How can i get images simmilar to Black Opal_2005?
Old 01-08-2019   #1
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How can i get images simmilar to Black Opal_2005?

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film photography is a recent direction i have taken over the last few months and im still new to the whole process, so this might be a nooby question. what is the technique in his style of pictures? looks to me as if plenty of grain blown out highlights and maybe pushed to 1600 or higher? if anyone could shed some light on what they think is the case here i would be very appreciative. (does this have anything to do with underexposing a few stops then pushing the film later?)
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Old 01-08-2019   #2
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Some gum-bicarbonate printing looks similar to that, but not sure.
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Old 01-08-2019   #3
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It looks very close to lith.
High ISO isn't going to make anything significant. It looks like he is using some funky MF camera known for it lens and else.
Back to lith. You could not only print in it, but develop film in it.
One thing I haven't tried yet is to make it double.
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Old 01-08-2019   #4
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It looks like it’s been printed dark on silver paper and bleached. But it might just be clever post processing.

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Old 01-08-2019   #5
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Washi Film?
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Old 01-08-2019   #6
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Some of them look a lot like multiple generations of paper negatives and/or lith printing.
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Old 01-08-2019   #8
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If you screw up the exposure, development, and printing you're halfway there already! But you still won't have images like the ones on that website. You'll just have badly made photographs. His photographs work because of his great eye, wonderful sense of composition and a lot of other things that make his work art. I wasn't familiar w/ him (his name is Toshihiro Okada), but really, really like what I saw. Thanks for the link. Some of his images evoke Man Ray. I found very little about him on the web. His images are the best photographs I have seen in many a year.

https://contrastedgallery.wordpress....p-carousel-320
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Old 01-08-2019   #9
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I have been wondering the same thing about digital images shot more or less in the same or similar style - you will see some of them here in favorite images I have tagged from other posters on Flickr (including a couple of shots from Black Opal after seeing them in your opening post).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/life_in_shadows/favorites

I cannot say how to do it with analogue film but in digital I think it is possible to reproduce the effect by a combination of extreme contrast, a detail extraction filter (something of this sort is available in Nik Analogue Efex), one or more texture overlays and a fairly severe blur filter. I have been considering trying it myself but have not yet given it a go.

An example from a shooter named Blue Moles here:

What it is by Blue Moles, on Flickr
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Old 01-08-2019   #10
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It looks like chemical Lith printing in the darkroom. Getting certain looks is determinate on paper, exposure, chemical, and negative density. With that, it's all trial and error. I do a lot of lith printing in the darkroom, and the chemical I use the most is by Arista and Morcshe. They are both 2 part solutions. You can mix your chemical at different ratios, and get different results. In my experience, older fiber based paper tends to yield characteristics to the person you provided.

There is reading material out there that you can quickly google on the subject.

Goodluck on the experimental journey of lith printing!
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Old 01-09-2019   #11
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Looks like Lith printing to me too.

Take a look at the work of Anton Corbijn, or master printer Tim Rudman for more examples.
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Old 01-09-2019   #12
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thanks to flickr's wonderful reliability, i can't comment on most of the photos shown here.

however, if you want to do lith and shy away from chemical processing, my friend Rüdiger created a program that quite convincingly emulates the lith process on digital pictures.

you can find it here: http://dlp.zonev.de/

(for the ones with a good memory - i mentioned this before.)

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You could send him a Flickr mail and ask him directly.
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Old 01-09-2019   #14
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I'd second Washi films
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Old 01-09-2019   #15
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Washi looks promising:

Washi W:
https://flic.kr/p/KvRQRj
https://flic.kr/p/22Gn6oS

Washi A:

https://flic.kr/p/HfiJuS

There a other Washi films and papers
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Those are clearly lith prints done in the darkroom. There is evidence that a lot are half frame and a few seem to be medium format.
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Old 01-10-2019   #17
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Those are clearly lith prints done in the darkroom. There is evidence that a lot are half frame and a few seem to be medium format.
Very interesting. How can you tell specifically that some are half/medium? Im more on the new side to film. But isint medium format used for the use of quality? Yet lith scanning is the opposite to quality. Am i missing something?
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Old 01-10-2019   #18
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I don't think its lith printing. The texture looks more like paper negatives.
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would this be anywhere near it?
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I believe he used several different techniques some on the same photos one of them washi film, some of the photographs were made with lith or some other high contrast film, some with normal film and lith printed and some on washi film and lith printed. Some probably also received the Ralph Gibson Treatment severely overexposed and overdeveloped.
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Old 01-11-2019   #21
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Very interesting. How can you tell specifically that some are half/medium? Im more on the new side to film. But isint medium format used for the use of quality? Yet lith scanning is the opposite to quality. Am i missing something?
Lith scanning? I'm missing something for sure.
As for MF, I wrote it already, but if you missed it, check Opal's data of Flickr,
It is in the tags, I think.
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Old 01-11-2019   #22
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I don't think its lith printing. The texture looks more like paper negatives.
I`d have to agree with Chris. Though I`m sure he is using multiple tricks at every step of the way to get to his end product. Basically, he is having fun in the darkroom and experimenting a lot.
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Old 01-11-2019   #23
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I don't think its lith printing. The texture looks more like paper negatives.
Yeah, I think Chris has got it. Lith film records no greys, or very few. Look at the texture in the highlight areas of his pix. That suggests a rice paper negative or something similar. Note that the preset filters in something like Silver EFX 2 (or similar) for distressed or antique finish produce exactly the same effect on every picture to which they are applied. This has always felt boring to me, but to each his own. The pix at the link though have a unique look to each picture. Excellent sense of mystery, I think (check out photos of Marina Berio if you like this sort of style). (e.g. http://www.marinaberio.net/untold-stories )

I like the pictures. They successfully convey both a heightened sense of anxiety, and a well developed style. It is very different than what I do with a camera, but thank heavens we are not all the same.

[Edit: technically I think you could do this by coating paper with an emulsion, and exposing it in the dark room . . . then use it to make a contact print in order to get your paper negative. Or, digitally, you could invert the image to get a negative on screen and print it to rice paper or similar. Then use the paper negative to make a contact print. You'd have all the tonalities of the print-out, plus all the texture inherent in shining light through the paper.

Or it could be something else I am not nearly clever enough to reverse engineer. ]
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I think it is not lith film but printing from normal negatives on baryta paper with special lith developer (two process developing for lights and shadows).
It's somnething I did quite often...

something like this...?
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This looks like it might have been treated with omega no? what paper?
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split tones in the highlights... bonkers
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Some of the shots look like they have been made from a scanned backlit print, treating it like a slide, or as Chris says, effectively a paper negative.
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this maybe?
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Very interesting. How can you tell specifically that some are half/medium? Im more on the new side to film. But isint medium format used for the use of quality? Yet lith scanning is the opposite to quality. Am i missing something?
You can tell by the prints with adjoining frames, although that could mean he is using a movie camera as well. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them were shot on 16mm looking at them again.

The most recent ones were probably on Washi film or whatever it is called.

They are lith prints too with a lot of them probably done on old fogged paper. Been there, done that.

Here is a recent lith print done on pretty terribly fogged paper in the darkroom. Aside from the lack of grain, since the neg has no grain, look familiar?




But then again, you could just ask him. He'd know for sure.
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