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Old 06-09-2013   #1
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m4/3 bw online photo contest

I'd like to try hosting a photo project. Here's the basic premise:

1. Use a m4/3 camera with any lens
2. take a photo of anything.
3. submit it to me and don't post it anywhere else before the judging
4. submit your image so it is viewable on normal devices, JPG, 1600 pixels on long side minimum, no maximum.
5. no cropping, but 4:3, or 3:2 (if camera supports it) aspect ratios are OK.
6. no post processing, so you must take it in JPG mode.

No prizes, other than recognition, will be hosted where photographer is anonymous and anyone can see the image clearly, even with a budget high res android tablet and bad eyesight can see the image.

Who's in? What timeframes would you like for submission, and judging time?
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sounds interesting, i would be in with my ep3 and jupiter 3.

How about a July timeframe?
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Good idea but I don't use either of my current digital cameras in jpeg mode and never used my OMD that way either when I had it.

Why ask for unprocessed jpegs straight out of the camera ... do you have a particular reason for this?
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Sounds good

The J3 is a fantastic lens for b/w. July sounds good.

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sounds interesting, i would be in with my ep3 and jupiter 3.

How about a July timeframe?
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Hi Keith

This is cool. I'm not a big fan of photoshopping and photo manipulation. It's fine if others are though. I've seen some stunning silver-fx images, but it's not for me.

The reason is to share m4/3 bw images, in a decent size, and provide some motivation to try to get some good m43 / bw captures, and see how others rate images.


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Good idea but I don't use either of my current digital cameras in jpeg mode and never used my OMD that way either when I had it.

Why ask for unprocessed jpegs straight out of the camera ... do you have a particular reason for this?
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... unprocessed eh? ... you can't do that with film you know
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This is cool. I'm not a big fan of photoshopping and photo manipulation. It's fine if others are though. I've seen some stunning silver-fx images, but it's not for me.

The reason is to share m4/3 bw images, in a decent size, and provide some motivation to try to get some good m43 / bw captures, and see how others rate images.
there's two reasons for unprocessed i think (personally speaking)

1. dynamic b&w setting on the gf1....
2. grainy b&w from the olympus art filters...

interesting contest idea though.
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Sparrow

A year or two ago I had another epic idea for a great photo project, and that was sending your unprocessed rolls to another member to process.

We can still do that one, I have a lot of unprocessed rolls, and it would be fun to take someones roll to Walgreens, and see what comes out!


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yeah

using any filters in your m4/3 is fine if you like. But the real reason for unprocessed is to challenge m43 users in bw to take a photo they are proud of as is out of the camera, without manipulating externally.

I'm aware that the cameras are doing some processing and manipulation, and would like to see what folks can come up with using their own capture, and camera's tools, and not additional tools outside the camera.


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there's two reasons for unprocessed i think (personally speaking)

1. dynamic b&w setting on the gf1....
2. grainy b&w from the olympus art filters...

interesting contest idea though.
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Sounds reasonable (including a July timeframe as suggested). I tend to shoot RAW and do like to PP in LR4, but could reset my habits for an informal contest--especially since I snagged a GX1 and it is getting a good deal of carry-around currently.

I do wonder, though, whether the restrictions might limit the critical mass of participants. There may be others who decided to pass on the opportunity rather than question its rationale, as Keith reasonably does.
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so we have about 3 or so, if we get 5+, that's enough for me.

If your camera is capable, you can shoot JPG+RAW, and submit the JPG, and work on the RAW later.

There are plenty of other contests that allow cropping and manipulation. This one is for the serious folks confident that they can take good photos without Lightroom, Photoshop, etc.


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Sounds reasonable (including a July timeframe as suggested). I tend to shoot RAW and do like to PP in LR4, but could reset my habits for an informal contest--especially since I snagged a GX1 and it is getting a good deal of carry-around currently.

I do wonder, though, whether the restrictions might limit the critical mass of participants. There may be others who decided to pass on the opportunity rather than question its rationale, as Keith reasonably does.
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So is the timeframe between now and July? Or during July? Regardless, I'm in. 90% of the time I use JPGs out of the camera and I always shoot B&W + RAW. It sounds like this contest was made for me
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Yes, it starts now

Any photo taken in b/w JPG mode with an m43 taken from now to say July 1 (will be extended slightly if any needs it), will be good to submit.

So anyone who wants to participate has at least 3 weeks to try to get a good capture.

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So is the timeframe between now and July? Or during July? Regardless, I'm in. 90% of the time I use JPGs out of the camera and I always shoot B&W + RAW. It sounds like this contest was made for me
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I'm in, I'll use my E-M5 in BW JPG, it does quite well in camera.
For my lens, my Canon FL 50mm f/1.4... a great lens for OOC BW's
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sounds good
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sounds good

I will be using an ancient EPL1 with either a Hexanon 57/1.4 or 40/1.8.

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For my lens, my Canon FL 50mm f/1.4... a great lens for OOC BW's
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Does turning it into a monochrome count as "processed" ?
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yes it does

set your camera to b/w monochrome jpgs for this project.

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OK, so here are my thoughts on the process. Please feel free to suggest alternatives:

I will accept the images by email in early July, as an email attachment to an address that will be provided, the file size can be up to 25MB.

I will use exiftool to make a copy of your image, with no modifications except to remove all exif data, then upload at the highest resolution to a folder on a public flickr page. Comments will be disabled.

The voting period will begin and go for a week or two (what's the preference here for duration?).

Voting can take place here by anyone (please don't vote for your own), for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

When the voting period is over, I will post the results of the votes, and put the images back with the exif data.

It will be up to the image owner if they want to mention which photo was theirs.

If the total # of participants is < 10, do we want to allow 2 images per person?

How long of a judging period would you like?

Is July 1 too soon? If so, what about July 7 or 14?

Thanks for your input.
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set your camera to b/w monochrome jpgs for this project.
There are various settings for B&W JPEG processing in some of my cameras...making a conscious decision about what curve levels and B&W style is post-processing, is it not? What if I decide one combination is better later, and then switch again later?
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Hi Gabriel

Yes, you are correct. If your camera has, and even my EPL1 has a couple of different monochrome settings, then I'm hoping that for the purpose of this project / contest, is that you'll pick one mode, and submit an image from that mode.

I'm not aware of all of the different monochrome modes of other cameras, but in the EPL1, the art filters, and high contrast monochrome are novel and limiting, so I'm just using the default monochrome setting. I'm aware there are some additional advanced settings for softness and sharpening, etc., but I planning on just having mine at the defaults.

It's about the capture, can you get a capture out of the camera in it's basic monochrome settings worth sharing? Later you might want to crop, apply a filter, use the raw color data and make it a color image, etc., so feel free to use jpg + raw and submit the monochrome jpg.



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There are various settings for B&W JPEG processing in some of my cameras...making a conscious decision about what curve levels and B&W style is post-processing, is it not? What if I decide one combination is better later, and then switch again later?
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Works for me... When the E-PL1 came out with the weaker AA filter, I finally quit shooting RAW. I was seeing the sharpness I had been striving for.

Haven't produced a RAW image for four years at least, and happy to be away from that process.

I'm in. 1600 long side, BW, Jpeg from the camera. No problem.
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The EPL-1, like almost all stuff from Olympus had a lot of interesting features. One is the huge jpg file sizes, for 10MP, way larger than say the M8's JPGs, and even some DSLRs with same # of MP.

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Works for me... When the E-PL1 came out with the weaker AA filter, I finally quit shooting RAW. I was seeing the sharpness I had been striving for.

Haven't produced a RAW image for four years at least, and happy to be away from that process.

I'm in. 1600 long side, BW, Jpeg from the camera. No problem.
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As soon as 7/1 is fine for me; no objections to postponing in the interest of attracting others. Thanks for clarifications btw.
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I wouldn't mind joining in if you'll take me. I've never used the in-camera B&W function on my camera. This seems like a good opportunity to play around a bit.
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OK, about OOC JPGs....
many cameras only have +2 or +3 sharpening, and contrast IE: still soft w/o post sharpening...
is just real basic Contrast and Sharpening OK?
Old adapted lenses typically are low contrast at most f/stops with digital anyway
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OK, about OOC JPGs....
many cameras only have +2 or +3 sharpening, and contrast IE: still soft w/o post sharpening...
is just real basic Contrast and Sharpening OK?
Old adapted lenses typically are low contrast at most f/stops with digital anyway
i think ampguy wants it to be as hands off as possible.

I have my photo ready (and I so want to pp it!) but i'll send it untouched to your email ampguy (unfortunately)
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DNG and Kaiwasoyokaze: I'm OK with in-camera adjustments. After the voting process, you may want to let folks know what in-camera settings you used. I know that I would be interested in that info.

We all agree that for JPGs, we are having the camera "process" based on the design teams tweaks and defaults, and the in-camera settings give us a bit of tweakability. So if you have some favorite in-camera settings, for JPG mode, go ahead and use them.

email attach them to my username here at gmail.com with subject: m43 bw project.

On July 1, we'll see how many submissions we have, and decide to start voting, or wait if anyone wants a bit more time. Also, if you take a better photo between now and then, just send your best one, and let me know to delete your earlier one.
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interesting

after the voting period, I'd like to know (or see) what and how you wanted to post process your image.

My goal, and I don't think I will achieve it to all/most of the the viewers, is to take something that just doesn't need any post processing.

Everyone's a critic...

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i think ampguy wants it to be as hands off as possible.

I have my photo ready (and I so want to pp it!) but i'll send it untouched to your email ampguy (unfortunately)
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Can we rotate the image or would you like to do that Ted?
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ampguy, I so not used to displaying un-sharpened images.....
But, I understand your thinking....
Get the best you can with what the camera can do "in-camera"..

I have mine also....
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I understand

Depending on the device others view your online image, it might be sharper than what you are used to seeing it at, or printing at.

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ampguy, I so not used to displaying un-sharpened images.....
But, I understand your thinking....
Get the best you can with what the camera can do "in-camera"..

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you can rotate

also, if someone really wants to, you can use any aspect ratio your camera supports e.g. 16:9, square, [note that you are deviating from nature's optimal ratio...] but please no cropping, and if you think your software to resize to 1600px may be doing anything else, please just send the JPG out of camera unmanipulated by any external computing sources.

For this project, the only reason to downsize to 1600px, the minimum, would be if you had upload restrictions, in which case, you may want to mail me an sd card or other media, and I'll mail it back.


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Ted,

My question was about an image shot in portrait orientation which appears in landscape when opening ooc jpgs. Should we rotate them for you or would you like to do it to make sure there's no manipulation?

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also, if someone really wants to, you can use any aspect ratio your camera supports e.g. 16:9, square, [note that you are deviating from nature's optimal ratio...] but please no cropping, and if you think your software to resize to 1600px may be doing anything else, please just send the JPG out of camera unmanipulated by any external computing sources.

For this project, the only reason to downsize to 1600px, the minimum, would be if you had upload restrictions, in which case, you may want to mail me an sd card or other media, and I'll mail it back.
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Hi Kent

You may rotate it. I will present all images in the orientation submitted (minus exif metadata, during voting period), so please make sure orientation is correct. Thanks.

If anyone is unsure if their software is making any other changes than rotating, please send the OOC image to me, and let me know what should be on top, bottom, left, right.

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My question was about an image shot in portrait orientation which appears in landscape when opening ooc jpgs. Should we rotate them for you or would you like to do it to make sure there's no manipulation?
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Here is the proposed score voting method we will use when we begin displaying the images on 7/1:

I will post the link to all of the images here, the images will be randomized, exif data removed, and have random numbers from 1-x say 1 to 7 if there are 7 images.

Viewers here can post their scores from 0 to 5 like this:

1 - 4
2 - 1
3 - 4
4 - 5
5 - 3
6 - 2
7 - 5

The averages will be tallied. It is possible for a viewer to give all 1s or all 5s, or multiple 5s and 4s as above, and that's OK. RFFers will post their results here, so I don't expect anyone to vote randomly or irresponsibly.

After the voting period is up. The tallies will be posted. Is this good with everyone? There could be ties, but I'm fine with that.
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alright ampguy, i sent an email your way with two submissions. that would be your username @ gmail.com then?
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OK, I did receive them. Thanks. If we decide to go with only one submission, could you let me know which one is your first preference?
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OK, I did receive them. Thanks. If we decide to go with only one submission, could you let me know which one is your first preference?
the one with living things with be my first preference. did you also want a short blurb accompanying the photo? or let the picture speak for itself?
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