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every 50mm lens will be mentioned sooner or later, so i’ll recommend any lens that’s within budget.
Exactly, you can buy Leica thread mount lenes made by:

(de) Astro Berlin | Enna | Hensoldt | Isco | Meyer | Rodenstock | Schacht | Schneider | Steinheil | Voigtländer | Zeiss
(ja) Arco (Colinar, Snowva) | Canon (Serenar) | Fuji (Cristar, Fujinon) | K.O.L. (Xebec) | Konica (Hexanon) | Konishiroku (Hexar, Hexanon) | Kowa (Prominar) | Kyōei (Acall) | Lena | Leotax | Chiyoda / Minolta (Rokkor) | Misuzu (Altanon) | MS Optical R&D | Nicca | Nippon Kōgaku (Nikkor) | Olympus (Zuiko) | Orion (Supreme) | Pentax | Reise | Ricoh | Sankyō (Komura) | Shōwa Kōki (Piotar) | Sun (Sola, Sophia, Xebec) | Tanaka (Tanar) | Telesar | Tōkyō Kōgaku (Simlar, Topcor) | Voigtländer | Y.K. Optical (Kobalux, Avenon) | Zeika (Rojar) | Zuihō (Honor) | Teikoku / Zunow
(fr) Angénieux | Berthiot
(uk) Corfield | Dallmeyer | National Opt. Co. | Pam | Ross | Taylor, Taylor & Hobson
(it) Elionar | Koritska | Kristall | Trixar | Wega
(nl) Old Delft
(us) Bausch & Lomb | Kodak


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see also: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/39mm_screw_lenses
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Exactly, you can buy Leica thread mount lenes made by:

(de) Astro Berlin | Enna | Hensoldt | Isco | Meyer | Rodenstock | Schacht | Schneider | Steinheil | Voigtländer | Zeiss
(ja) Arco (Colinar, Snowva) | Canon (Serenar) | Fuji (Cristar, Fujinon) | K.O.L. (Xebec) | Konica (Hexanon) | Konishiroku (Hexar, Hexanon) | Kowa (Prominar) | Kyōei (Acall) | Lena | Leotax | Chiyoda / Minolta (Rokkor) | Misuzu (Altanon) | MS Optical R&D | Nicca | Nippon Kōgaku (Nikkor) | Olympus (Zuiko) | Orion (Supreme) | Pentax | Reise | Ricoh | Sankyō (Komura) | Shōwa Kōki (Piotar) | Sun (Sola, Sophia, Xebec) | Tanaka (Tanar) | Telesar | Tōkyō Kōgaku (Simlar, Topcor) | Voigtländer | Y.K. Optical (Kobalux, Avenon) | Zeika (Rojar) | Zuihō (Honor) | Teikoku / Zunow
(fr) Angénieux | Berthiot
(uk) Corfield | Dallmeyer | National Opt. Co. | Pam | Ross | Taylor, Taylor & Hobson
(it) Elionar | Koritska | Kristall | Trixar | Wega
(nl) Old Delft
(us) Bausch & Lomb | Kodak


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see also: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/39mm_screw_lenses
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I am almost going w/ a canon...
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I am almost going w/ a canon...
check for haze, they r notorious for that.
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That's a thread mount Leica, probably a II series - no means of attaching a strap. The lens is most likely a Summar. They are decent lenses and could be used on an M3 with an LTM/M adapter. Be aware that the glass in the Summars is soft and liable to either scratch now if not cleaned carefully or already scratched - I cannot tell from the photo.
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It is III with SN visible to find out what it is. Looks like it was not in best place for storage,
Summar on it usually uncoated, but some were.
I had it on IIf and on M4-2. I have to clean mine and it was relatevly easy with instructions availible on-line.
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number is 175800
I got it already in a terrible state.
I never leave cameras inside closets or cabinets. I rather leave them in a shelf with as much light as possible. It gets real dirty but no fungus.
My first impression was of a II, since it has no strap lugs. But it bothered me that it didn't look like a black paint finish (it didn't look like chrome either; more of a "dust" finish). So after Colker posted the serial number, I looked it up: Ko.Fe. called it right. It is a IIIa from 1935.
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The M3 is meant to be matched with a Rigid Summicron. If money is tight, I would get a Canon 50/1.8 RF lens.
Rigid Summicron is a good choice. And the Dual Range Summicron, which has the same lens unit as the rigid, just in a different mount, would also be right on the M3.
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I agree that the Collapsible is a wonderful lens, but apart from the last series - serail number starts with 13XX XXX - the front glass is very soft (like a Summar) so almost all are scratched to ruins nowadays.
I was lucky enough to find a very clean example and have kept good quality B+W filters on the front since, so no scratches and no haze.

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Hi Leicapixie, is your pristine Collapsible with a serial number 13XXXXX? I want to see if my theory is correct. Thanks!
Mine is a 126xxxx
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My first impression was of a II, since it has no strap lugs. But it bothered me that it didn't look like a black paint finish (it didn't look like chrome either; more of a "dust" finish). So after Colker posted the serial number, I looked it up: Ko.Fe. called it right. It is a IIIa from 1935.

It does have strap lugs. There is a lot of CLA to be done there. No more rangefinder patch..
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It does have strap lugs. There is a lot of CLA to be done there. No more rangefinder patch..
I had Anniversary camera from forties. Same condition as yours Leica. No RF patch. All I have to do is to clean the optics. And patch was where.

It is not as buggy as you think. Half-mirror replacement is 30 bucks by YYe.
CLA and new curtains. Most likely nothing else and you'll have not some dusty chunk, but 1935 made and functioning for another two decades camera. Barnacks are less advanced than M and it means more lasting and reliable.
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I had Anniversary camera from forties. Same condition as yours Leica. No RF patch. All I have to do is to clean the optics. And patch was where.

It is not as buggy as you think. Half-mirror replacement is 30 bucks by YYe.
CLA and new curtains. Most likely nothing else and you'll have not some dusty chunk, but 1935 made and functioning for another two decades camera. Barnacks are less advanced than M and it means more lasting and reliable.

If i was in the US i would take it tomorrow to a reputable repair shop.... i will wait till i get back to mexico and send it to the US from there.
Meanwhile i will look for a clipon VFinder and lightmeter.

In some ways i like it better than the M3 just for the smaller size. The smaller the better.
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Did you have a look at the Voigtlaender Heliar 50mm f/3.5? A really tiny lens, sharp and nice rendering.
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It does have strap lugs. There is a lot of CLA to be done there. No more rangefinder patch..
Oh, OK, there didn't seem to be any lugs in the photo.
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Quote " A small camera is a thing of beauty. I won´t even place a lenshoood so i go as unnoticed as possible in the street."

In that case, sell everything - including the M3 - except the IIIa and use that with a Summaron 35mm after getting it (the IIIa) checked and sorted out.

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Reply to Erik, 50mm Collapsible-Summicron f2, Nr.1364344 !
It's one of 2nd Generation, slightly soft wide open, very sharp later..
I have (maybe) more flare at times, possibly Leitz UVa filter always on..
I have used friends' Later Summcrons and found little to make me add one.
Professional use where "collapsible" feature was a bonus, in"exciting" times.
My color printer said it was sharpest lens he had ever printed..
Slight flare in large sky areas where i latly saw a Zeiss 35mm new do same..
Notwithstanding about "fall off"etc, I love it!
Oh! At times when used wide, bokeh circles can appear as bagels/donuts..

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Reply to Erik, 50mm Collapsible-Summicron f2, Nr.1364344 !

Slight flare in large sky areas where i latly saw a Zeiss 35mm new do same..
The Zeiss 35/2.8 C Biogon, the f/2, or something else? I thought the 35mm Biogons were not supposed to flare. (I read that on the internet, so it must be right ).
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Reply to Erik, 50mm Collapsible-Summicron f2, Nr.1364344 !
It's one of 2nd Generation, slightly soft wide open, very sharp later..
I have (maybe) more flare at times, possibly Leitz UVa filter always on..
I have used friends' Later Summcrons and found little to make me add one.
Professional use where "collapsible" feature was a bonus, in"exciting" times.
My color printer said it was sharpest lens he had ever printed..
Slight flare in large sky areas where i latly saw a Zeiss 35mm new do same..
Notwithstanding about "fall off"etc, I love it!
Oh! At times when used wide, bokeh circles can appear as bagels/donuts..

It was also the favorite lens of Cartier-Bresson!

Serial number of mine is 1319235 (LTM).

Leica MP, Summicron 50mm f/2 Collapsible, 400-2TMY.

(dull scans, I will print these soon on Adox MCC 110)

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Quote " A small camera is a thing of beauty. I won´t even place a lenshoood so i go as unnoticed as possible in the street."
In that case, get a smart phone. No one will notice.
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In that case, get a smart phone. No one will notice.
wrong. A smartphone is way slower and more noticeable as a camera.

I take pictures... i am a photographer. I know.

If i am building a Leica is to take pictures as intended on a rangefinder. Fast and unconspicuous.

I don´t care about sharpness, bokeh or showing off cameras. It´s about catching an elusive image and an Iphone could not be a worse tool for the job.
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It was also the favorite lens of Cartier-Bresson!

Serial number of mine is 1319235 (LTM).

Leica MP, Summicron 50mm f/2 Collapsible, 400-2TMY.

(dull scans, I will print these soon on Adox MCC 110)

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I should get one. Makes the camera small and easy to carry. 2.0 would be nice.. night photgraphy on 2.8 is pushing the envelope a bit too much.
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Did you have a look at the Voigtlaender Heliar 50mm f/3.5? A really tiny lens, sharp and nice rendering.
i love it... but i need a brighter lens. 3.5 won´t cut it.
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The Canon 50mm 1.5 LTM is a relatively inexpensive lens and full of character.
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The Canon 50mm 1.5 LTM is a relatively inexpensive lens and full of character.
Not available right now at ebay but i will keep looking, thanks.
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For my M3 I have had:

50/2 collapsible
50/2 Planar
50/1.5 Sonnar
50/1.4 Summilux V2
50/1.4 Asph silver
50/2 Planar again

I have finally and permanently settled on a super clean and CLA’d rigid Summicron, the perfect combo of character, contrast, sharpness, period nostalgia and size.
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Don't think I've seen the Canon 50mm f/1.4 LTM mentioned yet. Also relatively inexpensive, and should be plentiful on the 2nd hand market. There's a long thread (10 pages and counting) with image samples here:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...ad.php?t=86792

It's my most used lens, and I also have some image samples in a Flickr album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dourba...57694898508964
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Don't think I've seen the Canon 50mm f/1.4 LTM mentioned yet. Also relatively inexpensive, and should be plentiful on the 2nd hand market. There's a long thread (10 pages and counting) with image samples here:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...ad.php?t=86792

It's my most used lens, and I also have some image samples in a Flickr album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dourba...57694898508964
I would love a Summicron rigid or a Sonnar but right now i will probably get a Canon.

I need a film scanner and film developing gear so i will save some on the lens and complete the workflow.
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I seem to have accumulated quite a few 50mm lenses of late, which I use on my M2 and M3 bodies. Given your interest in a compact lens that also can shoot at f2, and with attention to cost, I think your best bets are:

Canon 50/1.8 (yes, get a clean one; mine is sparkling clean); still the best value per dollar out there. Note: the Canon 50/1.4 is significantly larger than the 1.8

Canon 50/1.5 (great for portraits but also solid for general use)

Nikkor-HC 50/2.0 (like the Canon 50/1.5, a sonnar design and about the same size, focuses down to .5 m)

Voigtlander Skopar 50/2.5 (OK, you can't shoot at 2.0 with it, but 2.5 is not that much slower). Like Erik van Straten says, it's a great handling and very sharp little lens; has superb flare resistance too.
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7ARTISANS 50 1.1. I like it so much I have two - silver and black. I also have lots of other Leica 50 glass, but this is by far the best deal out there. Something like $350 new, available used for under $300.



Beautiful 356C. The Caterham below is stunning too. Nothing wrong with that lens, or film!

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Canon 50mm 1.4 LTM

I picked up a mint one on ebay from a Japanese seller. Came as described, well worth paying a bit more for no haze, fungus, and all.

Here is a sample image on ~10 year old expired Superia 400 film:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oZqYRA1hD...up40050ltm.jpg

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Don't think I've seen the Canon 50mm f/1.4 LTM mentioned yet. Also relatively inexpensive, and should be plentiful on the 2nd hand market. There's a long thread (10 pages and counting) with image samples here:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...ad.php?t=86792

It's my most used lens, and I also have some image samples in a Flickr album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dourba...57694898508964
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My first impression was of a II, since it has no strap lugs. But it bothered me that it didn't look like a black paint finish (it didn't look like chrome either; more of a "dust" finish). So after Colker posted the serial number, I looked it up: Ko.Fe. called it right. It is a IIIa from 1935.
It couldn't have been a II to begin with since the II does not have a slow speed dial...
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I was lucky enough to find a very clean example and have kept good quality B+W filters on the front since, so no scratches and no haze.



Mine is a 126xxxx
Ditto, mine is an earlier serial number from 1953.







Lots of very nice 50s out there. Examples... the Nikkor 5cm f2 is great, a good Jupiter 8 is too, the Elmar 2.8, Industar 10, and the Konishiroku 5cm f3.5 is very sharp.

A couple of weeks ago I took a bunch of boring shots with my various 50s to see basic differences between them. All handheld and RF focused. On a few I think I missed focus a bit. Album here. For anyone that wants to see them. The Nikkor was CLA'd by Youxin Ye, the Summicron by DAG.

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Well... nikkors are not cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLAd-Nikkor...QAAOSwGPxaKRc-
I shot nikon all my life. It would be ironic to build a Leica w/a nikkor lens.
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That is an earlier collectible lens. Look for the LTM Nippon 5cm f2 models.

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LTM Nikkors are not cheap, but not very good either. The f/2 distorts and the f/1.4 has weak corners.

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It was also the favorite lens of Cartier-Bresson!

Serial number of mine is 1319235 (LTM).

Leica MP, Summicron 50mm f/2 Collapsible, 400-2TMY.

(dull scans, I will print these soon on Adox MCC 110)

Erik.
My scans such a disappointment compared to darkroom prints !
The Lens 50mm Collapsible-Summicron is low contrast..
The group shot by Erik typical of this lens, the image stellar.
I don't advise buying one due to poor samples available..
The same for my M3, the best Leica ever but now really old and risk of viewfinder malfunction..
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Ditto, mine is an earlier serial number from 1953.







Lots of very nice 50s out there. Examples... the Nikkor 5cm f2 is great, a good Jupiter 8 is too, the Elmar 2.8, Industar 10, and the Konishiroku 5cm f3.5 is very sharp.

A couple of weeks ago I took a bunch of boring shots with my various 50s to see basic differences between them. All handheld and RF focused. On a few I think I missed focus a bit. Album here. For anyone that wants to see them. The Nikkor was CLA'd by Youxin Ye, the Summicron by DAG.

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Could you briefly tell me about the viewfinder fitted to the camera in your first image please? What is it; value? I have one here, but really don't know anything about it other than it seems very nice to look through. Recently several Leicas arrived with various 50mm lenses, and as a Leica newb I've been following this discussion with interest, trying to weigh up the pros and cons of various types.
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My scans such a disappointment compared to darkroom prints !
The Lens 50mm Collapsible-Summicron is low contrast..
The group shot by Erik typical of this lens, the image stellar.
I don't advise buying one due to poor samples available..
The same for my M3, the best Leica ever but now really old and risk of viewfinder malfunction..

Thank you, Leicapixie, I agree that this shot is typical for the Collapsible, much different from the Rigid. Quattro Fontane in Rome.

I keep an old M3, but with a great finder, as a donor for the moment that the viewfinder of my black M3 crashes.

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Could you briefly tell me about the viewfinder fitted to the camera in your first image please? What is it; value? I have one here, but really don't know anything about it other than it seems very nice to look through. Recently several Leicas arrived with various 50mm lenses, and as a Leica newb I've been following this discussion with interest, trying to weigh up the pros and cons of various types.
Dear Brett,
looks like a SBOOI I guess?
Worth: In Europe, usually some EUR 40 to EUR 80 (unless it comes w/original leather case/paperwork etc.).
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That is a SBOOI which is a 1:1 (lifesize) 50mm viewfinder. On the IIIG it isn't essential (IIIG finder is better than the earlier Barnacks) but it is still nice to frame that way as you can keep both eyes open and see everything in front of you. I think I paid about $100 for mine but they are all over the place in price. Give it a try and see what you think.

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Once had made a test comparing 32 normal lenses on "FF" digital Sony A7.
Mostly it's SLR lenses, still hope that it may be helpful for also included are 8 RF lenses, Canon LTM f1.8/50 2 versions, f1.5/50, f1.4/50, CZJ f1.5/50, Jupiter 8 f2/50mm, Nikkor-S f1.4/5cm, S-Topcor f2/5cm. Here it is: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuans...7670921126335/
Someone once had asked me if he could use these photos for a site to more easy compare, that's to be found here: https://www.lenshunters.com/tests/a7...l-lenses-test/ it's a very useful site: https://www.lenshunters.com/
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SBOOI allows to frame with both eyes open, it is true 1:1 VF. M3 one isn't. I sold my M3, because Zorli and I guess LTM Leica has 1:1 RF window as well. I don't have to close my eye to focus and to frame. I put SBOOI on M4-2 and on R2M sometimes if I'm into fast shooting with 50.
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