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Old 10-01-2010   #41
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Actually, since Fuji is a digital company, I would expect them to be the first to bail out.
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Old 10-01-2010   #42
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Actually, since Fuji is a digital company, I would expect them to be the first to bail out.
Right, they make digital Frontiers and film wonderfully fits workflow - you expose film and they do the rest
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A couple of years ago Fujifilm announced that they were in the film business for the long term. They said they planned to support film cameras as long as there were users.

I just looked at a print washer. The company making the washer had a banner on their site saying that sales were up this year. Used film camera prices are up in a bad economy. Film is not going away as long as we continue to use it.

I suggest you go on to Fuji's X100 site, and in the comment area, tell them that you are (if you are) considering the purchase of an X100 and are a Fujifilm FILM user. They must understand that a large part of their "niche" X100 market are film users.

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Old 10-01-2010   #44
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Actually you are completely wrong. It is so irritating when people say stuff like this off the collar.

Neopan 400 in 120 and only in 120 was discounted because of an environmental issue with the anti-static backing.
'you are wrong' works too.
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NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Good thing I just ordered 40 rolls of it a couple of days ago. This really sucks... I guess Arista premium 400 will do
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Actually, since Fuji is a digital company, I would expect them to be the first to bail out.
Actually FujiFilm Ltd. is a huge imaging technology company. http://www.fujifilmholdings.com/en/p...r_2010_all.pdf

The Imaging group accounts for 16% of total revenues. Film and other related products account for less than 10% of this 16%. So we are already down to about 1 1/2% of the total business. You can make your own estimate how this 1 1/2% breaks down to color film vs. b&w film.

So yes, b&w film is very insignificant to Fujifilm, Ltd.

While film and related sales are declining, Fujifilm points out that their market share is increasing. That is a good sign they are in for the long haul.
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Are you certain Fuji discontinued it or did Freestyles contract run out. Freestyle bottom feeds for the low price and Fuji may not have made the deal Freestyle would accept This may be why the Holga brand is coming. I suspect Freestyle does all their products on bid contracts. They've done the same thing with other products over the years.
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Actually FujiFilm Ltd. is a huge imaging technology company. http://www.fujifilmholdings.com/en/p...r_2010_all.pdf

The Imaging group accounts for 16% of total revenues. Film and other related products account for less than 10% of this 16%. So we are already down to about 1 1/2% of the total business. You can make your own estimate how this 1 1/2% breaks down to color film vs. b&w film.

So yes, b&w film is very insignificant to Fujifilm, Ltd.

While film and related sales are declining, Fujifilm points out that their market share is increasing. That is a good sign they are in for the long haul.

I've been told over the years that the professional camera division of Nikon makes little or no money. It is however, the basis for all of their (the pros choice bs) advertising. It also is the testing ground for most of their photo engineering. The AF systems the pro-cameras use are soon found in consumer cameras. So, I would guess that Fujifilm is in a similar place. When the public thinks of fujiFILM they likely aren't thinking of medical equipment..

Ford, Porsche, any others you might think of.. racing divisions.. it's great PR for selling cars and a platform for testing engineering concepts.

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I also called Freestyle this afternoon to ask about LegacyPro 400. At the moment they are out, plenty of Legacy Pro100 in stock.

The lady over the phone said they are trying to negotiate another order but didn't have any news on the progress. She recommended replacing LP400 with Neopan 400 () which they don't have any issues with supply at the moment.
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Here in Italy ars-imago have Legacy Pro in stock but they say that they will be the last...
http://www.ars-imago.com/-c-21_25_882.html

Edit:I'm talking about the 400 iso,there are no problem for the slower film
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She recommended replacing LP400 with Neopan 400 () which they don't have any issues with supply at the moment.
Wait, what's the difference between LP400 and Neopan400? I actually have never used LP400 since it wasn't available in our country right from the start (or probably it's so rare here...)?
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There's no difference. LP400 was/is rebranded Neopan 400.

Actually, the base felt a little thinner, but the emulsion was exactly the same.

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Old 10-01-2010   #53
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Wait, what's the difference between LP400 and Neopan400? I actually have never used LP400 since it wasn't available in our country right from the start (or probably it's so rare here...)?
It wasn't available in your country because its a store brand film sold only by Freestyle, an American store. They sell a lot of other films under their store brands too at cheap prices, like the Arista Premium 400, which is Kodak Tri-X and their Arista.EDU Ultra, which is Foma. They ship internationally if you're willing to pay the shipping cost, but that will probably eat up the savings in price unless you buy A LOT of film. I'm lucky to be in the USA, I can spend $100 on the Freestyle branded Tri-X and get almost 50 rolls of film! Tri-X is $4 a roll at Freestyle under the Kodak name, $2.20 under the Arista Premium name and a whopping $6 a roll at my local camera store (kodak brand only there).
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It wasn't available in your country because its a store brand film sold only by Freestyle, an American store. They sell a lot of other films under their store brands too at cheap prices, like the Arista Premium 400, which is Kodak Tri-X and their Arista.EDU Ultra, which is Foma. They ship internationally if you're willing to pay the shipping cost, but that will probably eat up the savings in price unless you buy A LOT of film. I'm lucky to be in the USA, I can spend $100 on the Freestyle branded Tri-X and get almost 50 rolls of film! Tri-X is $4 a roll at Freestyle under the Kodak name, $2.20 under the Arista Premium name and a whopping $6 a roll at my local camera store (kodak brand only there).
Tri-X is $8-9 / roll in Australia. The shipping is expensive, but you can save a lot even on 20 rolls, although I must admit to normally buying from Freestyle in batches of 250 rolls.

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I'm lucky to be in the USA, I can spend $100 on the Freestyle branded Tri-X and get almost 50 rolls of film! Tri-X is $4 a roll at Freestyle under the Kodak name, $2.20 under the Arista Premium name and a whopping $6 a roll at my local camera store (kodak brand only there).
Even $4 a roll is cheap enough for me but $2.20 is an absolute steal! Now I understand
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This is a pain but I must admit I made the decision to switch to Arista Premium and bought several hundred feet a couple of months ago. I also bought fifty rolls of LP 400 (36 exposure) which I probably wont bother using now if anyone's interested ... I don't really like using film all that much that I can't back up with 100 ft rolls.

Neopan 400 may be available at Freestyle but I noticed it's twice the price of LP 400!
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Old 10-02-2010   #57
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I bought ten 100' rolls of Neopan 400 directly from Japan. Also bought ten 100' rolls of Neopan 1600, just as it was being discontinued.
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Old 10-02-2010   #58
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geez, guys. Neopan 400 is still around, just not at a bargain price. Funny how fast some people jump off the film is dead cliff. These Freestyle deals have always come and gone. I miss "England's finest" and the dirt cheap Agfa color neg film they once had, but so it goes. Bargain price tri-x looks like quite a steal to me if the budget is tight.
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Neopan 400 is only 2.69 at BH
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Yeah, B&H has been all over the place though. It was $6 just a month ago. I made sure to order 100 rolls from them yesterday for good measure.
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I was THIS close to order this. I ended up getting the last bunch of LP400 from digitaltruth.com but I hope Neopan 400 will be available in this price range when I'm done with the remaining LP400...
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BHPV's Intl shipping costs kill all the joy. At such total price I can shop locally.
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Just realized that I have another 30 rolls of LP400 in the basement freezer. Sweet.

Now to stock up on ACROS...
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There's no difference. LP400 was/is rebranded Neopan 400.

Actually, the base felt a little thinner, but the emulsion was exactly the same.

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I measured the thicknesses of LP400 and NP400 with a micrometer. Detected no difference. Also same apparent base thickness on ACROS and LP100. All are thinner than 2TMY.
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BHPV's Intl shipping costs kill all the joy. At such total price I can shop locally.
Yeah, $30 shipping on 100 rolls of film is a bit much.
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Yeah, $30 shipping on 100 rolls of film is a bit much.


This is why we get together and do group buys in OZ ... you get to put in an order the justifies the freight and we share the costs.
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This is why we get together and do group buys in OZ ... you get to put in an order the justifies the freight and we share the costs.
That was on domestic US shipping.
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That was on domestic US shipping.

I realise this but part of that charge is their handling fee ... order ten 100ft rolls and it becomes much more viable.

Freestyle operate the same way.
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Yeah, $30 shipping on 100 rolls of film is a bit much.
Nope, on 100 roll purchase I'd be billed $90 for Priority, $100 for Express. I'd swallow $30.
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Does Freestyle still sell re-branded Ilford HP5?
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Not any more. It effectively ended when Ilford stepped out of receivership.
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Legacy Pro 400 is back in stock at Freestyle. I just ordered 200 rolls.
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