Nikkor P.C 85mm f/2 questions

Is the black paint version 1 reasonable to buy at current asking prices in excess of 1200 USD or is this money thrown to greedy dealers, catering to "might be" collectors?

I bought mine for US 400 or so a few years back, Dirk. US 1200 is a bit excessive, but then again, nowadays all Leica mount lenses are.

You might want to go for the Nikkor 10.5/2.5 instead, which still is quite affordable.

Roland.
 
I just weighed my S-mount final version black 8.5cm f2. It weighs 338 grams.

Rotoloni's book lists the weight of the version before mine (first black S-mount version) at 377 grams, and all versions before that at 435 grams. These weights are for the S-mount versions.

My guess is that the S-mount version is about 12 grams heavier than the corresponding LTM version, so 365 grams for the final LTM version in black or chrome (as per Ari's data) and 423 grams for older versions.
Thanks for confirming Jon ;-)
To be honest, I don't even have a kitchen scale handy to do this - haha.

I bought mine for US 400 or so a few years back, Dirk. US 1200 is a bit excessive, but then again, nowadays all Leica mount lenses are.

You might want to go for the Nikkor 10.5/2.5 instead, which still is quite affordable.

Roland.

Roland, yes prices were indeed exploding for anything, attachable to a Leica. If some clever businessman would have figured out a way to market a "kitchen broom to M adapter", I feel, the market would be flooded by 1000 USD collectible pre war kitchen brooms, selling on eBay …

I actually do have a late Nikkor 105/2.5 LTM, but never really used it.
I got it at the same time, I bought my Canon 100/2 LTM and really prefer the Canon as of handling, speed and because it is such a fantastic lens all by itself.
I have to give that 105mm another run at some point.
 
$1200 sounds excessive. If you have to have it now, I guess that's what it costs. If you're patient, I think you could find one in the $800 range.
 
$1200 sounds excessive. If you have to have it now, I guess that's what it costs. If you're patient, I think you could find one in the $800 range.

Thanks - I have all the patience in the world with way too many lenses in that focal length :D

Did anybody compare the 85/1.5 Sonnar to the 85/2 in imaging?
 
Thank you Ari.
I once had as loaners a Nikon 105 and an 85, and I bought the 105. Now I will have both.
 
The thread led to my purchase of a Nikon 85mm/2 LTM a few minutes ago.

Raid,

Congratulations on your new acquisition!

If your lens did not come with a hood, and you want one, here's a tip for a hood for this lens:

The T-50-2 made by Canon fits the Nikkor 85 perfectly and can be bought on the big auction site relatively inexpensively.

I have that hood on my own Nikkor 85.

Enjoy the lens!

Ellen
 
The T-50-2 made by Canon fits the Nikkor 85 perfectly and can be bought on the big auction site relatively inexpensively.

The Canon hood for the 85/1.9 also works very nicely, and is a bit more compact, I believe. (Also, I have 2 for sale in the RFF classifieds, but that's a coincidence. :angel: )

::Ari
 
Raid,

Congratulations on your new acquisition!

If your lens did not come with a hood, and you want one, here's a tip for a hood for this lens:

The T-50-2 made by Canon fits the Nikkor 85 perfectly and can be bought on the big auction site relatively inexpensively.

I have that hood on my own Nikkor 85.

Enjoy the lens!

Ellen

Thank you, Ellen. I may already have such a lens hood somewhere in "the closet". Once I get the lens, I will try things out.

Raid
 
The Canon hood for the 85/1.9 also works very nicely, and is a bit more compact, I believe. (Also, I have 2 for sale in the RFF classifieds, but that's a coincidence. :angel: )

::Ari

I regret having sold my Canon 85/1.9. It is such a beautiful lens overall.
I tried to be logical at the time as I got a 75mm 1.4 Lux, but with RF camera and lens collecting and using, there is little room for logic.
There is as much joy with cheap equipment than is with the expensive ones.
 
There is as much joy with cheap equipment than is with the expensive ones.
Absolutely true!

But I consider a 300-400 USD lens not exactly cheap. You get brand new DSLR prime lenses for that kind of money! People buy complete cameras for this amount.

Just because Leica glass prices are sky high and entirely out of proportion, the "cheap" gear doesn't become cheap.

Think about it - put together a nice kit of three lenses and an old RF film body and you easily top out more expenses than buying one of the advanced DSLR bodies with a kit lens nowadays.

Anyway, I personally love, how easy you can work on the Nikon and Canon lenses, cleaning, adjusting and even modifying them.
On many lenses of the time, Leica indeed went a different philosophical path in construction, while especially Canon designed their RF lenses to be fully adjustable, which I love.
They might not feel as refined and expensive and did not have the engineering dedication, to go to the edge of what is possible, but they are wonderful lenses!

As a nice example, I just finished the focussing mount of a Canon 0.95 - THAT is a hunk of metal ! Canon engineers entirely overbuilt this focussing unit! It probably would pierce an engine block, shot from a Canon and still focus smoothly thereafter!

Compare this with the much more refined and optimized (weight) of a Noctilux mount.
The construction of the Noctilux f1 looks like that of an F1 car, compared to the NASCAR built of the Canon lens.

I see, I am swerving off topic ;-)

Raid, enjoy those lenses coming your way! I am envious on the Nikkor 21mm btw.
 
Thank you menos. When you see some people paying several thousand Dollars for one lens, suddenly a lens that costs $400 looks "cheap". My most expensive lenses so far have been the two Summilux 35 and 75 in used condition anda t excellent prices.

I never open up lenses. I may not be able to put them back together.

I don't want to pay that much for a Leica or Zeiss 21mm lens. Equipment is not necesarily so expensive for good photography. My W-Rokkor 21mm cost me $200. I already had the Minolta-Leica adapter.

The Nikkor is another SLR wide angle lens for my RF cameras.
 
Ok, here we go. In order of release:

...

Regular version - 20,770 lenses. f2 - f32. black barrel and chrome barrel intermixed. click stops. marked Japan. s/n 289550 - 296749 and 396301 - 404612

Bingo! My copy is roughly in the middle of the regular version. S/N 29308x. Click stops to f/32. All chrome. Minimum focus distance a whisker less than 3'-6". Feet only scale. "Nippon Kogaku Japan" 526 grams.

Tip:
Add a 48mm-49mm step up ring. Filters suddenly become available and cheap.
Next, go looking for an Olympus rubber hood in 49mm and marked for 2/85mm and 2.8/100mm lenses. Works perfectly on the Nikkor.
One more thing: A Sonnar by any name is just as sweet. That also goes for the Super Takumar 150mm/2.8 for the Pentax 6x7 system.

Wayne
 
FWIW, the older chrome LTM lens I had was #293137, and it had f/32 with click stops, and aperture settings marked only on one side of the barrel.

::Ari

Interesting. Mine, No. 293088, is a slightly older cousin. Perhaps made on the same day. Surely in the same week. Small world.

Wayne
 
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