Dave Wilkinson
Mentor
Yesterday while strolling down a quiet suburban lane, an enterprising young gentleman (probably late teens) cycled up behind, and for some reason - took a fancy to the small Billingham bag hanging loosely from my right shoulder. Usually I have my head through, and the strap on the opposite shoulder to the bag, but not this time!. Fortunately as the bag slid down my arm, I managed to get a good grip, and the anchor - effect of my 240lbs. brought everything to a halt. Well, after a very short 'tug 'o war' the surprised young gent decided to abandon the attempt, and with a few choice expletives started to pedal away. My 240lbs. proved a good anchor again, when I grabbed the bike and startled rider!, but as I was vigorously convincing the youth what a bad idea he'd had, a public-spirited man in a car slowed right down, and yelled at me to stop being a 'big bully' and leave him alone, as the lad was 'doing no harm - cycling on the footpath'! 
Well, the bag is fine - the strap and stitching would probably tow a truck! and the old fella still has a little life left - it seems!
Dave.
Well, the bag is fine - the strap and stitching would probably tow a truck! and the old fella still has a little life left - it seems!
Dave.
Acliff
Established
Well done to you and your bag!
Although I'd like to think I am an 'enterprising young gentleman' myself, I can vividly imagine the type of youth you are talking about. I'd like to think you took out a Leica and given him a good hiding, but unfortunately British police don't take too well to that kind of behaviour.
Although I'd like to think I am an 'enterprising young gentleman' myself, I can vividly imagine the type of youth you are talking about. I'd like to think you took out a Leica and given him a good hiding, but unfortunately British police don't take too well to that kind of behaviour.
pachuco
El ****
I wish I was the driver in that car. I would have stopped and helped you "convince" the young lad!
Michael Markey
Mentor
Well done ,Dave. I had a bit of a do myself this week ,with a horse Unfortunately ,unlike you ,I lost. Perhaps if I`d had my Billingham. Did you report the encounter ?
Unfortunately ,unlike you ,I lost. Perhaps if I`d had my Billingham. Did you report the encounter ?
peter_n
Mentor
Well done old chap! Gosh, to think I could have gone to university in Hull too! (Philip Larkin is one of my heroes.)
Dave Wilkinson
Mentor
A short walk from my house - is where he had rooms, and a plaque on the house wall remembers him!. Still pretty trouble-free around the University area!Well done old chap! Gosh, to think I could have gone to university in Hull too! (Philip Larkin is one of my heroes.)
.Dave.
robklurfield
eclipse
whippersnappers!
Dave Wilkinson
Mentor
No...I made my displeasure known - pretty forcibly, and here we are now having to be very careful how enthusiastically we defend our property, before being in big legal trouble - ourselves!Well done ,Dave. I had a bit of a do myself this week ,with a horse
Dave.
Dave Wilkinson
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whatever turns you on - Michael!Well done ,Dave. I had a bit of a do myself this week ,with a horse
Really sorry....just could not resist!
Phantomas
Well-known
You the man, Dave Wilkinson!
And cheers to your humor about it.
And cheers to your humor about it.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
No...I made my displeasure known - pretty forcibly, and here we are now having to be very careful how enthusiastically we defend our property, before being in big legal trouble - ourselves!
Dave.
Where I live its legal to shoot someone who is in the act of robbing you like that. There's a liquor store in the inner city of Fort Wayne whose employees all carry guns. There's a sign on the door that has a picture of a gun and the warning that the employees have killed several robbers and will not hesitate to shoot anyone else who tries to rob the place. The employee uniform is a t-shirt with a gun on it and the same warning! I can think of at least 20 men who have been shot and killed there by the store's employees over the last 10 yrs. Its all over the TV news and in the newspapers when this happens, yet people STILL try to rob the place!
Dave Wilkinson
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Chris...it's crazy over here!, a friend of mine - a big powerful forty year old guy, came downstairs in the middle of the night to find two burglars just leaving the house, he chased them down the street, but could not catch them, he told the cops later that if he had - he would have "kicked the sh*t out of 'em", the police officer said he would then have had to arrest him!
Dave.
Dave Wilkinson
Mentor
I thought chainsaws were popular there?^ Well, that's Texas for you...
People get ready to hit the mall for family night and slide the ol' six shooter on their belt before heading out.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
^ Well, that's Texas for you...
People get ready to hit the mall for family night and slide the ol' six shooter on their belt before heading out.
I'm not in Texas, i'm in Indiana.
FS Vontz
Aspirer
If I was the driver I'd've knocked that **** off his bike
lorriman
Established
Young chaps like that regularly used to enjoy a good birching which improved their posture and demeanour no end. Unfortunately of late some incredibly nice people have banned us from doing this presumably because it's not very nice to the birch.
Tree huggers, huh? Tsk!
Tree huggers, huh? Tsk!
Roger Hicks
Mentor
Well done, Dave, for keeping both your presence of mind and your camera bag.
Cheers,
R.
Cheers,
R.
Peter_Jones
Well-known
DW - you're right, the law in the UK creates a situation whereby if you defend yourself, your family or your property against someone who wishes to either harm you or relieve you of your belongings, then you are in the wrong not the assailant.
(If you ever meet me, ask me about the rifle incident.)
(If you ever meet me, ask me about the rifle incident.)
Roger Hicks
Mentor
Dear Peter,DW - you're right, the law in the UK creates a situation whereby if you defend yourself, your family or your property against someone who wishes to either harm you or relieve you of your belongings, then you are in the wrong not the assailant.
(If you ever meet me, ask me about the rifle incident.)
Not exactly. If they are attacking you, or you are in reasonable fear of assault, you can use reasonable force (which is generously interpreted). If they are trying to run away, then yes, the law in the UK has gone too far in the direction you describe.
It is difficult (though far from impossible) to imagine a situation where a rifle would be 'reasonable force'. For example, if you were carring a rifle and the villain ran towards you, you'd almost certainly get away with shooting him (assuming the rifle was legally held). If he ran away, it would be a different matter.
I've never practised, but I do have a law degree and keep an eye on the law.
Cheers,
R.
Frontman
Well-known
You gotta love the UK and the way it protects criminals. Defending property with force will get arrested for assault, which is a more serious offense than a charge of theft or burglary. The thief will be out of jail before you are.
The result is that you can steal with near impunity, with no threat of violence from those you steal from, and no worries of serious punishment by the authorities.
I guess it's no surprise that the rate of violent crime in the UK now surpasses that of the US.
The result is that you can steal with near impunity, with no threat of violence from those you steal from, and no worries of serious punishment by the authorities.
I guess it's no surprise that the rate of violent crime in the UK now surpasses that of the US.