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Old 03-23-2016   #1
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Digisix or Twinmaster?

Looking for a small light meter that fits into a pocket. The Digisix and Twinmaster seem to have near identical form, function, and price.

What do you think?
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If by Twinmaster you mean the small L-208, go for it. The Digisix will give you readings in EVs, which you later have to turn into f-stops and shutterspeeds using a chart. The Sekonic has a nice, dandy scale that shows you the exact f-stop and shutterspeed and variations at a glance.

Again, if you're thinking about the small, analog Sekonic, that's the L-208. I had one, dropped and wrecked it... and want to replace it. Should have done it a long time ago, but I ran into the Sekonic L-86 (a small, reliable, little selenium thing) and the L-38 Leader (nice, heavy but still very decent selenium meter), and got sidetracked. Life just happens some times...
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Yes, I'm referring to the L-208.

I don't understand why you think the L-208 is faster/easier: on the L-208, you turn the wheel until the needles match. On the Digisix, you turn the wheel until two numbers (EV) match. Same thing!

> The Sekonic has a nice, dandy scale that shows you the exact f-stop and shutterspeed and variations at a glance.

Exact same thing as on the Digisix.
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First off, I've never used either.

I use an L398 Sekonic. I like it, except for one thing - The dial that you use to set the ISO can easily be bumped to a different setting when I take it in/out of my pocket. Sometimes I don't realise straight away, and when I do, it's annoying to have to set again. I can understand that it would be good if you wanted to contantly change ISO, by it's pretty fixed for the whole roll - I want it not to move. It looks like the 208 has the same setup.

For this reason alone, I'd go for the digisix where I believe you set the ISO with multiple button presses.
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I have never used the Sekonic or any Sekonic for that matter.

However I do have a digisix and am more than happy with it.
I have noticed it can "go through " a "discount battery" quickly
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I own one L-208 and two Digisix meters, pretty much all I use at this point. The digisix is my fave because of EV values and it is the smallest ( L-208 is a bit thicker ), battery lasts forever. The L-208 is nice too, all three meters are for dedicated systems, LF, MF and 35mm.

I use the L-208 with the LF gear because it is a good bit faster to change the ISO which pays off for sheet film varieties and speeds. The Digisix meters are faster in terms of reading because it just shows an EV number which is easy to learn over time, IE: EV12 is 1/250th @F4, EV6 is starting to get low at 1/30th @ F1.4.
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Is it true that the Digisix is always on?
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Is it true that the Digisix is always on?
Yes, so when I am not using it I try to remember to put it in the clock mode. But even if I forget it seems to go through 2 maybe 3 batteries a year and I use it a LOT.
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I have L-208, which I purchased new very cheap on ebay. I have it now for two years. Still same battery.
Like 208 analog scale with apertures and shutter speeds. It is what I see on the camera and lens.



It is nice analog gadget. Perfect match for analog camera. I don't have digital clock on mechanical cameras. L-208 is in the style completely. It is like old exposure meters, no gimmicks. Accurate enough for indoors, on the street with lights, but doesn't work well under really low light where shutter speed is in minutes or for long exposures with pinhole apertures.

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I have and prefer the twin mate, but the other one may be more sensitive to lower light levels.
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I have and prefer the twin mate, but the other one may be more sensitive to lower light levels.
I think it is by about two stops and the fact it does not use a sometimes jumpy needle but reads digitally in 1/3rd stops makes it overall more accurate to me, the reason I favor it over the L-208.
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Beyond functionality, it is also a question of style. Old school needle vs digital readout. Different people have different preferences.
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I much prefer the operation of the L-208 but I would prefer if it had the Digisix slimmer body. It also needs to be noted that the L-208 absolutely blows as a reflected light meter; I only use it for incident measurements.

Other than that, there are two upgrades for the L-208 that are essential in my book:

1) a retractable keychain: clip on the belt or camera strap and extend when a reading is needed.

2) This handy dandy EV chart posted by Joakim Malare on Photo.net. God bless his soul.

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About that EV chart: What happens when you change film from 100 to 400 asa?
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About that EV chart: What happens when you change film from 100 to 400 asa?
I use a Digisix and leave it set on ISO 100 regardless of the film I'm shooting - and simply adjust by 2 stops for HP5+. But most of the time I estimate exposure, and always do that with ISO 100 in mind - EV 15 for bright sun, EV 13 for overcast, EV 11 for sunset, etc.

It works for me, but I recognize it might not work for everyone.
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My standard is asa 400. I think exposure for this speed.
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My standard is asa 400. I think exposure for this speed.
Mine is Tmax 400 pushed a stop to 800 for the Leicas and Rolleiflex. For the Hasselblad system and large format it can be anywhere from ISO 1 to 400.

I'm usually able to extrapolate but on days where I am up super early and not quite awake, it is best that I set the meter.
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About that EV chart: What happens when you change film from 100 to 400 asa?
It is a LV chart - independent of film speed.
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I looked at the Digisix and bought the 208, which I find fantastically user-friendly. I sold my VC clipon meter once I started using the Sekonic. It's so simple and quick to use.
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Forgot my Twin-Mate (L208) in a jeans pocket and it went through a complete wash cycle including spin drying, no problems after that.
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If there was a way to disable the alarm-timer thingy that my pocket seemed to always turn on I woulda stayed with the digisix.
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If there was a way to disable the alarm-timer thingy that my pocket seemed to always turn on I woulda stayed with the digisix.
Sometimes I want to glue the function button in place. Why the hell did they put all the bloat in it? Seems it's never in the right mode to take a reading when I want to, because it shifts in the pocket.

OP: If you go for the digisix, put in a few coins more and get the digiflash. Never know when you want to do some studio work.
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OP: If you go for the digisix, put in a few coins more and get the digiflash. Never know when you want to do some studio work.
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happy with my digisix though lately it has seemed slow to react to button presses.... changed the battery but still slower than I recall in the past.

Agrees with my Minolta IVF for incident readings.
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Twinmate for quick operation; Digisix for low-light metering.

Two things I found with Twinates - they're very sensitive to knocks in certain directions (the meter needle will bend slightly and jam), and they love to pack pocket lint inside the incident metering dome, which is a bugger to clean out.
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Forgot my Twin-Mate (L208) in a jeans pocket and it went through a complete wash cycle including spin drying, no problems after that.
Does it meter the whites whiter?

Edit: I use an L-208 but haven't used a Digisix. My only gripes with the L-208 are its shape isn't all that pocket-friendly (due to its thickness) and it's easy to move the iso and match needle wheels when taking it out of a bag or pocket. I find it reliable and very easy to use.
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I recall having gone out in a walk with a friend who used a Digisix, and he showed me the EV and the conversion thing he had to do. He liked it. I wasn't too crazy about it. Now, that was about 10 years ago, so my memory may be at fault.

In any event, for what you want, I'd go for the L-208. Now, if you wanted an overwhelming "go for the Digisix" reaction... that's another story. I'd go for the Twin-Master any day because of its simplicity.
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I recall having gone out in a walk with a friend who used a Digisix, and he showed me the EV and the conversion thing he had to do. He liked it. I wasn't too crazy about it. Now, that was about 10 years ago, so my memory may be at fault.

In any event, for what you want, I'd go for the L-208. Now, if you wanted an overwhelming "go for the Digisix" reaction... that's another story. I'd go for the Twin-Master any day because of its simplicity.

It's a matter of perception though, once you learn EV values it is likely faster to use that direct reading rather than match the needle up. Like I said before I have and use both meters but greatly favor the Digisix for several reasons, the main one being that it instantly gives me a bomber EV reading in 1/3 stop increments and I don't have to even move the dial around to find the aperture / shutter speed combo if I don't want to, I know what EV 10, 12, 14, etc is by heart now.

And a word about the Digiflash, I had one and while the flash meter part was nice, for some odd reason it chewed through batteries like nobody's business so I sold it to get another Digisix.

I should probably just sell the L-208 and get a third Digisix, I like it that much.
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The dial on the DigiSix gives the EV equivalent shutter/f stop combinations. Matching the EV setting can be in one hand . FPJ
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I have a little Visitor that I use - I can't remember the model. When I say little I mean really little. Looks to be about half the size, at most, of the L208. I'll dig it out later and post the model and size.
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I bought the DigiSix for my Hasselblads. I have the old C lens and I can take the EV # and instantly transfer that # to my lens. I have a couple of old German cameras that also have the EV system for the lens.
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About that EV chart: What happens when you change film from 100 to 400 asa?
Sorry, just getting to this now.

The EV chart hack for the L-208 makes it so when you push the button, the red hand points to the EV of the scene. Matching it with the green arrow, will give you F-stop and shutter speed combinations at a given ISO.



In the example above, 250/5.6 is one of the combinations that would give a good exposure at EV13. Now, this is the chart comes in handy, a cloud moves overhead and blocks the sun. I take another reading, and the red hand swings to EV 12. Without having to rotate the dial, I can quickly know that I can alter my original aperture by two stops and be good to go (e.g. 125/4; 60/5.6; etc.).

Might not sound like much when described, but it's very practical when out and about... it's also a great tool to train your eye to detect light changes in EV increments.
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In the example above, 250/5.6 is one of the combinations that would give a good exposure at EV13. Now, this is the chart comes in handy, a cloud moves overhead and blocks the sun. I take another reading, and the red hand swings to EV 12. Without having to rotate the dial, I can quickly know that I can alter my original aperture by two stops and be good to go (e.g. 125/4; 60/5.6; etc.).
Two stops from EV13 to EV12 ?

I use both the Sekonic ant the Gossen and both are good enough.
The Gossen eats its battery (CR2032) very quickly, a couple of months in the bag and the battery is gone. The Sekonic has another little advantage nobody has mentioned yet, the stripes on its scale indicate the reading angle of the cell.

Is the styling what makes the Sekonic more attractive for me.
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I looked at buying either of these meters a couple years ago. I ended up buying a used sekonic L-518 (digital readout) for 50 dollars and it has never given me a problem.
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It's a matter of perception though, once you learn EV values it is likely faster to use that direct reading rather than match the needle up. Like I said before I have and use both meters but greatly favor the Digisix for several reasons, the main one being that it instantly gives me a bomber EV reading in 1/3 stop increments and I don't have to even move the dial around to find the aperture / shutter speed combo if I don't want to, I know what EV 10, 12, 14, etc is by heart now.
The major difference between the L-208 and Digisix in normal use is how you get the aperture and shutter speed scales aligned. The scholarship on human factors engineering is conclusive that it is faster to visually match a needle than to see a number and transfer it to a second scale. And the L-208's wheel is thin on the edge and has more friction in it. It's just less fun to use, thought it does feel more compact and durable than the Sekonic. The Gossen's LCD is also less legible in low light than the stark needle readout of the Sekonic. But when people talk about low-light capability, I just reach for my direct-read L-358.

As to memorizing EV value combinations, it's an interesting idea. And certainly a fun parlor trick at a Rollei MX-EVS theme party in the late 1950s.

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I have a little Visitor that I use - I can't remember the model. When I say little I mean really little. Looks to be about half the size, at most, of the L208. I'll dig it out later and post the model and size.
I can't find a model number. It's reflected only, shows both EV and direct settings. Dimensions are about 3"x3"X1.25" including accessory shoe foot.

It seems to be very accurate.
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I can't find a model number. It's reflected only, shows both EV and direct settings. Dimensions are about 3"x3"X1.25" including accessory shoe foot. It seems to be very accurate.
Search seems to indicate that this is a Model 24 variant. The original took mercury batteries, mine takes silver 76.
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Search seems to indicate that this is a Model 24 variant.
The original took mercury batteries, mine takes silver 76.
The Vivitar 24 CdS is a nice little meter.
Mine read accurately with a 1.5V silver cell (44/76/357).
This models sensor has a surprisingly narrow field of view
compared to other similar small light meters I've owned.

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I had the Twinmate and like LynnB the iso wheel gave me grief.

Finally I settled on a Sekonic L308-s,which is small enough and handles great.
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