Film Ferrania releasing new BW 35mm Film
Old 02-01-2017   #1
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Film Ferrania releasing new BW 35mm Film

I backed their Kickstarter (seemingly) eons ago and they notified me that they are releasing a BW 35mm film shortly. They claim it is similar to the original Ferrania BW film (?).

http://www.filmferrania.it/p30

Thought some others might be interested.
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Old 02-01-2017   #2
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Yeah I backed them too. There was an email sentout with the option to switch your kickstarter rewards to P30. I'd rather have black and white anyway so I switched.
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Old 02-01-2017   #3
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nice film, I wonder if it comes factory parallel scratched for that old time look?
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Being an supporter of their original E-6 Kickstarter, Ferrania sent me an email detailing the new B&W film. I just signed up to receive a few rolls.

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I also got the email and decided to remain with the E6. I'm not in a hurry, I'll wait.

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Didn't saw anything, but there are already more than enough b&w films to choose from. I'll keep waiting for the slides. Hope they arrive before Fuji decides to stop the little they have.
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When it goes up in their store I'll probably grab a roll or two to try out. Yeah, there's a lot of black and white films out there already but I would love to see more manufacturers out there who are dedicated to film succeed and create new products.
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On their website they mention Alpha, Beta and final production.
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Yeah, but the color is the Beta, right? At least, that's how I understood it from the video.
No, this is an Alpha run of P30. Then there will be a Beta run of P30. Finally the finalized production run of P30.
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It does indeed. I hope it's not priced *too* egregiously. I would like to grab a few rolls but don't want to spend $12-$15 for a single roll. If it's around $10 I might grab 2-3 rolls.
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It does indeed. I hope it's not priced *too* egregiously. I would like to grab a few rolls but don't want to spend $12-$15 for a single roll. If it's around $10 I might grab 2-3 rolls.
If you were a supporter of the original E-6 film Kickstarter, you can get up to five rolls for about $5.00/roll.

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Still would rather have my E6 film.

If they make a Verichrome Pan clone, call me.
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Call me too. I wonder if P30 will be in 120.
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Old 02-01-2017   #14
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This P30 is only a side product / intermediate step in the progressing of making the reversal film, which is scheduled for delivery this summer.
FF is getting a bit cash in by offering some P30. They just need some productions of BW film for testing their coater.
And if you can sell some of the test material.....why not.
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Of the scratchy/variable Alpha though - presumably the price will not stay that way. The problem I see with that price going up is that I can get Tri-X for $4.85 w/free ship when I buy 10.

This is really going to be "competing" with Pan F/Acros 100 - but even then, those films don't crack $6.50 on average. Hopefully they'll be able to offer it in that range and still make a profit.
Cheaper still is Arista EDU 100 or 400.
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Cheaper still is Arista EDU 100 or 400.
Which is Fomapan 100 or Fomapan 400.
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And I thought we've already have enough of these "new" 135 BW films...
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I applaud Ferrania for making such an immense commitment and building new factories for new/old films! Bravo!

However, with affordable Kodak, Ilford, and other b&w films out there, I can't see that they will be doing well on the long run. Tri-X, FP4 or HP5 (no name a few) are wonderful films and time-tested, whereas Ferrania is still struggling to get the coating right (scratches!) and smooth sensitivity across the frame. Seems overly contrasty, too, appealing for a niche-within-the-niche-market! And its not that Ferrania has a cult following (unlike Kodachrome/Ektachrome), especially here in the US, which is probably the largest single market for film.

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Well JCH released a rebranded current stock for $10/roll and people ate it up.
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Old 02-03-2017   #20
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I'll buy it when it's scratch free.

Also backed the initial kickstarter, even though I don't like the old Ferrania. More film manufacturers is always a good thing
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Blue Moon Camera was sent a test roll.
Results on their Facebook page.
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Old 02-15-2017   #22
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Has Ferrania provided any information on developers and times?
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The Film Ferrania online store is now open (for real this time) for anyone desiring to acquire some of the P30 film.

http://www.filmferrania.it/#home-section
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And for those who were not tracking this, they had over 20,000 orders for this alpha release of B+W film in the first few minutes they opened the web store, and it crashed the server this morning.
Film might be dead, but it's still moving around.
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The Film Ferrania online store is now open (for real this time) for anyone desiring to acquire some of the P30 film.
Thanks for the update. I just ordered my five rolls of P-30.

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And for those who were not tracking this, they had over 20,000 orders for this alpha release of B+W film in the first few minutes they opened the web store, and it crashed the server this morning.
Film might be dead, but it's still moving around.
Yeah, how do you like that? 20,000 orders! Good news, but I am not among the elect. I tried ordering a two or three weeks ago and could not get the shop page to open. Now I am last in line.

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The Film Ferrania online store is now open (for real this time) for anyone desiring to acquire some of the P30 film.

http://www.filmferrania.it/#home-section
Ok. tried again. Store page still does not open. Perhaps the site is allergic to this MacBook? Or do they shut it down from time to time because they know it will take two years to fill the orders? LOL
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Old 03-17-2017   #27
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https://shop.filmferrania.it is working for me just fine.

And if you are KickStart backer you will get the film before other non-backers.
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I'd like to try some also, just a couple of rolls. However I have a feeling it's not going to be two months or so until they have enough to fill pre-orders. More like 6~9 months or more. Hope I'm wrong but.....

Also would need full information on all cost, shipping etc. The only cost that is real the bottom line and I want to know that before I tap any keys.
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I'd like to try some also, just a couple of rolls. However I have a feeling it's not going to be two months or so until they have enough to fill pre-orders. More like 6~9 months or more. Hope I'm wrong but.....

Also would need full information on all cost, shipping etc. The only cost that is real the bottom line and I want to know that before I tap any keys.
For the Kickstarter supporters (me), a roll of P-30 cost $5.00 and will be released on April 4th. Go to their website for more info.

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https://shop.filmferrania.it is working for me just fine.

And if you are KickStart backer you will get the film before other non-backers.
Still doesn't open the page. I can try on my office PC.
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I just ordered my 5 rolls
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I just ordered my 5 rolls

I just ordered my 5 rolls of P30. Since I am just getting into film, I encourage everyone to support a group of people that are trying to re start a company to produce film.
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Still doesn't open the page. I can try on my office PC.
I emailed them about this and here is their response:

"According to our developers, many people who accessed the site on day one may have a cache on their local machines that is being "stubborn".

The most foolproof method to fix the issue is this:

a) Close any shop windows or tabs you might have open in your browser and flush you cache, then quit your browser.
b) Delete your browser cache - not from your browser but by actually finding and deleting the DNS cache on your machine (you can google how to do this for your specific computer and browser)
c) Restart your machine
d) Reopen your browser and open the shop.

We know this is a lot of steps and extra work, but unfortunately it is the only reliable method our developers have told us right now.

If you do this and continue to have problems, please let us know."

However I just went to the site on my phone and ordered my 5 rolls there so I didn't actually try their suggestions.
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I only heard of this enterprise last summer and I'm delighted to hear that they've produced what sounds a unique B&W film. The price and their shipping charges are however pretty high but I've ordered 5 rolls none the less to support the initiative. This alpha version is meant to be cheaper than the final version. Looks like they'll be looking for over 10 euros for the final version which will be too pricey for regular use by me.
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This alpha version is meant to be cheaper than the final version. Looks like they'll be looking for over 10 euros for the final version which will be too pricey for regular use by me.
I could be wrong, but have been following this, and am unaware that Ferrania has said anything to indicate that the final version would be more expensive than this more limited production version. Could have missed that announcement, I suppose, but economies of scale once they get ramped up to full production (assuming that happens) would generally lead to lower cost, not higher cost. Generally.
People didn't even know what this one was going to cost until a couple of days ago.
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If you watch the several Youtube videos, the general manager said that they are working in the color film. However, on the way to color, the discovered that they could produce the wonderful b&w, which is what they are offering. They decided to offer it to have something out of there, since they could not meet the initial deadline for color.
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I could be wrong, but have been following this, and am unaware that Ferrania has said anything to indicate that the final version would be more expensive than this more limited production version. Could have missed that announcement, I suppose, but economies of scale once they get ramped up to full production (assuming that happens) would generally lead to lower cost, not higher cost. Generally.
People didn't even know what this one was going to cost until a couple of days ago.
I'm sorry I'm not sure where I picked this info up, I might have it wrong.
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Photo Warehouse sent me an email today entitled "Keeping Film Photography Alive",
in which this film was mentioned by name.

They aren't offering it for sale, but maybe they will carry it if/when it goes into production.

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Anyone have anything to say about this film?

What developers have you tried? Times? Samples?
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What developers have you tried? Times? Samples?
Just as a reference, they have instructions on the site. And the sample images have developer and times as well.

http://www.filmferrania.it/p30/
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Anyone have anything to say about this film?

What developers have you tried? Times? Samples?
Happy to oblige:

P30alpha on P30alpha

80 iso, HC110 1:60 12 mins reduced agitation, F100 55mm f3.5 micro Nikkor, V850 scan, matrix metered no adjustments to exposure, straight scans just sharpen for web, slight crop on the tack frame to tidy.
It dries flat BTW!!



Tack sharp (sorry) as above other than on 50mm f1.8 Nikkor Ai



My standard "tomb" test subject for films developers etc. details as above.



I know a lot of people shoot portraits, personally I don't so here is one on the P30, just don't mention the dubious toupé




Last one:


Next roll is for Pyrocat HD although I can't see it getting sharper, the 50mm f1.8 Ai is a very good example of its kind.
Observations: a look that is contrasty, fine grained and sharp. I have run brackets ion the next roll but 80iso looks near enough.
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