Old 02-12-2017   #41
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For home development and scanning, a 24 roll means one pass only of the Epson *** scanner....
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Old 02-12-2017   #42
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24 is more of an appropriate "portion size" for me. It's also what the retailers around here stock. I actually used quite a few of the 20 shot rolls when they were around.
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Old 02-12-2017   #43
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There use to be 12 exp for a short time. It was a weekend roll for those who wanted to see results fast. Or for those who do not have a darkroom & scissors or Leica Knife.

Now we have SD cards-progress
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If he price of the film and developing were one third less, I'd totally jump on board. I have one 35mm camera and there's nothing like having half a roll of Neopan 1600 in there when you want to switch to Velvia. (I midroll rewind a lot. I'd like to avoid this.)
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Old 02-12-2017   #45
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From the reponses so far I get the impression the question should have been "why 36 exp are the only one found?".
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Old 02-12-2017   #46
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I always use 24 exposure roll. It's easier to contact a full roll on a 8x10 paper sheet.
I put the negative in a negative page which holds seven 35mm strips of 4 frames, 28 frames total.
Contact prints on 8"x10" paper. Same paper size as my 120 negative contacts.

Good point. You can't fit 36 or more 35mm frames on a single contact printed 8" x 10" proof sheet.

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There use to be 12 exp for a short time.
I've seen 135-12 in Japan in the 1990s - I don't know whether it was part of the half-format niche that was rather peculiar to Japan, or whether that came along the fast turnaround instant lab culture of the nineties (where any Tokyo suburb seemed cluttered with more 1/2 hour turnaround minilabs than all Germany).
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Why do 24-exposure rolls of 135 still exist? Because they are being manufactured faster than they can be used up. Simple!! Any other questions?
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I've seen 135-12 in Japan in the 1990s - I don't know whether it was part of the half-format niche that was rather peculiar to Japan, or whether that came along the fast turnaround instant lab culture of the nineties (where any Tokyo suburb seemed cluttered with more 1/2 hour turnaround minilabs than all Germany).
The half framed thing must have been something in Japan. Fuji 6x9 sport a 4exp half-120 selection -- supposedly niche but well enough spread to become a permanent fixture of a camera.

12exp does seem more niche but perhaps quite a bit was produced towards consumers, look for some expired ferrania and there were quite a bit 12 exp rolls.




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That was my favorite size. Even with digital I rarely shoot more than 20 shots per shoot.

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When I roll my own b/w I do a few rolls of 20 frames. When I go out with a special purpose with b/w I want to shoot the film and get it developed as soon as I can, so I don't want to get in a spot where I run out of subjects and I still have film left. So I won't waste it.
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One nice feature I like about a 36 exposure roll is when I finally finish it, I'm usually surprised the photos I made at the beginning of the roll.
+1 for this answer Bill.

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I like 36 and if a roll needs to be finished right away, I test something: lens, lighting, DOF, etc.
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FWIW, I only shoot 24s. One of the pleasures of bulk loading, in fact, is that I can do even fewer. I like to shoot Eggleston-style, just one or two tries at a shot and you're done. It's hard for me to get through 36!
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24 is great when trialling a new to me emulsion and also when someone is thoughtful enough to buy a half brick of film for me and doesn't know the difference between 24 and 36. Otherwise I always buy 36 and like the savings from the larger quantity. (Economies of scale).
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I always buy 24 exp rolls instead of 36 exp rolls. The main reason is due to my height: I'm only 5'3" and when I carry the developed negatives to the dryer at the darkroom I use, they drag on the floor if I use a 36 exp roll. This is a no-no. When I use a 24 exp roll, I can hold one end of the film in my hand with my arm stretched above my head, and the wet, freshly developed negatives won't touch the floor when I walk over to the dryer.
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I definitely remember 12 shot rolls in the mid 2000s. I used them for quickie test rolls when getting the GIII and Mamiya fixed up and ready.
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I prefer 24 or 12 exposure rolls for use with my half frame cameras. I get bored easily having to go through a 72 frames roll with them.
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Because they are being manufactured faster than they can be used up. Simple!! Any other questions?
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I've seen 135-12 in Japan in the 1990s - I don't know whether it was part of the half-format niche that was rather peculiar to Japan, or whether that came along the fast turnaround instant lab culture of the nineties (where any Tokyo suburb seemed cluttered with more 1/2 hour turnaround minilabs than all Germany).
I've bought fresh 12exp rolls as recently as 3 or so years ago. AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 (or was it 400?) in local Müller.
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I always buy 24 exp rolls instead of 36 exp rolls. The main reason is due to my height: I'm only 5'3" and when I carry the developed negatives to the dryer at the darkroom I use, they drag on the floor if I use a 36 exp roll. This is a no-no. When I use a 24 exp roll, I can hold one end of the film in my hand with my arm stretched above my head, and the wet, freshly developed negatives won't touch the floor when I walk over to the dryer.
Fantastic. I would never have thought of this!
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When I use a 24 exp roll, I can hold one end of the film in my hand with my arm stretched above my head, and the wet, freshly developed negatives won't touch the floor when I walk over to the dryer.
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I wish the short rolls were 20 instead of 24, but that's because my favorite camera to shoot is a Argus C33. it was made when short rolls were 20 Exposures. the film counter can only be manually set when the back is open, so they made the counter gear with a couple slots in it, and there is a peg molded into the back door that fits in those slots, so you have to set the counter to either 20 or 36 in order to be able to close the back of the camera. Argus did fix this design when they came out with the later Autronic series, they got rid of the peg on the door , and made a cut out in the back door so you can rotate the counter manually to set it once the back is closed. So I only shoot 36 exposure rolls with the camera. Would be nice to be able to use 24 also, since I get 24 exp. rolls cheap at Mall Wart.
Back in the 1930's and 40s the short rolls were 18 exposures, half of a full 36 roll.
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Old 06-29-2017   #65
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Why not have both? Home developers/scanners have the convenience of the 24 and us lazy folks who outsource it get more value!
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I never understood why they changed from 20 exposures to 24. If a 20 exposure roll is good because it's shorter, then why make it longer?
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The longest roll that my Xpan shoots is 21 exposures.
From a 36 exp roll.
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I once accidentally bought some 24 exposure rolls.
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I prefer 24 too, easier to hang for drying and quicker out of the camera. I hope the EPA doesn't outlaw 24 exposures.
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and what's with the number of exposures in disposable cameras ; )

My local mom & pop camera shop told me I was their only 135 format SLR / RF customer. All other film they process is from disposable cameras.
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I prefer 24 too, easier to hang for drying and quicker out of the camera. I hope the EPA doesn't outlaw 24 exposures.
No worries, as long as you can prove some local coal is used during the production they'll be fine...
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I normally bulk load my film and most of the time I do 24 exp rolls. Reason is I used to it. 36 exp seems lots of frames and with 24 exp I tend to keep one event or shooting session on one roll. If the event or session is long enough, I use 2 24exp rolls.

When I do 36 exp, I'm usually stuck with an unfinished roll on the camera that most of the time I waste on useless photos just to finish the roll, or, if I really want to process the photos, I sometimes develop the unfinished roll. I suppose is silly but that's my experience.

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I never understood why they changed from 20 exposures to 24. If a 20 exposure roll is good because it's shorter, then why make it longer?
They wanted the choice of number of exposures to match the aspect ratio - 2:3.
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and what's with the number of exposures in disposable cameras ; )

My local mom & pop camera shop told me I was their only 135 format SLR / RF customer. All other film they process is from disposable cameras.
27 wasn't it?

I don't use them as they pile up in costs when lab processing is priced equally at 24 or 36 exp, but in 2015 I did get a quicksnap marine because underwater.
Feels a bit of a waste when the things could get 40 exposures out of it instead of 27...
Maybe I'll drop one of these in my next film order. Useful for summer beach shooting
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I definitely remember 12 shot rolls in the mid 2000s. I used them for quickie test rolls when getting the GIII and Mamiya fixed up and ready.
My recollection is they came out shortly after the 24 exposure rolls did. I first saw the 24 exposure rolls in late 1976. I saw and bought them while traveling through Japan from Korea to the US. When I had them processed in the USA, the lab techs went crazy, they hadn't yet seen them although I think they were already being talked about in Pop Photo and Modern Photography. I don't recall reading why 24 or 12 exposures came about.

I rather preferred the 20 exposures for a short roll. But when traveling to new places, I usually wanted a bunch of 36 exposure rolls. Less to carry and more shots before needing to change rolls.
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24 exp rolls are a hold over from the old days of getting prints (double sets!) with your developed film.
I think double prints were way after the 24 exposure rolls.
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There's something nice in a roll you can shoot in a day, develop in a day and see what you got. For me, 24 shots is pretty much a sweet spot. More than that can work when you're travelling, but iotherwise is less conveniently demarcated. I'm rolling 26 turns... which is a bit more, but there you are. Guess I haven't got the whole bulk loading thing iced yet. Speaking to the whole 1-1-1-1 theme (one camera, one lens, one film, one developer, etc.), I wish every film were available in bulk, but they're not... and so I'm pretty much an Ilford man by default. You could do worse. And sometimes, for tests you want only 12 shots.
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I really don't mind 24exp.
Sometimes, I find that maybe for a short day out where I don't shoot much, 24exp works for me.
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Some shoot one frame of 35mm at a time. I know there is a back for the Contax rangefinder that holds a single frame of 35mm film.

Rolls with 12 exposures were once common and are useful for testing cameras.

I understand though that as film gets more expensive (which it seems to be doing now), it makes more sense to shoot 36 frames (or more) if possible - less wasted overhead that way.
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