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Old 06-27-2015   #1
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Foma 200 and 400

Pretty excited about using this new film (for me anyways). What can I expect? The guy I got it off suggested a similar look to Kodak Plus-X. He also suggested a true speed of 320 for the 400.

Developers? I have Ilfosol 3, DDX, TMax, Rodinal and two Foma devlopers that I got with the film, Fomadon LQN and Fomadon LQR. Any suggestions?

BTW, for Sydneysiders I highly recommend you try http://blanconegro.com.au/store/ for some very keen pricing. The owner Chris is keeping wet printing alive and making available a wide range of Foma products. This is especially important now that Vanbar is no more.



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My mainstay black and white film is foma 400. I tried the 200 and didn't care for it. I expose mine at ISO 250 and develop in d76 1:1 for 7-7.5 mins. Foma 100 isn't bad. I've only tried that at box speed but I may expose at 50 ISO and develop for 6 mins in diluted d76. I do like to pre-soak the film before I develop. It turns the developer blue pretty quickly. I've read a lot about horrible curling problems in 120 but all of the fomapan I've ever used has been pretty flat.
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My mainstay black and white film is foma 400. I tried the 200 and didn't care for it. I expose mine at ISO 250 and develop in d76 1:1 for 7-7.5 mins. Foma 100 isn't bad. I've only tried that at box speed but I may expose at 50 ISO and develop for 6 mins in diluted d76. I do like to pre-soak the film before I develop. It turns the developer blue pretty quickly. I've read a lot about horrible curling problems in 120 but all of the fomapan I've ever used has been pretty flat.
Thanks Preston. Great info.

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I've used quite a lot of the 200 in sheet. It's the best film I've found for platinum printing. It responds exceptionally well to process time adjustments to adjust contrast. Platinum requires a very contrasty net and the 200 can be processed for extended times without blockng details in highlights. I use HC110 and rate at 160. It's also excellent processed normally in HC110 for silver gelatin printing. In either case I rate it at 160 for slightly fuller shadows.

For zone system fans this would be an excellent film.

I never cared for plus x and from my experience don't feel this is anything like PX. I think it's much closer to Super XX.

I've not used much in 35mm but what I did use I liked it.
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I'm actuallt in the process of developing and scanning 11 rolls of Fomapan 400 in 135-format during the weekend. I use Fomapan 400 and Kentmere 400 as my main films, mainly because they're cheap and dry flat.

I use Rodinal/R09 as my developer of convenience and because of its durability. For Fomapan 400 I use 1+50 for 11-12 minutes, E.I 320-400. I'm not so good at the technical side of film developing so I havent done any scientific evaluation of my work flow. It works for me and for the time being I'm happy with that. I scan my negatives on a Minolta Scan Dual III and do the post processing in the computer.

Here is on the the pictures scanned today, with some fast post processing in PS. Camera was Leica M5 with Voigtländer Nokton 35/1.4.:



If you're intrested here are some files in full resolution:
Straight out of the scanner. No P.P (color balance set to auto levels in Vuescan)
http://mb90.tk/pic/fp400_r09_sos.jpg
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The 400 will be grainy; older rolls of this were also very soft - be careful if you wipe the wet emulsion to avoid water spots. The 200 is outstanding, but builds contrast very easily. I've found it works well in a compensating developer; I use D-23 or one of the two-bath variants such as Thornton's two-bath. It also reacts to agitation. If your first results are too contrasty, reduce the number and frequency of agitations and agitate SOFTLY - no martini shaker moves.
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I have not shot 400, but I love 200. It's the closest film I've found to Plus-X, and great if you want a vintage look with lovely mid-tones and rich dark grays. I develop in HC 110 dil h for 7 mins. at 20C, with 30 seconds initial agitation and three inversions per minute thereafter. Here's a sample (more on my flickr):

Healdsberg, CA by bingley0522, on Flickr
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Hi All!

Can anybody post some shots of 200 developed in Acurol-N, Rodinal and/or DD-X?

I'm really looking for a replacment for PX, so Blingley's comment above really interests me!

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Thanks Preston. Great info.

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Glad I could help. Here is a photo with that combination.
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Pretty excited about using this new film (for me anyways). What can I expect? The guy I got it off suggested a similar look to Kodak Plus-X. He also suggested a true speed of 320 for the 400.

Developers? I have Ilfosol 3, DDX, TMax, Rodinal and two Foma devlopers that I got with the film, Fomadon LQN and Fomadon LQR. Any suggestions?

BTW, for Sydneysiders I highly recommend you try http://blanconegro.com.au/store/ for some very keen pricing. The owner Chris is keeping wet printing alive and making available a wide range of Foma products. This is especially important now that Vanbar is no more.


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Thanks for the info. Where in Sydney are they located? I was just about to walk into Vanbar in Melbourne and get 100' of hp5, but at nearly half the cost...
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I've used them both but really only have experience with 400. HC-110h, Rodinal and Arista Liquid Developer have given me what I want, they did take some testing and trail and error. Like someone above I shoot at 200 and tend to use a yellow, orange or red filter in sunlight. I find 400 to be a little blue sensitive. I think 400 is a great indoor or cloudy day film. You will find with a little testing (work) you can enjoy it.

Sunny outdoor no filter:

AristaEDUultra400 Rodinal1+50 by John Carter, on Flickr

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I'm actuallt in the process of developing and scanning 11 rolls of Fomapan 400 in 135-format during the weekend. I use Fomapan 400 and Kentmere 400 as my main films, mainly because they're cheap and dry flat.

I use Rodinal/R09 as my developer of convenience and because of its durability. For Fomapan 400 I use 1+50 for 11-12 minutes, E.I 320-400. I'm not so good at the technical side of film developing so I havent done any scientific evaluation of my work flow. It works for me and for the time being I'm happy with that. I scan my negatives on a Minolta Scan Dual III and do the post processing in the computer.

Here is on the the pictures scanned today, with some fast post processing in PS. Camera was Leica M5 with Voigtländer Nokton 35/1.4.:

If you're intrested here are some files in full resolution:
Straight out of the scanner. No P.P (color balance set to auto levels in Vuescan)
http://mb90.tk/pic/fp400_r09_sos.jpg
Post processed:
http://mb90.tk/pic/fp400_r09_crc.jpg
Great image! Looks nice and gritty in Rodinal which I have. Have you tried pushing. I currently use Tmax 400 if I think I am going to need 1600 but it's getting super expensive.

Thanks for sharing.
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I have not shot 400, but I love 200. It's the closest film I've found to Plus-X, and great if you want a vintage look with lovely mid-tones and rich dark grays. I develop in HC 110 dil h for 7 mins. at 20C, with 30 seconds initial agitation and three inversions per minute thereafter. Here's a sample (more on my flickr):

Healdsberg, CA by bingley0522, on Flickr
I've heard very good things about the 200, hence my excitement. Another vote for a Plus-X alternative. Vintage look is what I like at the moment. Thanks and I'll check in at Flickr.
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Glad I could help. Here is a photo with that combination.
Love the tones in this pic!
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The 400 will be grainy; older rolls of this were also very soft - be careful if you wipe the wet emulsion to avoid water spots. The 200 is outstanding, but builds contrast very easily. I've found it works well in a compensating developer; I use D-23 or one of the two-bath variants such as Thornton's two-bath. It also reacts to agitation. If your first results are too contrasty, reduce the number and frequency of agitations and agitate SOFTLY - no martini shaker moves.
Great advice re: agitation Recommend any of the more commercial devs? Thanks.
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Hi John,
Thanks for the info. Where in Sydney are they located? I was just about to walk into Vanbar in Melbourne and get 100' of hp5, but at nearly half the cost...
I'm actually an hour north on the Central Coast but work in the Sydney area with one location that was close to Vanbar so it was always convenient. Now it's gone, Blanco Negro is in the same area (Redfern). I like to spend my money locally if I can so happy to support them. Also a chance to try some well regarded Foma products.
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I've used them both but really only have experience with 400. HC-110h, Rodinal and Arista Liquid Developer have given me what I want, they did take some testing and trail and error. Like someone above I shoot at 200 and tend to use a yellow, orange or red filter in sunlight. I find 400 to be a little blue sensitive. I think 400 is a great indoor or cloudy day film. You will find with a little testing (work) you can enjoy it.

Sunny outdoor no filter:

AristaEDUultra400 Rodinal1+50 by John Carter, on Flickr

Indoor

Arista EDU Ultra 400 Rodinal 1+50 by John Carter, on Flickr
Thanks John. I like the wide latitude on those two shots. I think I will enjoy testing both films out.
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Thanks John. I like the wide latitude on those two shots. I think I will enjoy testing both films out.
Actually, you hit on my problem when I first used these films (besides the blue sensitivity). I don't like telling people what to do or use, I live in California and we have plenty of people here telling us what to do and use. So maybe I'm a little sensitive to heavy hands. But I use high dilution (whichever developer use) and I agitate very little; also very gentle agitation. So forget the California stuff and test the way you want: best of luck to you.
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I would suggest: Download the Fomapan data sheets from their website which gives already a lot of information about these films. It clearly shows that the FP400 will reach iso 200-250 only in most developers. For the FP200 around iso 160.

For higher iso speed you can use their NEW film: Retropan 320 (Soft) which you can use from iso 320-640 for normal contrast. It is a brand new Fomapan film, so it could be possible it is even not available in Australia yet (or even for the coming months).

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Can anybody post some shots of 200 developed in Acurol-N, Rodinal and/or DD-X?
FP200 in R09/Rodinal E.I. 125:





M7+Elmarit 28mm +Y filter (so in 35mm format).



C.V. Bessa III 667, 6x7cm roll film format.

I can also recommend Xtol/Fomadon Excel W27 (1+1) and/or PC-TEA for this film, E.I. 160.

This FP 200 film reacts in a remarkable way on the Ultra Fine Grain type developer Windisch W665 1+0, E.I. 80-100.



W665 is containing ortho-Phenylene Diamine. This is an 35mm example of FP200. M7 + Summicron F/2,0-50mm.

Some examples in 35mm with Xtol 1+1. Zorki-4K with Jupiter-8 lens:




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About the FP400:

E.I. 250 in Rollei Supergrain 1+9:



C.V. Bessa III 667 in 6x7cm roll film format.

The film has also a more extended Red sensitivity.

For pushing: Not the best film (FP400). Even the FP200 can do better. FP200 is an interesting film because it is a mixture of cubical and hexagonal Silver crystals. FP100 and FP400 have classical cubical Silver crystals only.



FP200 put on an electronic microscope.

For next month a new project about the new Retropan 320 soft. According the spec it must be the best Fomapan film for push processing.
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Great info (and impressive images) Fotohuis! I have my second roll in the dryer as I type and I am really liking it.

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Foma 200 in Fomadon LQN 1:10 7 minutes (rated @ 200 iso)







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These look great John. Is this set with the GF670 in your sig ?
So sharp and clean.
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Well your development seems to be OK. And a suitable subject too for this Summer (or Winter at your place).

Here some more info:
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documenta...kkeltijden.pdf

And for the Foma chemicals:
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documenta...s%207-2006.pdf

Fomadon P W37 is more or less ID11 compatibel. Fomadon Excel W27 Xtol compatibel and Fomadon R09 is Rodinal compatibel.

Microphen and LQN are together with Diafine the only developers for which you can reach (almost) iso 200 with FP200.
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Beautiful work, Fotohuis and John. John, the second photo of yours captures the retro look of Fomapan 200 - nicely done!
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These look great John. Is this set with the GF670 in your sig ?
So sharp and clean.
All are 35mm rolled straight from the can. Taken with a Zeiss Ikon ZM with the 50/1.5 Nokton. Glad you liked them. The film is sharp with a very nice grain. Looking forward to printing them.

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Well your development seems to be OK. And a suitable subject too for this Summer (or Winter at your place).

Here some more info:
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documenta...kkeltijden.pdf

And for the Foma chemicals:
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documenta...s%207-2006.pdf

Fomadon P W37 is more or less ID11 compatibel. Fomadon Excel W27 Xtol compatibel and Fomadon R09 is Rodinal compatibel.

Microphen and LQN are together with Diafine the only developers for which you can reach (almost) iso 200 with FP200.
Thanks for the info. I think I will keep using the LQN, especially if it gives me box speed.

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Thanks. I agree. Here's another two I thought also had that 'look'.



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So far I shot Fomapan 400 in 135 but it's awhile ago and I don't recall what EI I used, or what ISO.

Recently I started shooting LF, with Fomapan 200 @EI100 and developing in Xtol 1+1, the standard Digital Truth development scheme.

For reference on the results that can get, the below (misfocused) pictures:




I had some issues regarding sharpness and focus and even pinholes on the old Anniversary Speed Graphic but there's a Pacemaker Speed Graphic with the Aero-Ektar mounted looking at me right now and all those troubles will be over soon...

Next set of test shots due to check in early next week

I'll be sticking with the Fomapan 200 for a while, I'm liking it a lot.
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So far I shot Fomapan 400 in 135 but it's awhile ago and I don't recall what EI I used, or what ISO.

Recently I started shooting LF, with Fomapan 200 @EI100 and developing in Xtol 1+1, the standard Digital Truth development scheme.

For reference on the results that can get, the below (misfocused) pictures:

I had some issues regarding sharpness and focus and even pinholes on the old Anniversary Speed Graphic but there's a Pacemaker Speed Graphic with the Aero-Ektar mounted looking at me right now and all those troubles will be over soon...

Next set of test shots due to check in early next week

I'll be sticking with the Fomapan 200 for a while, I'm liking it a lot.
Great feel to your shots, Johann. Sharp focus not necessary. I'm normally a sharpness freak but sometimes...

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Pretty excited about using this new film (for me anyways). What can I expect? The guy I got it off suggested a similar look to Kodak Plus-X. He also suggested a true speed of 320 for the 400.

Developers? I have Ilfosol 3, DDX, TMax, Rodinal and two Foma devlopers that I got with the film, Fomadon LQN and Fomadon LQR. Any suggestions?

BTW, for Sydneysiders I highly recommend you try http://blanconegro.com.au/store/ for some very keen pricing. The owner Chris is keeping wet printing alive and making available a wide range of Foma products. This is especially important now that Vanbar is no more.



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Hey John, sorry to be materialistic, but thanks for the link to BlancoNegro - I didn't know about them- and they're about $30 - $40 a roll shipped cheaper than Vanbar for a 30M roll of Foma! That's not a trivial difference. Vanbar seem to want $20 for shipping in Australia versus $10.50 through BN, which is an outrageous difference! Don't need to be in Sydney to benefit from that kind of saving!
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Hey John, sorry to be materialistic, but thanks for the link to BlancoNegro - I didn't know about them- and they're about $30 - $40 a roll shipped cheaper than Vanbar for a 30M roll of Foma! That's not a trivial difference. Vanbar seem to want $20 for shipping in Australia versus $10.50 through BN, which is an outrageous difference! Don't need to be in Sydney to benefit from that kind of saving!
Yeah, it's a great price and supporting a small business.
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Has anyone any experiences or images to share of foma 100/200/400 in Diafine?
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Rollei 35, Fomapan 100 @ iso 200, in Diafine:

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fomapan in rodinal

have always process my fomapan 400 in rodinal, just love how it looks in this combi.

looking at the result of fomapan 200 in rodinal makes me want to try out some of it.

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I'm actually an hour north on the Central Coast but work in the Sydney area with one location that was close to Vanbar so it was always convenient. Now it's gone, Blanco Negro is in the same area (Redfern). I like to spend my money locally if I can so happy to support them. Also a chance to try some well regarded Foma products.
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I picked up a can of 400 last week, keen to get into it. Thanks for the tip.
I'm going to try developing in ID-11 1+1, I'll let you know how I go.
Central Coast is a nice area. My dad grew up at Wamberal, and we holidayed there as kids, beautiful beach.
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Microphen and LQN are together with Diafine the only developers for which you can reach (almost) iso 200 with FP200.
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I picked up a can of 400 **st week, keen to get into it. Thanks for the tip.
I'm going to try developing in ID-11 1+1, I'll let you know how I go.
Central Coast is a nice area. My dad grew up at Wamberal, and we holidayed there as kids, beautiful beach.
No problems Michael,

I haven't shot the 400 yet. Mybe this week. Will look forward to seeing your results.

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No problems Michael,

I haven't shot the 400 yet. Mybe this week. Will look forward to seeing your results.

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Winter in Melbourne, we get lots more opportunity to use 400 speed film!
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