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Finally!! The instant camera we want!
Old 02-10-2018   #1
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Finally!! The instant camera we want!

I am looking for a serious, more sophisticated and better quality instant camera for Fujifilm instax wide format for years.

Looks very promising:
https://www.thephoblographer.com/201...s-instax-wide/

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https://mint-camera.com/about-instantkon-rf70

That could it finally be......let's hope so :-).
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Old 02-10-2018   #2
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This looks awesome. I hope for MINT that other people are more willing to spend serious dough on instant photography than I am.
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Old 02-10-2018   #3
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This is interesting. For instant film shooters (me), something to keep track of.

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Old 02-10-2018   #4
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Thinking about it, they could probably sell more if they also offered a 120 film version or, even greater, a 120 back for the Instax camera. In the latter case I'd be willing to cash out.
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Interesting but it looks very early in the design/testing phase. The wind/shutter release looks more for show than use. Shutter speed dial is somewhat suspect too.

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Old 02-10-2018   #6
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It would probably be hard to get the film plane in the same position as a film holder but it would be nice to have a back for Instax Wide for 4X5. I'd like to see an all manual print eject with crank too. Just one less complication.
I've seen quite a few conversions of Fuji's Wide 300 instax cameras, hacking a 4X5 lens with helical onto them, probably a lot less expensive as this is sure to be but no RF of course.
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All I'm seeing on the "About Instantkon RF70" page is the title on a grey background, and if you go to the Mint home page (which isn't linked to the new camera page), there is no mention of the RF70.

I do like what I see in that video though. It will be about a$500 camera from what I see of the other models.

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Looks like it's got a separate viewfinder and rangefinder windows. Not too big of a problem. With instant film you tend to slow down even more than with 120 film and it should keep the costs down. But with the hinted price of around $1000 it will test the Instax enthusiasts'... enthusiasm.
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All I'm seeing on the "About Instantkon RF70" page is the title on a grey background, and if you go to the Mint home page (which isn't linked to the new camera page), there is no mention of the RF70.
Just use this:
https://mint-camera.com/about-instantkon-rf70

Write your email address, and just some minutes later you'll get a link to a page with much more information!
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Old 02-10-2018   #10
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I believe it when I one in my hands.
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Old 02-10-2018   #11
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Video reveals it's got a 90mm f5.6 glass lens.
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I believe it when I one in my hands.
Kickstarter, Indegogo, and TheCrouwdFundingCenter all have funding pipelines open wondering when they will get their product.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...shica/comments

Cool but I also remember Digifilm from some years back.....

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I'm game if this becomes reality!

Something I know a lot of us have been waiting for.

If they can keep it under 1000$ USD they've got atleast one sold!
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5.6 lens with the Instax 800 ISO film is fine.
If this camera is a high quality piece, then the $1000 price is not out of line. Even though I would like it to be $500! The last offering of the Fuji GF670 sold for $2000. Just because a camera uses instant film does not make it cheaper.
I have several Instax mini cameras and they are fun, but the images are too small. And the Instax Wide film begs for a serious camera to make full use of that film size. Hopefully MiNT is the answer.
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I believe it when I one in my hands.
They have brought that Instax TLR to the market. It seems plastic-y and too expensive, but they are definitely able to make stuff... they've got the back figured out etc., so with this one, I'm more inclined to believe it'll happen than some other projects.
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Kickstarter, Indegogo, and TheCrouwdFundingCenter all have funding pipelines open wondering when they will get their product.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...shica/comments

Cool but I also remember Digifilm from some years back.....

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Wait, do the MiNT-people have anything to do with that?
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Wait, do the MiNT-people have anything to do with that?
I don't know, frankly I hope not.

My concern is that less than reputable folks see a pattern and copy it. It's not hard. The MiNT folks might have figured out there is a niche with a bit larger pocks interested in this sort of camera.

When I look at the pictures with a critical eye I don't see but a very thin wire connection between the body and the lens in the front. I see a shutter release inside the wind lever on the body (looking early Leica M-ish) and a shutter speed dial next to it. So if you select the shutter speed on the dial it needs to signal the shutter speed around the lens. Not impossible, but pretty fancy engineering. There was some technology that flipped an LCD panel from opaque to transparent a few years back, that could work as an electronic shutter, but I doubt the thin wire could be power and signalling.

With the exception of the approach of the old Mamiya Six, I don't see any way to focus with the help of what appears to be a rangefinder.

It just feels very similar to the silliness.

From the opposite side, they could just be testing the water to see how much interest there is in this sort of camera before they throw a lot of time and money into the engineering.

I bet you could spend a lot less cash on getting a fuji back made for a baby speed graphic (2.25x3.25). A few finder masks and you have a bit bigger but very functional camera.

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Interesting that the shutter speed dial seems to be sourced from a digital Leica.
And what is the film wind lever for? To cock the shutter?
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it’s to eject the film.
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Nate does a very good job with conversions. I routinely use the 110B polaroid converted for Instax Wide. See: http://www.instantoptions.com/shop/instax/ if interested in his work. I am a fan.
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Nate no longer has backs to do the instax conversion. It's been a good while since he has been able to do this, atleast that's what I was told.
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Nate no longer has backs to do the instax conversion. It's been a good while since he has been able to do this, atleast that's what I was told.
As of today it's still possible to buy a Belair Instax Wide back from Lomo but only as part of a complete Belair Instant Camera kit at $329. So Nate would have to raise the price for his conversion by more than $200, which many (most?) buyers will find prohibitive.
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Nate no longer has backs to do the instax conversion. It's been a good while since he has been able to do this, atleast that's what I was told.
I bought my Land 250 from Nate. He adjusted/modified it to be ready for use.
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Film is alive! What a great video, Thanks for sharing! what a great instant camera I think it
takes better pictures than the Polaroid.
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For someone who doesn't have backs to do a conversion with, Nate's web site is still full of converted ones, so I guess he used them all up, and has lots of finished stock to move. But then it still says he can convert your camera.

I'm still torn as to getting my 110B made into a 4x5, but if the bellows of the EE100 wasn't crap, I'd be more than glad to have it converted to Instax Wide.

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Old 02-10-2018   #26
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MiNT produces excellent cameras. I have two of their Polaroid SX-70-based cameras (the 670m and 670a) and both are top notch performers in the instant camera world. (And now that the Impossible Project has become Polaroid Original, with more resources being put to perfecting the film, they really produce wonderful photos.)

If Gary is making an Instax 210 based RF camera, it will be excellent. My Lomo Instant Square arrived and the Fuji Instax film is truly top notch.

So ... all the naysayers ***-pooing a solid, innovative little company that's doing something positive for FILM photography are just chewing off their own feet. Yet again. How ridiculous is that?

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MiNT produces excellent cameras. I have two of their Polaroid SX-70-based cameras (the 670m and 670a) and both are top notch performers in the instant camera world. (And now that the Impossible Project has become Polaroid Original, with more resources being put to perfecting the film, they really produce wonderful photos.)

If Gary is making an Instax 210 based RF camera, it will be excellent. My Lomo Instant Square arrived and the Fuji Instax film is truly top notch.

So ... all the naysayers ***-pooing a solid, innovative little company that's doing something positive for FILM photography are just chewing off their own feet. Yet again. How ridiculous is that?

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Thank you for sharing your first-hand experience with the MINT cameras. Good to read!

I am looking forward to this new Instax wide camera from MINT.

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Old 02-11-2018   #28
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Here is the video of the camera
https://youtu.be/l9MGpcBgbvI?t=8m

Gary hinted it will be slightly pricier than SLR670S.
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^cool was about to post the same link.

I was watching that a couple of days ago and was wondering if the guys from Mint were planning to release it.
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So, what do we know so far?
Name: MiNT InstantKon RF70
Format: Fijifilm Instax Wide
Lens: MINTOPTIC ASPHERICAL LENS 1:5.6 WITH GLASS F=93mm
Target release date: mid-2018

What we can guess from the video and the site:
Shutter: electronic central shutter 1-1/500 s
Focusing: rangefinder with separate viewfinder
Price: "slightly more" than 730 USD

From "with glass" label I guess it's not all glass, probably the aspherical element is plastic.
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I always welcome innovations about instant photography. Personally I feel to be a "loyal Impossible User" and I have some resistance to switch to a new different format (I know it's something irrational!) and I had preferred such a camera aimed to the new improved Polaroid (Impossible) film.

And as I daily repeat to myself I do not need another camera, I do not need another camera, I do not need..., I do not...

But it's good MINT starts a project like this, let's see what happens...

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out of curiosity, how many here have shot with Mint's Instantflex TL70?
tempted on giving it a try as i love TLRs.
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I haven't. But I've shot enough of Instax Mini that I know that it isn't worthy of a $100 camera let alone a camera that costs much more. And that is only because of the ridiculously small size (for a final finished picture).

IMHO, of course.
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Well, I just finished my first pack of Fuji Instax Square film in the Lomo Instant Square camera.
  • I'm delighted with the film: The color and sharpness is really good, much like Polaroid SX-70 was in the past (and hopefully will be again once the new films are completely sorted—they're definitely getting there with every successive generation!).
  • The smaller size square prints are charming in their own right. Size isn't everything. I do prefer the larger SX-70 format, but eh? there's lots to love regardless.
  • The Lomo Instant Square is obviously built to a price and kinda cheap feeling, but it works very well with good controls and consistent operation.

A format comparison (sizing keep to the relative pixel dimensions, same post-scan processing on all other than the cropping—just minimal tone curve adjustment):


180212-01
Lomo Instant Square - Instax SQ



180212-02
MiNT Polaroid SLR670a - Impossible 600 Color (gen3)



180212-03
Polaroid Spectra - Impossible Spectra B&W (gen2)



180212-04
Hasselblad 500CM - Polaroid 100 back - Fujifilm FP-100c

The MiNT InstantKon RF70 is another departure in format ... It's kind of like Polaroid Spectra vs Polaroid SX-70. But with my experience using MiNT's other instant film creations, and what I see coming in its design, I will almost have to buy one when they ship. It fits in perfectly with my increasingly odd, niche style, working camera collection.

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Does it matter that a professional photographer cannot use film to make a living?
It is irrelevant to the hobbyist film user.
Like asking Volkswagen AG to bring back the air-cooled Bug.
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I'm sorry MiNT, I confused you folks (who seem to do a GREAT job) with the folks who are trying to bring out a camera under the Yashica monikor.

The folks who own the rights to Yashica have the sent of gannif all over them.

MiNT does not.

Again, MiNT, I'm sorry to have conflated them with you.

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out of curiosity, how many here have shot with Mint's Instantflex TL70?
tempted on giving it a try as i love TLRs.
I found useful YouTube channels. On Photography Concentrate different camera's using the mini format were compared including the TL70. Also a lot of information from Robert Hamm Photography about the TL70. After watching all this videos my conclusion was that the TL70 is great for portraits but most of my photos are in landscape mode. But if you love using a TLR and don't mind the mini format, it's an option to consider.

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I think the last time I've been so excited for a new camera was the Fuji X100S

watch the RF70 in action on this YT video by Mijonju
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW4KBniSLg4
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I think the last time I've been so excited for a new camera was the Fuji X100S

watch the RF70 in action on this YT video by Mijonju
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW4KBniSLg4
Nice. I'll likely have to have one too... of course. There are worse addictions in the world.

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I'm afraid that one thing that Gary Ho posted in Update #3 (Feb 26) raised a yellow flag for me:

There is one point I have to make clear: InstantKon RF70 will not be as good as the custom Polaroid conversions in terms of lens quality and image quality.

There's certainly plenty of room for the lens to be better than the ones on the Fuji 210/300 and the Lomo Wide while still not being so good as a 127mm Ysarex, let alone the late-model view camera lenses that end up on some conversions. But if it's not a lot closer to the Ysarex than to the plastic lenses on the low-end cameras, I think price starts to become an issue.

Here's hoping...
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