35mm only scanner: inexpensive options?
Old 06-14-2010   #1
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35mm only scanner: inexpensive options?

I intend to get a first-class one later, but right now, I want to get some negatives scanned at home. I just started developing my own BW. Anything out there suitable? We have a solid Toshiba laptop with Windows. We live in a very small cabin. The scanner must be small as possible. Thanks.
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Old 06-14-2010   #2
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I was wondering when that question would come

I recommend either an older used film scanner (like Minolta, etc.), or a new inexpensive flat-bed like from Canon. Budget around US 300 or so, and you should get something very good, Paul. The advantage of a flatbed is that you can easily scan entire rolls, pre-cut in strips.

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Have been happy with my Coolscan 4000, but you need firewire, they give them, and the older models away at camera shows when they appear.

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I have an Epson V500, a flatbed that will take multiple neg sizes. Not exactly your criteria exactly, but I got it from the Epson refurb site for $150. It came looking like new and has performed very well. Refurbs are a good way to cut costs if you're willing to open up your search parameters.
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Old 06-14-2010   #5
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There are inexpensive film scanners from VuPoint, Pacific Image and Plustek, all for less than $300, and all considerably smaller than a flatbed.
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Just ordered a plustek 7600i SE from B&H for like $350. It's small, and has a "real" output of around 3600 (when using theh 7200 setting). I should be getting it tomorrow. Seems to fit your bill pretty well.

Only drawback is that you have to manual advance every frame, so unlike flatbed scanners and the coolscans, you can't scan multiple frames at once.

If you're interested in it at all, send me a PM and i'll let you know how I like it. I'm currently using an epson 4490.

If you have around $800, check out a coolscan 4000 or coolscan V
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you might want to have a look at the reflecta rps 7200, it scans a whole 35mm roll in one batch! I would buy new though, since it seems that the CCD can be erratic in some.
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Old 06-14-2010   #8
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Second hand Canon 35mm scanners seem to be cheaper than Nikon or Minolta, I find it pretty good, if I had my time again though, I'd consider Epson V700, OK, it's huge, but the results you see on Flickr and other sites are superb, also gives the option for medium format at a later date.
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Is there a digicam in the house? If so, check out the set-up in post #13 here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...threadid=87939

That said, my Epson 4490 was $80 on Craigslist. People tend to sell them cheap once they're done digitizing the family Kodachromes.

Besides the 4490 flatbed, I also use a couple of old 35-only scanners. There's not much of a meaningful difference in space requirements, really. The strip scanners take up less storage space but in use, they need almost as much desktop real estate, since they need to run the strip in and out.
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I'd consider a Minolta Scan Dual II - about the size of a shoe box. I use it, and for my purposes it's not too bad to begin with - especially when coupled with Vuescan
If you want to see real world results, then have a look here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4687749629/

and here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4678361210/

The first is XP2, and the latter Fujicolor C200 (i.e. cheap film). Both are pretty much as scanned except for a little dust spotting.

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I used a Minolta Scan Dual IV with Vuescan for a while. It worked well with minium fuss. They're quite cheap these days.
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I'd consider a Minolta Scan Dual II - about the size of a shoe box. I use it, and for my purposes it's not too bad to begin with - especially when coupled with Vuescan
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I still exhibit prints made from files scanned with a Minolta Scan Dual II. They seem to sell now for $100-150. I have tried rescanning with my $2,000 Minolta Multi Pro but cannot see any improvement.

If price is a factor, try a 10 year old film scanner. There have not been great improvements in scanning technology, just marketing hype.
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Cheap, small and temporary: try the Wolverine F2D from Amazon @ $100.00. www.wolverinedata.com
About the size of an electric pencil sharpner.
Low-res results but very easy.
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Recently, I was handed a Nikon Coolscan III, with filmstrip adapter, and the regular slide and neg-film-holder bits, for free from a client. Mind you, I've been using a Minolta DS 5400 (first version) for about six years, but the filmstrip option of the Nikon comes in handy from time to time (alas, only six frames at a time, unlike the Reflecta). I've had a mind to look for cheap/free film scanners like this and offer them to people who could use them, but don't have the scratch to buy one. Stay tuned.


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If price is a factor, try a 10 year old film scanner. There have not been great improvements in scanning technology, just marketing hype.
Yeah... same for digital cameras, computers and smartphones. No improvement in the last 10 years. All marketing hype. Right?
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Roy, nice examples. I remembered the path/grass shot ...
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Yeah... same for digital cameras, computers and smartphones. No improvement in the last 10 years. All marketing hype. Right?
Thats a unfair comparision. I agree with bob on this since their have been only incremental advances on scanners and not the leaps and bounds that other consumer tech has gone through. The late ted harris did a nice comparision once on LF forum for concumer scanners and didn't see much difference.

Here's one on LF homepage

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/scan-comparison/

You can compare images (although it's more centered on large format film). The diferences are not that great.
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Yeah... same for digital cameras, computers and smartphones. No improvement in the last 10 years. All marketing hype. Right?
I stand by my statement. I would ask what has been the most recent technical improvement in scanning technology? Could it have been Digital ICE ten years ago? Certainly not in optics, sensors or software.

There simply has been no market to fund R&D for scanner technology. It is a shrinking market losing manufacturers.

Moore's law certainly applies to computers, smartphones and even digital cameras. But not scanners.
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Don't know why nobody mentions the Polarois Sprintscan 35plus.
Can you read German? Then look here:

http://www.photoinfos.com/Scanner/Po...scan35plus.htm

This guy has tested the Polaroid against a Nikon Coolscan 4000 ED.
Conclusion: the Polaroid does a better job with classic b/w emulsions like APX and TRI-X. It can be bought in the US for next to nothing. That's why I decided to order 2, because I thought it would be better to have a spare scanner. That was 4 years ago. The scanner prooved to be very reliable and fast (30 sec. for a 2700 dpi scan). The results I get are great!
The only downside is you need a SCSI adapter in your PC. The scanner then works perfect with vuescan. 2700 dpi gives you about 10mp, enough to print A3. Should be available in the US for no more than $50. If you can get one w/o the negative strip holder, you can contact me. I have a dozen brand new ones in stock.

Examples:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3944596382/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3156907460/




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I just found new v300s for $76 and $81. Not bad ...
I've been using a V200 with Vuescan for Linux for a while now and I'm very happy with the results.

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Roy, nice examples. I remembered the path/grass shot ...
Thanks - did you decide what to get yet?
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Leaning toward the v300.
I already have PhotoShop downloaded.
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I have seen the Nikon and other 35mm scanners at shows for a few hundred dollars, and I modified my strip feeder to take full rolls, now if I can just get the processors to stop cutting my film. ;-)

My uber tech guy tells me almost all scanners run great with Linux -- made me think about a dedicated set up-- but I am the uber procrastinator, -- have no idea if I will ever get around to scanning all that needs to be scanned.

I did scan a lot of my slides that I use at work, beats carrying the 8 trays of slides for my Geo class, along with the projector, and finding someone to change the trays for me.

My local shop got a Coolscan 5000, which is, as I understand it, the same as the 4000 but USB in place of firewire, modified the strip feeder, and put the Konica scanner away, the Konica is still a good scanner, but he had trouble getting it to work with the software on a newer computer and this was the easier path as we have similar skills in tech stuff.

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I have seen the Nikon and other 35mm scanners at shows for a few hundred dollars, and I modified my strip feeder to take full rolls, now if I can just get the processors to stop cutting my film. ;-)
Back up a bit: which scanner did you mod the strip feeder on? The Nikon Coolscan III I was given recently came with the optional filmstrip feeder, which of course only handles strips up to six frames. If there's a reliable means of modding this to scan an entire uncut roll, I'd love to know about it.

As far as getting your lab to stop cutting up your negs, just keep asking, emphatically. My local CVS now has my M.O. down cold. Their lab has low staff turnover, so they know me well enough to remember my preferences (process-only, uncut). At worst, I only need remind them once. No problems.


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I love flatbeds for quickly scanning a roll. My Epson 4490 gives fine output and I can batch 12 shots at a time. For prints, I recently got a Minolta Scan Dual IV, and although I don't see that much more detail from it its dynamic range, contrast and color reproduction are much better. Files just look much better from the dedicated scanner. Also, it's very small. Vuescan is great too, but I prefer to take a TIF into Capture NX for finetuning.
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The HP s20/s20xi scans 35mm film and slides plus photos up to 5x7".
Compact, uses modern USB connection and works with Windows XP.
These typically sell for under $100 in good used condition on eBay.

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Back up a bit: which scanner did you mod the strip feeder on? The Nikon Coolscan III I was given recently came with the optional filmstrip feeder, which of course only handles strips up to six frames. If there's a reliable means of modding this to scan an entire uncut roll, I'd love to know about it.

As far as getting your lab to stop cutting up your negs, just keep asking, emphatically. My local CVS now has my M.O. down cold. Their lab has low staff turnover, so they know me well enough to remember my preferences (process-only, uncut). At worst, I only need remind them once. No problems.


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The main thing in the 4000/5000 is that the strip feeder sets the highest number to 6, if you can set it to 38 or so, it feeds the entire roll through and pulls them back one at a time, filing the scans as it goes, i.e. acting like a full roll feeder, SA 26?.

The modification I first saw involved taking the strip feeder apart and soldering two of the pins on a circuit board. A later one just had a thin wire bent in to an oval to connect the right pins without even opening up the feeder, and though I can think of no reason to do so, it could be reversed.

My friend's shop just uses plastic bins and microfiber cloth to catch the film. The feeders, as you know, are expensive, I paid more for the multi slide feeder than I paid for the scanner.

It has been posted here I am fairly certain, and probably a Google search should turn up the guys site.

It should work if they take the same feeder? I am certain someone here should know what the facts are.

I have a photo of the modification somewhere on my hard drive, if you email me, I will try to look it up and attach it to a reply.

The website I am thinking of had a lot of information on scanning in general, and using vuescan and Nikon software with the Coolscans.

Sorry I do not have the information at hand.

There are people I hear that prefer the firewire connection, my scanner had the card for my computer included, and when I swap out my desktop, I will look for one with firewire, or an open slot. Does Sony use another name for it?


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