to return, or not return?
Old 11-10-2005   #1
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Angry to return, or not return?

hello all

the expected summaron 35/3.5 arrived in the mail... with unexpected issues

the lens was advertised as a "user" recently CLA'ed

true to the description, it is obvious that the lens has been CLA'ed... but by a drunk perhaps; dirty screw marks all over the wrench slot and set screws of the internal barrel, AND black paint cover-up after fact...

slight haze in one of the element, coupled with resident dusts

plus the aperture ring does not click stop positively... as if some internal parts is not placed as of specifications

2 options i have:
to have it serviced and mend by my local repairperson, and have partial refund

or
to return it to the seller and have the loss of one-way shipping

any comment?

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Old 11-10-2005   #2
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If the seller will agree to refund your money immediately, I'd return it. Don't do what the seller obviously hopes you'll do by keeping it.

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Old 11-10-2005   #3
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That is truly a bummer, but I agree with Walker. Go for the refund and look elsewhere.

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Old 11-10-2005   #4
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I would return it. If the aperture click stops are not positive, something inside may be broken or missing, and that could be an expensive repair.
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Old 11-10-2005   #5
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anyone heard Tamakin Photo in NY City?
the seller said the lens was serviced there
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Old 11-10-2005   #6
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Yeah, I have heard of Tamarkin and really hope that that is not an example of their repair work. I too would return the lens for a refund from the seller. Link to Tamarkin http://www.tamarkin.com/ . Maybe it is some other Tamarkin?

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Old 11-10-2005   #7
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RE-TURN that junker. You'll regret it if you don't.
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Old 11-10-2005   #8
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I would return it and lose the cost of return mail. Always need to factor that in when buying through the net. Some sellers dont even refund the shipping.
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Old 11-10-2005   #9
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No brainer. Return it!

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Old 11-10-2005   #10
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I had a non-working Canonet reaching my doorstep. The seller said it was working. When it came, I put a battery in it and it was deader than a nail. Not only that, it was unworkable (aperture ring not moving, shutter release button stuck... a real piece of work). I contacted the seller, who tried to get out from taking it back by claiming that his sale said "As Is." It didn't, so he had to admit it and take it back.

The bu**er charged me $15 for shipping. He only paid $8. I paid that much to send it back and it took him 2 weeks to Paypal back $30. But at least got my pride.

This was a much higher expense. Check the ad/auction, and take him up to his word if he didn't offer it "as is." In fact, he should have offered a copy of the invoice of the repair.

Send it back. And tell the guy we said you should.
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Old 11-10-2005   #11
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All the symptoms you describe sound like the results of "amateur repair." The trouble with that is that there's no telling what ELSE might be wrong.

If it were some ultra-rare lens you might only get one chance in a lifetime to buy, it would be different, but 35/3.5 Summarons aren't all that difficult to come by. I vote with those who say bung it back.
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Old 11-10-2005   #12
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Send it back. And tell the guy we said you should.
And post the serial number, so we can watch out for it when it appears on eBay again.
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Old 11-11-2005   #13
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One more vote in favour of a return.
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Old 11-11-2005   #14
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There is no reason to pay good money for a piece of junk.

Return the lens and forget about the irritation of the return shipping expense. Sometime in the future you'll find a real barain and this disappointment will be forgotten.
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Old 11-12-2005   #15
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hello all,

thanks for the post
i have notified the seller that i will return
now one more detail, do i send the junk to them first or he should have give me the money first before i ship?

you see i send him money first before he ship; what is the usual practice for these kind of return?

i will post the S/N when all things settled

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Old 11-12-2005   #16
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You know, there are a lot of lenses out there, and there's no reason for you to have to purchase one in poor condition. Hope everything works out well for you!
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Old 11-12-2005   #17
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In general you have to return goods before you get a refund. Make sure that you get evidence sent back to you that the package was received at the other end.

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Old 11-12-2005   #18
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Return it ...
1) insured;
2) with signature confirmation (USPS) or tracking confirmation (FEDEX or UPS)

Then you will be refunded. But all this assumes you can trust the seller, otherwise you are out both the lens and your money. Given that he has already been less than forthright about the CLA condition of the lens, it is a tough call. Do you feel he is honorable enough to return your money upon your return of the lens?

Hope it works out for you, that is most unfortunate.
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Old 11-13-2005   #19
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hello tom

your comment point to the core of the issue, you know, down to the point
the seller respond my mails promptly; nevertheless he sounds like he is getting a bit impatient
it was me being careless not to have asked the serial number and the CLA invoice though...

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Old 11-13-2005   #20
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Just return it, and without delay.
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Old 11-13-2005   #21
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I understand the hesitation to return. I just bought a hasselblad 110mm f/2 lens, and I bought it before I bought the body, so I did not think to check the aperture blades. The lens itself was in great shape -- perfectly clear glass, no dust, not much wear on the lens, smooth focus and so on. That said, when the camera arrived and started shooting with it, the aperture blades did not stop down at all. After playing with it for an hour, they finally released, and they were covered in oil. Whoops. Luckily I bought it in person and have a guarantee so I can just go back there, but if the seller refuses to repair it or give a discount, then I will be really upset. I LOVE the lens and the price I bought it for, so I don't want to have to hand it over again to a dealer who feels a little shady. Depending on how much the repair costs I might just prefer sending it to a repair person I can trust. It's a dilemma....
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Old 11-14-2005   #22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by existrandom
hello all

the expected summaron 35/3.5 arrived in the mail... with unexpected issues

the lens was advertised as a "user" recently CLA'ed

true to the description, it is obvious that the lens has been CLA'ed... but by a drunk perhaps; dirty screw marks all over the wrench slot and set screws of the internal barrel, AND black paint cover-up after fact...

slight haze in one of the element, coupled with resident dusts

plus the aperture ring does not click stop positively... as if some internal parts is not placed as of specifications

2 options i have:
to have it serviced and mend by my local repairperson, and have partial refund

or
to return it to the seller and have the loss of one-way shipping

any comment?

lee
Retrun it immediately. If the seller hassles you contact your Credit Crad company and file a dispute on the item.
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Old 11-26-2005   #23
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hi all,

this is to update that i took your kind advice and got my refund back,
lost the shipping, the paypal fees and feeling let down somehow of course, but that is the minimum of damage; i am undecided whether the fault is intentional or not, anyway

the lens S/N is 1158749, Summaron 35/3.5 screw mount that take A36 filter
make sure you stay away from it;

thanks again for all of your comment and advice, really!

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Old 11-26-2005   #24
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Tough, but probably the best you could do.
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Old 11-26-2005   #25
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socke,

i reckon so
but these things happen once in awhile i guess, just have to live with it and count it as part of the cost for the "bargain" one fishes in that bay

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Old 12-03-2005   #27
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Angry

yes, good news for me
but perhaps Sad news for another potential buyer:

the seller with the same Ebay Id is putting up for auction what i believe the SAME lens we have been talking about again; without giving the S/N# nor the description about the problems with the aperture ring as last time;

he gives a pic of from the rear which shows the amateurish repairs work he noted, unlike last time, though

you may wish to see it here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUMMARON-35MM-F-...QQcmdZViewItem

cheers and regards!

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Old 12-03-2005   #28
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Thanks for the heads-up. I was looking at this too. Buyer has 100% feedback. Lens liikos nice though.
It's a shame, but glad you got your money back!
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Old 12-05-2005   #29
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zpuskas,

i am glad that my note is of some help; i just did a bit of eye comparion with the sales record here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1

it looks like the seller is selling the SAME lens we concern here, or at least he is using the same pictures;

100% feedback is a reference, but not always a guarantee; i think some of the members here had noted similar observation;

as in my case, the seller and me resolved to not leaving feedback at all; and condition of vintage items is of course, very subjective

good luck to your hunt for the sumaron!

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