superior coating. My experience with various kind of old lenses would indicate that. My theory is the the coating of Takumars had been superior already before they started to name them Super Multi Coated and started to market them for having good coating. That had other makers to pull even. E.g I very much like Olympus OM lenses for mostly beings smaller and lighter than comparable Takumars, also for having their aperture ring towards the front of the lens ( as do preset Takumars, but not later Takumars ) But for OM lenses I'd watch out to get the later series that say "MC" for multi coated. Earlier OM lenses, as compared to Takumars of the same vintage, imho seem to suffer from weak coatings. Of course one also may like that and play with that..
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Andreas, I remember old Pentax ads from the early 1970s that showed cutaways of their lenses, to reveal the mechanical superiority of the product. They explained that focusing helicoids of aluminum on brass were naturally lubricated and required no other lubricant. I believe Minolta Rokkor lenses until the late 1970s had such construction, as well. (Then they started making lighter, more compact electronic cameras and smaller, lighter lenses to go with them.)

Interestingly (to me, at least), until multi-coating, Minolta had what they called "achromatic coating," which was dual-coating. This gave Minolta an advantage over others until Pentax came out with Super Multi-Coating (7 layers) and Fuji came out with their EBC (Electron Beam Coating: 11 layers!).

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My understanding is that in the 50's & 60's Pentax was "chasing" Zeiss in optical quality and coatings with a view to becoming superior... And perhaps they did!

As to different metals in helicoids... It is true that adjacent surfaces of the identical metal have a kind of sticktion, an attraction for the mating surface. This is due to the identical molecules across the gap interacting and exchanging their electrons. Different metals don't attract each other like that and slide more smoothly; true even for different alloys of the same metal, the more different the better! Also as I recall this effect is different with different metals, aluminum being more prone to this than others...
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Andreas, I remember old Pentax ads from the 1970s that showed cutaways of their lenses, to reveal the mechanical superiority of the product. They explained that focusing helicoids of aluminum on brass were naturally lubricated and required no other lubricant. I believe Minolta Rokkor lenses until the late 1970s had such construction, as well. (Then they started making lighter, more compact electronic cameras and smaller, lighter lenses to go with them.)

Interestingly (to me, at least), until multi-coating, Minolta had what they called "achromatic coating," which was dual-coating. This gave Minolta an advantage over others until Pentax came out with Super Multi-Coating (7 layers) and Fuji came out with their EBC (Electron Beam Coating: 11 layers!).

Thanks for keeping this thread going, Andreas!

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thank you Murray for your more detailed knowledge!!
I believe, just a theory but it often is said that at least late Super Takumars already had several layers of coating, that Takumars already had several layers of coating before they started to call them Super Multi Coated. Add / or that their early, even if it were single coated lenses, had comparatively good coating.
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thank you Murray for your more detailed knowledge!!
I believe, just a theory but it often is said that at least late Super Takumars already had several layers of coating, that Takumars already had several layers of coating before they started to call them Super Multi Coated. Add / or that their early, even if it were single coated lenses, had comparatively good coating.
Andreas, you may well be right about the coating on Super Takumars. I have no knowledge about that.

Multi-Coating is nice, but I have a lot of older lenses that don't have it and it has never really been a problem. I always use lens hoods though.

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Andreas, you may well be right about the coating on Super Takumars. I have no knowledge about that.

Multi-Coating is nice, but I have a lot of older lenses that don't have it and it has never really been a problem. I always use lens hoods though.

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I have or have had a few lenses that seem to show effects of weak coating. Already I had mentioned Olympus Zuikos:

The OM F.Zuiko Auto-T f2 85mm had been recommended for me over the later MC version for being specially pleasing for portraits. Sure low contrast but I never got warm with it, but must give it another try!

And a OM H-Zuiko Auto-W 24mm f2.8. I soon replaced it with a later OM Zuiko Auto-W 24mm f2.8 MC ( Multi coated ) which I found quite superior. A difference that I had not noticed between Super Takumars and S-M-C Takumars. Now, on Sony A7, it is my most used 24mm ( I have a number of "famous", very good vintage f2.8/24mm lenses: MC W-Rokkor, Nikkor-N.C, Pentax K, all outstanding lenses, also a Tamron Adaptall f2.5 and Vivitar f2. ) Prefer the OM for it's smaller size ( I am mostly living out of a suitcase )
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thank you Murray for your more detailed knowledge!!
I believe, just a theory but it often is said that at least late Super Takumars already had several layers of coating, that Takumars already had several layers of coating before they started to call them Super Multi Coated. Add / or that their early, even if it were single coated lenses, had comparatively good coating.
According to this article from Asahi Optical Historical Club's website, Asahi Optical Co. Asahi didn’t invent the multicoating, since it bought the patents from Optical Coatings Laboratories Inc. (OCLI), based in California. Other Japanese manufacturers had to pay royalties to Asahi Opt. Co. in order to use the multicoating process. Zeiss did maybe benefit from the cooperation it had with Asahi Opt. Co. at that time and was indeed one of the first manufacturers to offer lenses using its T* multicoating process, which was very similar to AOCo's Super-Multi-Coating.

The article also supports Kuuan's above theory by stating that "late production Super-Takumars were already multi-coated. It was probably just an experimental coating, maybe less than 7-layers, or maybe it was not on all air-to-glass surfaces, so that it didn’t perform as well as the definitive Super-Multi-Coating".

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oh, interesting and..beautiful
I believe my preset Takumar f3.5/200mm came with an all black cap that looks like yours. ( My Auto Takumar f1.8/85, the lens you show, unfortunately came without front cap. )
There are also all silver Takumar caps as e.g. that of the Auto Takumar f2.3/35mm, but they don't say Takumar but AOCo ( for Asahi Optical Company )
Takumar lens caps with black body and silver writing that says "Takumar", as seen on my earlier photo, also came with some early Takumars only and therefore now are rather rare. Later Takumar lens caps look similar, also black body with silver writing and fully metal but their lettering say "Asahi Pentax". These are the most common Takumar front lens caps.
I have an AOC cap for my Auto-Takumar 135/3.5, and another orphan larger-diameter one that I suppose would be for the 35/2.3. Also several "Honeywell Pentax" caps, and a couple "Heiland Pentax" caps. I suppose that one could build quite a collection of Takumar lens caps.
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According to this article from Asahi Optical Historical Club's website, Asahi Optical Co. Asahi didn’t invent the multicoating, since it bought the patents from Optical Coatings Laboratories Inc. (OCLI), based in California. Other Japanese manufacturers had to pay royalties to Asahi Opt. Co. in order to use the multicoating process. Zeiss did maybe benefit from the cooperation it had with Asahi Opt. Co. at that time and was indeed one of the first manufacturers to offer lenses using its T* multicoating process, which was very similar to AOCo's Super-Multi-Coating.

The article also supports Kuuan's above theory by stating that "late production Super-Takumars were already multi-coated. It was probably just an experimental coating, maybe less than 7-layers, or maybe it was not on all air-to-glass surfaces, so that it didn’t perform as well as the definitive Super-Multi-Coating".

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According to this article from Asahi Optical Historical Club's website, Asahi Optical Co. Asahi didn’t invent the multicoating, since it bought the patents from Optical Coatings Laboratories Inc. (OCLI), based in California. Other Japanese manufacturers had to pay royalties to Asahi Opt. Co. in order to use the multicoating process. Zeiss did maybe benefit from the cooperation it had with Asahi Opt. Co. at that time and was indeed one of the first manufacturers to offer lenses using its T* multicoating process, which was very similar to AOCo's Super-Multi-Coating.

The article also supports Kuuan's above theory by stating that "late production Super-Takumars were already multi-coated. It was probably just an experimental coating, maybe less than 7-layers, or maybe it was not on all air-to-glass surfaces, so that it didn’t perform as well as the definitive Super-Multi-Coating".

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thank you so much Abbazz for this article!! You are much needed here!

in a nutshell: "Asahi Opticals was the first company to understand the importance of anti-reflective coating and developed it's production. That marked a turning point in the evolution of photographic optics, other manufacturer had to follow suit."

All information makes very much sense and indeed coincides with my own findings and view! Had I even had read the same article, many years ago, also linked by you in another forum? Sure had picked up bits of it here and there, this article is bookmarked now! thank you again Abbazz, cheers, andreas

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I have an AOC cap for my Auto-Takumar 135/3.5, and another orphan larger-diameter one that I suppose would be for the 35/2.3. Also several "Honeywell Pentax" caps, and a couple "Heiland Pentax" caps. I suppose that one could build quite a collection of Takumar lens caps.
Honeywell, the importer of Pentax photography gear to the USA until the late 70s! Greyscale of course! They had put their own name on cameras and ..caps, also that of Heiland, a manufacturer they had bought.
All my Takumars I had bought either in Europe or Japan, no Honeywell or Heiland there. Made me not think of it, sorry. Thank you for adding that!
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Honeywell, the importer of Pentax photography gear to the USA until the late 70s! Greyscale of course! They had put their own name on cameras and ..caps, also that of Heiland, a manufacturer they had bought.
All my Takumars I had bought either in Europe or Japan, no Honeywell or Heiland there. Made me not think of it, sorry. Thank you for adding that!
I believe that Honeywell was a originally a subsidiary of Heiland Research. The Heiland-branded cameras are earlier than the Honeywell versions, I think only the H1 and (maybe) the H2 were the only ones marked with the Heiland brand. Most of my Pentax screw-mount cameras are Honeywell Pentax. I don't know if any of the K-mount cameras carried the Honeywell branding.
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I believe that Honeywell was a originally a subsidiary of Heiland Research. The Heiland-branded cameras are earlier than the Honeywell versions, I think only the H1 and (maybe) the H2 were the only ones marked with the Heiland brand. Most of my Pentax screw-mount cameras are Honeywell Pentax. I don't know if any of the K-mount cameras carried the Honeywell branding.
Right! From what I take from the camera-wiki article you are exactly right:
Heiland had started to import Asahi Optical cameras and had put their own name, later it was bought by Honeywell and the name on the gear changed accordingly: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Honeywell

There it also says that Pentax had started to import to the US by itself, under it's own name, in 1977. And at wikipedia I read that the production of K mount cameras started in 1975. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_cameras#K_Series and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_K-mount ) Therefore one could conclude that first K mount Pentax cameras imported to the US still carried the Honeywell name, but I wouldn't know. Abbazz?
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Great information, Abbazz! Thanks!
You're welcome, Murray!

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thank you so much Abbazz for this article!! You are much needed here!
Thanks, Andreas, I really appreciate your kind words. And please keep on posting your wonderful Takumar pictures!

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Yesterday I dug out an old auto Takumar 55mm f2.2 of the Honeywell / Heiland era and made a casual shot with it on an M4/3 camera using an adapter.

I had forgotten just how beautifully it renders. The shot was of a Japanese sake flask on a coffee table with light from the TV in the background. The shot was sharp with nice color but the soft, gentle flare from the background lighting was lovely and unexpected. I then made another shot of a dining room chair with the room in the background at full aperture. I can confirm that the lens has lovely bokeh too.

There truly is something very special about these lenses.
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peterm1, where are these samples, taken with the Auto Takumar f2.2/55mm?

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Thanks, Andreas, I really appreciate your kind words. And please keep on posting your wonderful Takumar pictures!
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haha, thank you dear Abbazz. There only is a small problem. I don't have all that many good photos from years ago when I had been mostly using Takumars. I'd hope I have improved a bit since then

to complete the 1.4/50 Takumars, the SMC, the last and only line of Takumars that didn't have a full metal body but a rubberized focus ring:


SMC Takumar f1.4/50mm
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Super Takumar f1.9/85mm on Pentax K-x


hardly have taken any photos with it though, the 4 photos below had been taken with it on a Pentax K-x ( APS-C sensor )


lanterns by andreas, on Flickr


Untitled
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but it gives me the chance, I hope nobody minds the off topic, to show the camera that for me has been the best handling camera that I ever have had the pleasure to use,
Konica Minolta Dimage A2:


Konica Minolta A2
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Konica Minolta A2
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Deep grip, good thumb rest, front and rear wheels on it's right side, and then please check out this other wheel, the "function dial", on the left side of the body: In the middle the button to unlock it, then to choose the one of most important settings. The one selected will be superimposed in big letters in the middle of the EVF, but see-through and only for a short moment. While changing the value of that setting, using the rear wheel on the right top side, the superimposed values of course would stay on as long as one was changing that value: On this camera I could set pretty much anything I wanted or needed to very fast, "on the fly", using both index fingers and thumbs while keeping my eye glued to the VF!! I felt like playing the piano

The Konica Minolta A2 had integrated flash, hotshoe, articulating LCD and articulating EVF! ( until today some are saying that this "was not possible"..)

Articulating EVF, a personal, purely subjective observation and opinion: When first mirrorless cameras had come out producers seem to have appreciated the possibility of leaving behind the limitation of an OVF of having to be fixed, knew the many advantages of an articulating VF. Negative consumer reactions saying that it doesn't "look nice" because it sticks out, and that it is "fragile", which of course, for lack of experience of actual durability then had been a nothing more than a prejudice, at least an assumption, had producers, imo against better knowledge, again turn away from articulating EVFs, sigh.. They learned that for a camera to sell well it better looked like cameras used to look like, produced fixed EVFs in mock prism housings and embraced retro design.
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almost now Takumars I have left to show, there are a few, but embarrassingly I hardly have taken photos with them


the S-M-C Takumar f1.8/85mm

S-M-C Takumar f1.8/85mm
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so far only have used it to take "portraits" of a few other lenses
RE-Auto Topcor f1.8/58mm

RE-Auto Topcor f1.8/58mm
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Pentax K-x

MC-Rokkor f2.8/24mm

MC W-Rokkor f2.8/24mm
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Pentax K-x

used lens wide open but did "focus stacking" to get the whole lens sharp but max. blur of the background
the great Olympus "Pen-f" Zuiko F1.4/40mm

G.Zuiko Auto-S f1.4 40mm
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almost now Takumars I have left to show, there are a few, but embarrassingly I hardly have taken photos with them

the S-M-C Takumar f1.8/85mm
S-M-C Takumar f1.8/85mm
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so far only have used it to take "portraits" of a few other lenses
RE-Auto Topcor f1.8/58mm
RE-Auto Topcor f1.8/58mm
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Pentax K-x

MC-Rokkor f2.8/24mm
MC W-Rokkor f2.8/24mm
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Pentax K-x

used lens wide open but did "focus stacking" to get the whole lens sharp but max. blur of the background
the great Olympus "Pen-f" Zuiko F1.4/40mm
G.Zuiko Auto-S f1.4 40mm
by andreas, on Flickr, taken with Sony NEX5n
Andreas, how does the 85mm 1.8 Super Multi-Coated Takumar compare with the 85mm 1.9 Super Takumar?

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