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Old 02-11-2019   #41
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For me it’s more digital than film.

I use both an iPad mini and an iPhone 6s.

My last trip to visit our daughter and her family, I did take a M4 with 50 f2 Summicron and only used three rolls of film, all black and white. Haven’t made a single print yet! Did develop the film.

I made holiday photographs for them with my iPad mini. They must of been desperate because two of them appear on their holiday card.

When I travel with film, all black and white now, I haven’t had any issues with TSA and film. Sometimes, if I have medium format they look at the rolls but that’s about it.

I’m a minimalist, the stuff I bring is in a small bag that easily fits under the seat in front of me when flying.

Enjoy your trip.
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For me it’s more digital than film.

I use both an iPad mini and an iPhone 6s.

My last trip to visit our daughter and her family, I did take a M4 with 50 f2 Summicron and only used three rolls of film, all black and white. Haven’t made a single print yet! Did develop the film.

I made holiday photographs for them with my iPad mini. They must of been desperate because two of them appear on their holiday card.

When I travel with film, all black and white now, I haven’t had any issues with TSA and film. Sometimes, if I have medium format they look at the rolls but that’s about it.

I’m a minimalist, the stuff I bring is in a small bag that easily fits under the seat in front of me when flying.

Enjoy your trip.
Thank you! It is very interesting to learn how differently people think about cameras and travel.
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I personally would not carry a film camera for travel nowadays unless it was for the purpose of instant film photography. I have had film ruined by scanning at the airports, four times, and the amount that I shoot on a given trip now makes film impractical.

The trip I returned home from last evening amounted to 570 exposures over the course of a week. That's an awful lot of even 35mm film and processing expenditure, not to mention the additional space and weight of carrying all of it. I used th3 Light L16 on this trip: my whole photographic kit fit easily into a small field pouch along with my phone and wallet...

Digital also allows me to see whether I have achieved what I wanted when I'm far from home while I'm still there to try again.

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

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I am slowly but surely leaving film cameras for photography that is not on trips where I use an airplane. Digital cameras have become so good that film cameras have turned into special projects cameras. I still enjoy using my SWC and Rolleiflex TLR with film, of course.
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I will be visiting my identical twin granddaughters in Texas next month. I will take no film.
Planning to take one carry on bag and one small camera bag with a NEX 6. I will add the 18-55 zoom and a Rokkor 45mm f2 pancake lens in addition to a Panasonic LX-5 with EVF.
Extra batteries a circular polarizer and a 49mm lens hood which fits both NEX lenses. This gives me all the flexibility I should need.
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Digital cameras have become so good that film cameras have turned into special projects cameras. I still enjoy using my SWC and Rolleiflex TLR with film, of course.
......unless of course you print.....in a darkroom.
For me personally, that's a big part of the experience....& why i travel w film caameras....
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My travel kit still consists of one “main” film camera, one m4/3 digital, and a “pocket camera” such as an Oly XA or a Rollei 35. I enjoy film photography too much to give it up, although most film I shoot these days on trips is bw (TMax 400 mainly). But I can see that the digital portion of photographs will grow over time. I really enjoy shooting the Olympus Pen F. It’s small, fast, and the image quality is great. And there is no doubting the convenience of digital. Processing costs for film are going up. I do my own processing of non-C41 bw film, which keeps the overall cost down, but prices of the films I most like to shoot keep rising...

The other lesson I’ve learned is to keep the travel kit simple. Don’t take too many lenses or camera bodies... About 90% of the photos I like to take can be taken with a 50 and 35mm lenses or their equivalents.
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Where are you landing in the US? If NYC, then you should stop off at B&H or Adorama and buy film there, instead of travelling with it. Cheaper I'd guess than Norway, and those are Mecca type places to visit (esp. B&H).
If you are landing in Los Angeles, then a trip to Samys Camera or Freestyle Photo to get film would be most excellent.
I'm sure others could give you advice about other regions.

Bring your MX. You want a permanent record of your trip...
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Where are you landing in the US? If NYC, then you should stop off at B&H or Adorama and buy film there, instead of travelling with it. Cheaper I'd guess than Norway, and those are Mecca type places to visit (esp. B&H).
If you are landing in Los Angeles, then a trip to Samys Camera or Freestyle Photo to get film would be most excellent.
I'm sure others could give you advice about other regions.

Bring your MX. You want a permanent record of your trip...
We are landing in Orlando, Florida, and will be driving up to Georgia to visit friends.

I was in New York City last year for a short visit, and then I purchased film at B&H. I also got all my film developed before returning home. The lab I used, Vista Imaging Group, was very good.
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This place in Orlando may sell film:

http://www.cphfun.com

But I would just bring your own, just in case.
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Ive traveled with numerous combinations of pocket cameras, DSLRs, rangefinders both film and digital. If your previous trips have been good with a Pentax MX and iPhone, it's important to note that very few lower end digital cameras will give you similar quality or 'look' as with the Pentax, so ensure that your expectations match your choice of gear.

The Panasonic LX series is great; I have the LX7, which was the last small sensor LX before they went to m43 and 1" sensors. It's a fantastic camera for general purpose shooting as long as you understand it's a small sensor camera. Having said that, it has dynamic range very similar to my old Canon 30D DSLR, believe it or not.

As was said earlier, low light images with a good digital camera will be much better than with film or an iPhone. An older camera like a Panasonic GF1 or the more recent GM1 with a fast lens will be very serviceable. I regularly use a GM1 as a coat pocket camera with the Olympus 25/1.8 and it's excellent, especially when shooting in raw.

My favourite photographic trips have been with gear that is:
- minimally fiddly
- relatively small
- quick in response
- versatile

On a two week trip to China, I took a Canon G7 and Fuji Natura Black 24mm f1.9 film compact, which turned out to be very versatile. The only drawback was the relatively poor low light performance, which was par for the course in a 2007 small sensor camera. The Panasonic LX7 is way better at low light.

I used to lug around a 30D or 5D Mark II and two compacts, which ultimately became heavy on my shoulder. The versatility and response time was fantastic but it just became too unwieldy, particularly after discovering m43 cameras.

These days, my travel kit is a Leica M9 with 21, 35 and 50, and Panasonic LX10. To translate that to your gear, that's a Pentax MX with 28 and 40, and the small sensor compact of your choice from 2012 onwards (because of the advances in small sensor tech).
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... I am not sure how much of an improvement this would be.

Maybe I should just go for the Pentax MX + iPhone combination? What do you think?...
My experience with all that stuff is that no improvement in my travel photography comes from cameratech.

The better you know your personal photography behaviour the better will be your choice of the right gear for a trip. Film or sensor is not the point here.

An IPhone can be the one and only "whole-trip-camera" as well as a 6x9 Folder or something else. It depends on the user and his preferences.

So I vote for IPhone and one camera you really like to use. The Phone will make sure you won´t miss a picture so the other camera should be a fun to use for you.

Otherwise you won´t take it out, leave it in the bag and you better leave it at home from beginning.

I don´t agree with some here who say that you need another camera for bigger prints. If you are unsure try it yourself!
Make some posters from your IPhone-pictures and look what is in there. There is no limit to make big(gest)
prints from small cameras.

A useable viewfinder and perhaps a telelens could be smart points when you think about the second camera for travel.

But if you want to travel light (as I do) don´t think too much about different technics. Go out, enjoy your trip and have fun. And just shoot
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... A Fuji GA645 is one of the best travel cameras. Amazing quality and light as a feather. Small too.
This is also my pick for traveling. I often add a mju II or a yashica t4, great combo.
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I personally would not carry a film camera for travel nowadays unless it was for the purpose of instant film photography. I have had film ruined by scanning at the airports, four times, and the amount that I shoot on a given trip now makes film impractical.
I have flown between 16,000-32,000 miles per year for the past 12 years. Except for the first two years when I brought digital cameras, I have always had at least 30 rolls of film with me.

Never, not one single time, have I seen so much as a hint of fog on my film, even after multiple rounds of scanning. During one long, extended trip to Europe, I had films scanned over 12 times. All came out 100% perfect.

One time in the Beijing subway system I had the girl at the X ray scanner (yes, they do have those in Chinese subways), scan a test roll off film (TMAX400) 20 times. Developed just fine. I literally tried to ruin a roll of film with Xrays and could not do it.
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I agree. Perhaps an issue many moons ago but not today.
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I am going to travel to the USA later this spring and am planning what camera(s) to bring along for the trip. On my last travels abroad I have brought along only a Pentax MX with a Voigtländer Ultron 40/2, and my iPhone 8 Plus. (I like to travel light). Film for quality shots and iPhone for snapshots. Although I enjoy shooting film, I find travelling with film to be a bit of a hassle (airport security/scanning). e:
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Maybe I should just go for the Pentax MX + iPhone combination? What do you think?
Yes.

During the last 20 years I've always had film cameras with me on my flights. No problems at all with airport x-ray scanners. Including remote locations with old x-ray machines.
I've never had a single problem. All films including ISO 400 color reversal film have been fine.
Important is to have your films in your carry-on / hand luggage.

So as you enjoy shooting film with your Pentax MX, just use it.
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I don't mean to turn this into a film vs digital discussion, but it took me ages of trial and error to figure out that for my purposes, colour negative film was best for good outdoor light and some indoor light, and digital was best for low light. Some really murky images emerged when I tried to use colour neg for low light, low contrast work.


So I'm going to assume that you know the best uses and limitations of your Pentax and iPhone. Even an inexpensive m43 camera will be better than film or iPhone for low light work.
You mentioned a Sigma DP1s - although it's really slow and creaky, it produces images with great dynamic range and a 'film look' which can very nice. Higher ISO's look better now, thanks to Sigma Photo Pro v6 having way better high ISO support. Try it out for a bit and see what you think.
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Traveling with film is only a hassle when you need to take so much of it that it takes up all your carry on space.
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I just looked up Sigma DP1s on flickr, there are a LOT of great images taken with it, even relatively low light images. So definitely consider this as a travel option.

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=sigma%20dp1s
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I just looked up Sigma DP1s on flickr, there are a LOT of great images taken with it, even relatively low light images. So definitely consider this as a travel option.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=sigma%20dp1s
The DP2 Merrill is even better. I loved shooting that camera in low light.

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I have flown between 16,000-32,000 miles per year for the past 12 years. Except for the first two years when I brought digital cameras, I have always had at least 30 rolls of film with me.

Never, not one single time, have I seen so much as a hint of fog on my film, even after multiple rounds of scanning. During one long, extended trip to Europe, I had films scanned over 12 times. All came out 100% perfect.

One time in the Beijing subway system I had the girl at the X ray scanner (yes, they do have those in Chinese subways), scan a test roll off film (TMAX400) 20 times. Developed just fine. I literally tried to ruin a roll of film with Xrays and could not do it.
Good for you, you are lucky. The scanning machines your film was subjected to were adjusted in spec.

I've flown 1.2 million miles in the past twenty five years. I've lost film from maladjusted scanners four times, a few hundred photos from places that I'll never visit again. I'm done with carrying a bin of 30 to 50 rolls of film through the airport scanners and around the world.

Whatever makes you happy. I know what makes me happy.

Do be aware that I love shooting film. I only recently bought yet another film camera (a Leica R6.2) that is a delight, and I probably spend more on film for my Polaroid SX-70s than most people spend for their high-end digital cameras. I just don't use film for travel anymore, unless it is with said Polaroids.

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Two things I've learned from traveling with both film and digital cameras:

1) I tend to shoot a lot more when I travel. Many of the photos are more "here I was" than anything artistic or meaningful to me later. When I get back with a load of film the time to develop and archive these sort of photos feels overwhelming. There is also a certain pressure from others to see the photos in a timely manner.

For these sort of photos, digital is a great option.

2) For the more artistic photos, film or larger sensor digital is the way to go. Personally if I'm going to be in spectacular natural places, medium format is the way to do it. It's big and bulky but the images are just that much better. If it's a once in a lifetime thing, you might want to consider. I just bought a Fuji GFX specifically for medium format travel so I could have a digital option. In the past I took a Mamiya 6 or 7.
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One thing that adds to the difficulty of film these days is the problem you will inevitably have trying to source additional rolls at your destination. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's definitely getting harder to find decent stockists.
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So I'm going to assume that you know the best uses and limitations of your Pentax and iPhone. Even an inexpensive m43 camera will be better than film or iPhone for low light work.
You mentioned a Sigma DP1s - although it's really slow and creaky, it produces images with great dynamic range and a 'film look' which can very nice. Higher ISO's look better now, thanks to Sigma Photo Pro v6 having way better high ISO support. Try it out for a bit and see what you think.
I agree, the Sigma DP1s is a very capable camera, even today. The flickr link has some wonderful images. I much prefer the output of the first generation DP cameras to later models. I once owned a DP2 Merrill, and even though the resolution and detail sharpness was almost unbelievable, I never came to appreciate the overall look of the Merrill foveon images. So I sold the DP2 Merrill, but kept the DP1s.

However, I am not convinced that the Sigma DP1s would be a complement to the Pentax MX + iPhone combo. The Sigma DP1s is not very good at dealing with low light conditions.
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Having read all your comments and advice with great interest, I believe I already now can draw some conclusions:

1. To complement the lacking low light capabilities of the Pentax MX film camera + iPhone combo, I would need to purchase a recent digital compact camera. A Ricoh GR is at the very top of the list for future investments.

2. For the time being I will contradict my opening comment about not wanting to bring along a DSLR for the USA travel, and conclude that the most obvious solution is to bring along my Pentax K-5 with a DA 15mm f4 and the Voigtländer Ultron 40mm f2. This is my everyday digital kit, and although not as compact as other cameras/camera systems, I guess this is my best option right now. So the Pentax K-5 for quality digital files and the iPhone for snap shots

Thank you all for providing such valuable advice! Most appreciated!
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Do be aware that I love shooting film. I only recently bought yet another film camera (a Leica R6.2) that is a delight...

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digression - please do a ‘review’ of the r6.2! I have recently got into the later R cameras, they r very nice machines.
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When and where?
Twice going through Heathrow after training across Europe. Once flying in from Hong Kong to Japan. Once flying from Australia to the US. Dates ... I don't recollect precisely, but smattered between 1990 and 2008. When you're flying as much as I was, specific trip dates are a mish mash in my memory.

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digression - please do a ‘review’ of the r6.2! I have recently got into the later R cameras, they r very nice machines.
Okay, I will .. but not in this thread as it is off topic for the thread. I'll try to post something a bit later today.

Capsule summary: The Leica R6.2 is kind of what I always loved about my Nikon FM2, plus a bit, with even better lenses. It's a sweet complement to my Leicaflex SL body...

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One thing that adds to the difficulty of film these days is the problem you will inevitably have trying to source additional rolls at your destination. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's definitely getting harder to find decent stockists.
....they are small enough to carry lots.. just like carrying the charger & spare battery for your digital machine...
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....they are small enough to carry lots.. just like carrying the charger & spare battery for your digital machine...
Interesting thesis.



On the left is enough 35mm film to cover making 430 35mm film camera exposures. It weighs about a pound and a half. I could take the film out of the boxes, mark the canisters with expiration dates, etc etc, and save a little on the package size and weight. Still only got 430 exposures, no power if my camera needs batteries, two ISO settings, etc.

On the right is everything I need to carry with my Light L16 to make an infinite number of exposures. It weighs about 5 ounces. The Light L16 has storage on board for about 1500 exposures without deletion (one charge records about 600 exposures, but I never let it go that low) and supports ISO 50 to ISO 3200 on a frame by frame basis. If I was referring to my Leica CL (ISO 100 to ISO 50000), I'll add a 128G SD card, another third of an ounce or so, and that would be sufficient power and storage for 2500 exposures without deletion. I could add another ten cards (about enough to fill one 35mm film box) and have enough storage with me to record 25000 exposures.

So: For the digital camera, I must carry the equivalent of about one roll of film worth of power and storage accessories for a near infinite number of photo making opportunities. For the film camera, I'll need another roll of film every 36 exposures, need whatever batteries the camera might or might not need. And I have to send those rolls of film through potentially damaging machinery, protect it from light, etc etc.

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....they are small enough to carry lots.. just like carrying the charger & spare battery for your digital machine...
I don't know how much you shoot, but if you perhaps budget two or maybe three rolls a day then the space required in your bag for film soon starts to add up for any trip longer than a couple of weeks.
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yes, a pound and a half will break your back. so you can make 2500 exposures...out of which you'll delete how many?
all the 128 SD cards won't help either if darkroom output is your final goal ;-)
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Having read all your comments and advice with great interest, I believe I already now can draw some conclusions:

1. To complement the lacking low light capabilities of the Pentax MX film camera + iPhone combo, I would need to purchase a recent digital compact camera. A Ricoh GR is at the very top of the list for future investments.

2. For the time being I will contradict my opening comment about not wanting to bring along a DSLR for the USA travel, and conclude that the most obvious solution is to bring along my Pentax K-5 with a DA 15mm f4 and the Voigtländer Ultron 40mm f2. This is my everyday digital kit, and although not as compact as other cameras/camera systems, I guess this is my best option right now. So the Pentax K-5 for quality digital files and the iPhone for snap shots

Thank you all for providing such valuable advice! Most appreciated!
Hmmm, why not a fast lens for the Pentax? There's a standard f/1.2 from memory...

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The Voigtländer Ultron 40mm f2.0 is a very good piece of glass, and it is a "pancake" design. The SMC Pentax A 50mm f1.2 is legendary, but more than twice the size (and weight) of the Voigtländer. I also find the 40mm FOV more useful on aps-c cameras than 50mm. Furthermore there is really no need for fast lenses on the Pentax K-5 due to its wide DR and excellent low light capabilities.
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The Pentax 50/1.4 is a legend too, and it is lighter than the 50/1.2.
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Old 02-12-2019   #77
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The Pentax 50/1.4 is a legend too, and it is lighter than the 50/1.2.
I have the Pentax M 50mm f1.4 and, like you say, it is lighter (and much smaller) than the 50mm f1.2.
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yes, a pound and a half will break your back. so you can make 2500 exposures...out of which you'll delete how many?
all the 128 SD cards won't help either if darkroom output is your final goal ;-)
LOL! I only rarely make more than 300-400 exposures per week on a trip. I always budget to have at least twice that in storage capacity when traveling "just in case" ... So I'd need twice the amount of film I showed in that photo to do just a single week trip. But I can't have ISO 50, ISO 100, ISO 200, ISO 400, ISO 800, ISO 1600, and ISO 3200 film available at will with film at all unless I shoot with single sheet film cameras, or carry eight cameras.

And yes: another extra pound will ultimately break my back. Particularly when I'm riding a bicycle, where I measure whether I want a particular thing with me based on how many grams it weighs.

This whole film vs digital thing is just [email protected]@kng nonsense, you understand. I carry what I like and want to make photographs with. I couldn't give a single [email protected] about "darkroom output" ... I haven't used a darkroom for anything other than the storage of boxes since 1992.

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I have the Pentax also as a Leica M adapted lens. It is a great lens.
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Interesting thesis.

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On the right is everything I need to carry with my Light L16 to make an infinite number of exposures. ........
How is that camera? Never got to hold or even see one yet.
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