robklurfield
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that's possible. I wouldn't know his mindset; he might or might not be aware of that considerable history. I didn't ask him. curiously, on Sunday, the day after I made this image, my wife and I attended the Infinite Jest exhibit at the Met which covers about four and ahlf century of exactly the topic of political and social caricatures.
zauhar
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Roger, that is very well-put. I might add that simply telling someone "your picture is not as good as <fill in the blank>" is b$$sh$t. If you say "You weren't close enough" (one of my big flaws), "the scene is too busy", etc., you have provided something useful, and provided it is given in a generous spirit the recipient will likely accept the critique and think it over.
Randy
dreilly
Chillin' in Geneva
I'd be okay with this thread just being images. They speak more powerfully than words, or not, I suppose it depends on what the viewer brings to the viewing. Anyhow, I am really enjoying what different rff photogs are finding in the movement. It's much more open than what I'm seeing in the mass media, which is almost universally dismissive if not openly scornful of the protestors--and that includes the photographers, or at least, the photo editors.
NickTrop
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Lloyd Blankfein in effigy. Estimated personal economic net worth $450 million.
Damn!!! Great shot!
@All - thanks for participating on this thread! Great, great, greats stuff being posted - love it! However, it's too much to for me to comment on individually - though I wish I could (especially since the weekend is over and it's back to woik for me...)
Toying with the idear of going up to New York myself this weekend to where the action is... not/sure but if anyone in New York is interested in joining me if I do, lem'me know please.
In the meantime - keep'em rolling!
NickTrop
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Of course it's scornful! We have an ever consolidating corporate media in the US and first and foremost the movement is anti-corporate. That's why it's important that pictures of "the real deal" get out there to change perceptions as yours have been changed... one image at a time.
Now - do you have Facebook? Tumblr? Whatever?
Post a link to this thread!
Participate in real photojournalism - 21st century-style.
Put that rangefinder to work...
Real work!
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NickTrop
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I Reiterat - IN BOLD
I Reiterat - IN BOLD
@ ALL
Now - do you have Facebook? Tumblr? Whatever?
Post a link to this thread!
Participate in real photojournalism - 21st century-style.
Put that rangefinder to work...
Real work!
How coo' would it be for something on RFF to go viral? But more importantly, something and someone (This means YOU!
needs to document the OWS movement!
Ideally, this thread could/should have 1000's of pictures of OWS - the real deal. That's the idear, and that's the intent.
Get out there!
Shoot!
Post!
Pass the link along!
Regards,
Nick
I Reiterat - IN BOLD
@ ALL
Now - do you have Facebook? Tumblr? Whatever?
Post a link to this thread!
Participate in real photojournalism - 21st century-style.
Put that rangefinder to work...
Real work!
How coo' would it be for something on RFF to go viral? But more importantly, something and someone (This means YOU!
needs to document the OWS movement! Ideally, this thread could/should have 1000's of pictures of OWS - the real deal. That's the idear, and that's the intent.
Get out there!
Shoot!
Post!
Pass the link along!
Regards,
Nick
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Coldkennels
Barnack-toting Brit.
Done and done. I normally wear my politics on my sleeve, but being as I know they're not welcome here, I'll leave them at the door. I will, however, say this: it's great to see some reportage of events that (here in the UK, at least) are going completely ignored. I hope it continues, and I wish with all my heart that I had the money and the means to join you.
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paulfish4570
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nick, after having worked a long career for newspapers, mostly as an editor, and having known and worked with hundereds of reporters and photographers, i can state categorically - in my experience - that most reporters and photographers live, breathe and eat with an anti-corporate attitude. they go into any anti-corporate event with that attitude. the really good ones, though, bring back a variety of point of view in photos and quotes and goings-on. something else to remember about excperienced journalists of any political stripe: they are cynical to their very bones, and can sniff out insincere and bogus events and people. that may be resulting in what you are seeing in the coverage by some in the big-dog media ...
robklurfield
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Paul, I think the major media outlets have become very much like lemmings. They all chase whatever seems to be the latest buzz. I think there are far too many people reporting far too little in the way of fresh information. This is not a political statement, because I think it cuts across all points of view in the political spectrum. It would be nice if editors feared less about what will sell and actually passed out more assignments that didn't involve everyone reporting on the same angle. I think the public would be better served and, if they embraced broader, deeper reporting, we might actually find ourselves better informed and more deeply engaged. The media these days -- on both the right and the left -- seems to be far to reductive in their approach. They're all looking for what will sell papers, TV ads, etc. I think there's an awful lot out there that isn't reported well or at all. My image earlier of a Vietnam vet in this thread drives this home for me. I'm not seeing folks like this guy being interviewed or photographed. His sign tells his story at a glance and it may not be the same story we're seeing on TV, on the web or in major print news outlets. I'm sure an interview with him would be fascinating and revealing of the diversity of ideas that are present at this protest. Like an awful lot of our society these days, I'm afraid that the new media has become over homogenized and much to the detriment of us all.
Hey, BTW, I didn't realize you'd spent your career as an editor. I learn something new every day.
Hey, BTW, I didn't realize you'd spent your career as an editor. I learn something new every day.
JSU
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Absolutely the very best comments not directly related to images I have read in this thread. THIS needs saying and repeated, often.
Photojournalism, to some extent, is what each and every individual chooses it to be, either as a consumer or a source. Be a source and it will make you a better more enlightened consumer.
Photojournalism, to some extent, is what each and every individual chooses it to be, either as a consumer or a source. Be a source and it will make you a better more enlightened consumer.
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robklurfield
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dreilly
Chillin' in Geneva
Cynicism is pessimism out of balance. I find that people most often find what they are looking for: cynical ones find hypocrites and poseurs, optimists similarly find true believers. Somewhere between is good reporting I suppose, with a eye towards trying to establish the ratio of one to the other somewhat accurately. If most journalists are cynics then I really don't want them reporting on anything. If they're anti-corporate to their cores then they are in a particularly unfortunate position given media agglomeration in the last couple decades. But unfortunate or not cynics will just find and spread more of the same and I would argue, as a photographer and as a journalist, that it's not the right worldview for the job at hand.
In my minds this turn in the conversation is a very photographic topic: how does one's sensibility to the world effect one's photography?
In my minds this turn in the conversation is a very photographic topic: how does one's sensibility to the world effect one's photography?
Bobbo
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...if I could get a single one of my film reels to cooperate right now, I'd share some pictures from Occupy Buffalo on Sunday.
As it sits right now, I'm about to throw every piece of film gear I own out in the garbage can... I knew I should have taken my D90, but noooo, I had to go all "RFF" :bang:
As it sits right now, I'm about to throw every piece of film gear I own out in the garbage can... I knew I should have taken my D90, but noooo, I had to go all "RFF" :bang:
uhoh7
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andersju and zauhar:
you both have some stand out shots, Z I like your first shot, and andersju, "I could loose my job": real nice one
you both have some stand out shots, Z I like your first shot, and andersju, "I could loose my job": real nice one
fotomeow
name under my name
there is always one naked guy in San Francisco
there is always one naked guy in San Francisco
Invariably, there is always one naked person who joins the protests in San Francisco: sometimes they have a political agenda, sometimes they don't. In one sense, walking down the street naked in front of cops may be the ultimate eff you!
there is always one naked guy in San Francisco
Invariably, there is always one naked person who joins the protests in San Francisco: sometimes they have a political agenda, sometimes they don't. In one sense, walking down the street naked in front of cops may be the ultimate eff you!
zauhar
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Paul, if by that you mean the "occupy" protests are insincere, you could not be more wrong. They recognize that they have no future, unless they make it themselves.
I too sometimes have a cynical view of youth today - not literate, not motivated, etc. The reality I see here in Philly, and via what coverage I see from NYC sets me straight - they are organized, humane, and sincere to the bone. The cynic in me could say that last characteristic will be their undoing, but I choose to believe it will be their salvation.
I may have misunderstood the point you were making, forgive me if I am responding inappropriately.
Randy
Thardy
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Interesting sign. I wonder who she blames for those problems?
robklurfield
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Thardy,
I carried a camera, not a sign. I didn't ask who this young lady blames. I'm going to avoid taking sides in this debate, other than to reflect that there are two sides to it and both of them have things about which they are right and other about which they are wrong. Anyone who only chooses to see only one side is making a huge mistake.
Anyway, I posted to pictures to record what I saw not debate it. As Joe Back Alley has opined, this thread should be about the images not the politics. What I saw at the rally was a multiplicity of viewpoints; some better reasoned than others; some more fact based than others. You'll notice that one of my images contains a pair of young man promoting Ron Paul. It was at the rally, so I shot it. Another had a Vietnam vet with a sign stating his view point. It's all part of the rather complicated tapestry of the country that I live in and love; the country that sometimes confounds and confuses me; that sometimes pisses me off; but that I always think has the potential for more and future greatness because we can have debates and elections and rallies. And from somewhere in all that debate, sometimes good answers to new problems may emerge. That makes us fortunate -- that we can do these kinds of things.
Anyway, as I said at the top of this post, I was a viewer, not a marcher.
I carried a camera, not a sign. I didn't ask who this young lady blames. I'm going to avoid taking sides in this debate, other than to reflect that there are two sides to it and both of them have things about which they are right and other about which they are wrong. Anyone who only chooses to see only one side is making a huge mistake.
Anyway, I posted to pictures to record what I saw not debate it. As Joe Back Alley has opined, this thread should be about the images not the politics. What I saw at the rally was a multiplicity of viewpoints; some better reasoned than others; some more fact based than others. You'll notice that one of my images contains a pair of young man promoting Ron Paul. It was at the rally, so I shot it. Another had a Vietnam vet with a sign stating his view point. It's all part of the rather complicated tapestry of the country that I live in and love; the country that sometimes confounds and confuses me; that sometimes pisses me off; but that I always think has the potential for more and future greatness because we can have debates and elections and rallies. And from somewhere in all that debate, sometimes good answers to new problems may emerge. That makes us fortunate -- that we can do these kinds of things.
Anyway, as I said at the top of this post, I was a viewer, not a marcher.
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NickTrop
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Here's a few of mine from last Saturday.
Yeah - more stuff from Philly! Looks like a great turn-out, Saturday. More "overnighters" than I thought there'd be. Thanks for posting!
paulfish4570
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i have not watched tv at all, nor read more than six words on the ocw business. i have no idea if the people are sincere or not. i merely was suggesting that cynicism might be the root of what nick sees as biased coverage. i remember watching some major medias tea party coverage and reading some about the movement. i saw what nick says he sees in major media coverage of ocw: bias against the movement.
you pays you money and you takes you chasnces ...
you pays you money and you takes you chasnces ...
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