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Old 12-19-2018   #41
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Not bad advice for the 99% of people who aren't geeky enough to be hanging around on photography forums.

But...they won't see this!
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Mmmmmm. Lagavulin. I remember the first time I cracked an Islay and the entire room smelled like a smokey campsite. What a joy. Lol. I did enjoy your essay BTW, was just pointing out that us casual photogs do things for the joy of doing them.
A great one. I'm a Laphroaig guy. Laphroaig 10, specifically, only because in my parts -- PA, we still have archaic "state stores". However, for whatever reason (probably because PA is a big buyer) that particular Islay can be had for a little less than the two big Glens (three if you count the overrated [imo] 'Moragne). That I I really like it even over more expensive drams I've had occession to try.
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The one alcohol I miss are Islay malts, my late uncle haulage firm used to deliver most of the grain to the distilleries, as a result we got loads of free whisky
Wow. Great to have an uncle like that in the family.
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Old 12-19-2018   #44
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Not bad advice for the 99% of people who aren't geeky enough to be hanging around on photography forums.

But...they won't see this!
Bribe Baristas to pop the link on the cups, will spread like wildfire in no time
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Having a monkey and a typewriter as my avatar, I heartily endorse this post!
Did u write that or the monkey?

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Did u write that or the monkey?
That's assuming we're not one and the same.
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Hey Nick!
I've read the whole damn thing.
I still don't know how am i supposed to shoot to become the new Ansel Bresson. How about some real advice?
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And laphroaig 18 is better by miles.
Discontinued?! What are we, animals?!
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Hey Nick!
I've read the whole damn thing.
I still don't know how am i supposed to shoot to become the new Ansel Bresson. How about some real advice?
I didn't even read the whole damned thing, and I typed it!
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And laphroaig 18 is better by miles.
Discontinued?! What are we, animals?!
Too rich for my blood (and wallet). 10'll do me. (Literally and figuratively). Actually the Mrs. will "slightly" give me a little guff over the cost of the stuff. But I advise her that that 5th of Laphroaig will last me 6 mos. (It's to be revered not glugged down like Keystone Ice) How many bottles of wine will she have in that time? Do the math.

I win that argument. Even though I don't. Cause it's with the wife.
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I found out when my parents sent me to Catholic school when I was about six or seven. Unlike public schools where we brought our own crayons to school and they had paper labels on them, this class had thick communal unlabeled crayons which we all shared. I colored my skies purple and my grass brown and the nuns thought I was a discipline problem until it was discovered I was color-blind by the school nurse. (FYI, I *was* a discipline problem also)

When I was in the Marine Corps, I happened to be walking through the mall one day and saw a table full of marked-down jeans at The Gap in Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA. That was in the 80s when colored jeans were fashionable. I didn't want colored jeans though, just blue ones. I found a stack of them at $6 each and bought 4 pair of them. They were indeed purple and not blue, as I was laughingly informed back at the barracks.
Yes. Product of a catholic grade school too. And HS. They graduate heathen atheists donchya know. And, yes, those el cheapo unlabled off-brand crayons did pose some problems.

Glad to see I wasn't the only person who unwittingly sported purple garb a time or three. If I saw you wearing those purple jeans I would have never known they were purple and probably have asked where you got them for such a great discount.
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Nick,
I'm always a little annoyed by people who have never met me, spoken to me nor know anything about me, and yet are willing to dispense advice with the greatest of authority on what my "problems" are. I shoot what I shoot, with what I shoot, and how I shoot because it pleases me to do so, and seem to be getting along just fine.
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One fancy digital leica or twenty bottles of laphroaig 18, Nick.
How long will 20 bottles last?!

Now that i do the math it shocks me.
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I'm always a little annoyed by people who have never met me, spoken to me nor know anything about me, and yet are willing to dispense advice with the greatest of authority on what my "problems" are. I shoot what I shoot, with what I shoot, and how I shoot because it pleases me to do so, and seem to be getting along just fine.
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One fancy digital leica or twenty bottles of laphroaig 18, Nick.
How long will 20 bottles last?
Longer than the Leica?!
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Longer than the Leica?!
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Didn’t Winogrand make a good amount of his own prints? If so, would that qualify as shooting like HCB and printing somewhat like AA? Maybe he wasn’t putting quite the same amount of time into the prints but with the amount of contacts alone that he had to make, that’s a good chunk of time.
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I shoot like Raid Amin. I really enjoy doing what I like to do the way I want to do things.
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On the Enchroma site I am Strong Protan. I tried the glasses and cried because they did nothing significant. Hundreds of dollars they cost. Good sunglasses however.

Overall I know not to tweak the Saturation slider much. Often I desaturate.

I seem to like B&W photos from other people more than their color photos.

I often cull my photos as a separate project.
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Dear Nick,

When setting up false dichotomies in order to stir controversy, it is often as well not to be too detailed and specific, to say nothing of long winded.

There's an excellent idea in there but you over-cooked it and it curdled.

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What means these words; jpeg, sliders, RAW, & Lightroom. Never touched any of those things. Well, maybe jpeg, I will take a 'for the record' shot on my phone occasionally.
Do have piles of negs though. Most of them just junk. Used to shoot a lot, on a Pen F half frame no less. Now too old and too wore out, that and at $5 or $6 a roll I just cannot afford to smoke through 100ft of Tri-X in a couple of days or a week like I did in my youth.

No, nowadays you might find me out with a tripod and home made 4X5 using photo paper for a negative and contact printing (but I would like to move up to 8X10, the price of used film holders in that size is holding me back). Fancy lenses though, series 5 or 6 close up lenses rigged up on a lens board, stopped to f45 or maybe f64, not bad for a single element. Lets see, ISO 6, ….mumble mumble,....take of lens cap...one thousand one, one thousand two, one thou...…...
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Just wanted to post that Pete Souza reported shooting over 2 million shots over an 8 year period when he was White House Photographer under the two terms of President Obama.

Interesting to note that his kit was two Canon DSLR's when he could of chosen any camera. The reason stated was that the Canon had the quietest shutter.

Over those 8 years Pete stated that he only took one sick day and one week's vacation. At this interview I attended at Photoville two years ago Pete owned up to being a bit burnt out and needing a break. He discussed some of his iconic shots and gave the interesting backstories behind the shots.

This featured some of the shots that were going to be in a book that had not been published yet. Lucky I was a volenteer at Photoville and got the early invite. This venue filled fast and only about 600-700 people got into Saint Ann's Warehouse to be part of this event.

This is the real world as far as modern photography, and Pete Souza took it as far as he could. My problem is that I don't think I could of done what Pete did.

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I will begin producing sloppy, ill-rendered images immediately.

Nothing says "I don't care – why should you?" as well as an image that is purposefully displayed well below its full potential.
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From what I've read it seems to me that WES shot a large amount of film and also spend a large amount of time in the darkroom in order to produce prints that met his exacting standards.
WES W Eugene Smith.
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Dear Nick,

When setting up false dichotomies in order to stir controversy, it is often as well not to be too detailed and specific, to say nothing of long winded.

There's an excellent idea in there but you over-cooked it and it curdled.

Cheers,

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Roger! How ya doin' pal???? Hope you been well. Nothing worse than being curdled Oh well, Ill keep your advice in mind next time I set up another false dichotomy.

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HCB and AA aren't the only successful photographers, nor are they polar opposites. There have been successful photographers with methods everywhere in between, and beyond.

Ultimately the only thing that matters is making an interesting photograph.
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From what I've read it seems to me that WES shot a large amount of film and also spend a large amount of time in the darkroom in order to produce prints that met his exacting standards.
WES W Eugene Smith.
M,

WES is a photographer who not only was a great shooter, but also a great printer.

I'm kinda obsessed with him.

Kinda finny but he also was know for shooting all kinds of cameras.

Sadly eventually at the end this celebrated photographer was black balled because he wanted editorial control of his work.

My friend Louis Mendez back in the day when he was a kid hung out and met Gene during the time of the "Jazz Loft."

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First of all, OP needs to study Inner Silence and how some of the portraits were taken.

Second, lets just cut this ... about HCB.

2a. He was not printing, because he has best printers working for him. And he knew what and how he wants it to be printed.

2b. HCB was not snapping as OP might assume. HCB was constantly training his senses and vision. He was drawing in sketchbook. And he has education in art (painting, perspective) and was surrealist by his circle and humanist by his views. It means the VISION and SENSE.

2c. It is known what HCB would select the scene and wait for the trigger.

2d. AA is nothing but home cat, comparing to HCB. It is HCB who followed Chinese Red Army for months. At the war. And HCB knew what is war. It is HCB who took Gandhi last picture in one hour before Gandhi was gone. It was AA who was casually traveling in USA. HCB was first photographer to bring real life pictures from countries AA never been.

Sorry, can't stand lack of knowledge.

BTW, HCB went to the AA land and his landscapes of America are way more alive and interesting comparing to AA rocks and trees. IMHO.
Thank you for articulate observations of HCB's vision and courage, his artistry and humanity. We need more of this!
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WES is a photographer who not only was a great shooter, but also a great printer.

I'm kinda obsessed with him.

Kinda finny but he also was know for shooting all kinds of cameras.

Sadly eventually at the end this celebrated photographer was black balled because he wanted editorial control of his work.

My friend Louis Mendez back in the day when he was a kid hung out and met Gene during the time of the "Jazz Loft."

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Cal,

WES has always been one of my favorite photographers. remember discovering his work when I first became interest in B&W photography back in the mid 70s.

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HCB and AA aren't the only successful photographers, nor are they polar opposites. There have been successful photographers with methods everywhere in between, and beyond.
Well, in at least one way they were polar opposites. After the 1930s.HCB delegated printing to others. For instance, Voja Mitrovic printed HCB's work from 1967–1997. Georges Fevre, Pierre Gassmann, Philippe Jourdain, Toros, Daniel Risset also printed for HCB (link).

For the most part, AA didn't. But he did have assistants and he trusted at least one of them to print some of his work.

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Ultimately the only thing that matters is making an interesting photograph.
Absolutely.

What remains is deciding at what point optimizing rendering aesthetics has diminishing returns.

In a way this is similar to Winogrand's "monkey problem" –*achieving harmony between content and composition.

Some are tempted to use ultra color saturation, tone-mapping or other rendering methods to distract from mundane composition. Others justify neglecting rendering aesthetics when composition is remarkable.
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Well, in at least one way they were polar opposites. After the 1930s.HCB delegated printing to others. For instance, Voja Mitrovic printed HCB's work from 1967–1997. Georges Fevre, Pierre Gassmann, Philippe Jourdain, Toros, Daniel Risset also printed for HCB (link).

For the most part, AA didn't. But he did have assistants and he trusted at least one of them to print some of his work.

Absolutely.

What remains is deciding at what point optimizing rendering aesthetics has diminishing returns.

In a way this is similar to Winogrand's "monkey problem" –*achieving harmony between content and composition.

Some are tempted to use ultra color saturation, tone-mapping or other rendering methods to distract from mundane composition. Others justify neglecting rendering aesthetics when composition is remarkable.
Exactly.

Someone "gets it". Thank you.
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On an extreme end of spray and pray, I recently printed a series of images that were taken from video. I went through a lot of footage and found good frames which would look halfway decent as still images. The video was shot on a Panasonic GH4 in 1080p, so the image itself was only about 2mp in size. The images were cropped to 3:2, processed in black and white with a lot of dodging and bit of burning. They printed at A3 and looked fantastic.

Would the image quality been better from a 8, 12, 16, 24mp camera? Yeah, sure. But this process proved to me that it is more than possible to create decent photographs from video stills, and at 2mp resolution at that. Things can only get better from there.
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