kshapero
South Florida Man
Now that I think about it, I might even jump into an RF type digital (I did have a NEX 5 for a few months) if the market would just slow down. I know it is Photokina time but darn, new models are coming out almost daily.
literiter
Well-known
In terms of quality of an image or utility of a digital camera I have no comment really, except to say I'm impressed. It seems to get better with every new camera or lens developed.
The problem for me will be; there seems to be, literally, a new camera making it's debut every day.
One day it is the Sony Nex 5 (which I almost bought) then the Sony Nex 7 came out ( that so impressed the heck out of me) then someone said to look at the Nikon D800 ( incredible, absolutely incredible ) and tomorrow what are we gonna have......?
When I bought my Nikon F2, so many years ago, it turned out to be in production from 1971 to 1980 ( yep, 9 years ). When the Nikon F3 came out it stayed in production from 1980 until 2001 ( 21 years ).
My Leica M2 which is a later iteration of the Leica M3, basically stayed in production with slight improvements until the Leica M4-P ( 30 years )! Or if you wanna argue; the Leica MP ( 50 years )!
As soon as I get used to one digital camera I get seduced by the next one,
which is so impressive, so utterly magnificent that it makes the earlier one redundant.
My mind is completely boggled.
I'm gonna wait for the next film F2 and see if I can afford it.
The problem for me will be; there seems to be, literally, a new camera making it's debut every day.
One day it is the Sony Nex 5 (which I almost bought) then the Sony Nex 7 came out ( that so impressed the heck out of me) then someone said to look at the Nikon D800 ( incredible, absolutely incredible ) and tomorrow what are we gonna have......?
When I bought my Nikon F2, so many years ago, it turned out to be in production from 1971 to 1980 ( yep, 9 years ). When the Nikon F3 came out it stayed in production from 1980 until 2001 ( 21 years ).
My Leica M2 which is a later iteration of the Leica M3, basically stayed in production with slight improvements until the Leica M4-P ( 30 years )! Or if you wanna argue; the Leica MP ( 50 years )!
As soon as I get used to one digital camera I get seduced by the next one,
which is so impressive, so utterly magnificent that it makes the earlier one redundant.
My mind is completely boggled.
I'm gonna wait for the next film F2 and see if I can afford it.
icebear
Mentor
Ut oh, when is the digital photography "has no soul" comment coming?
Well it doesn't. I thought by now that was well understood and didn't need to be re-stated.
Does it matter which what camera a shot was taken ?
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=188656&ppuser=6650
It's like, it does matter on which canvas a painter created his painting or which type of brushes he used, keep on ranting folks, you seem to enjoy it
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boomguy57
Well-known
Instead of asking "why do we still shoot film?" maybe ask yourself this: "I have all these great film cameras, so why should I shoot digital?"
fraley
Beware of Claws
I'm with you Keith. Consumer snappers get acceptable exposure and focus with their auto-everything cameras. They don't automatically get good pictures, that still requires some effort/skill/talent. And great pictures require even more dedication than the casual consumer will exert.
I like the new avatar Akiva.
'Mysticism?' ... I think with the constant, relentless roll out of new digital gear the stability of film and the cameras that use it is reassuring. I'm finding this constant barrage of new digital cameras pretty tedious personally ... it's de-valuing what I regard as a legitimate art form and turning it into more twenty first century consumer driven crap to amuse the masses.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
...and the same is true whether you're recording light with film or a digital sensor.
froyd
Mentor
Does it matter which what camera a shot was taken ?
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=188656&ppuser=6650
It's like, it does matter on which canvas a painter created his painting or which type of brushes he used, keep on ranting folks, you seem to enjoy it
It does matter to the painter if his brushes are giving him a callus and hold their shape poorly. Skill and dedication might still allow him to reach the same result that he would have achieve using his preferred tools, but his enjoyment of the process would most likely suffer for it. And if you do want to get mystical --or is this turning into a rant?-- who knows what impact enjoying the creative process has on the finished work.
The example above clearly does not apply to everyone, but in my case, the right camera (right for me, of course) does make a difference in my enjoyment of photography and even in the quality of images I am able to capture.
lam
Well-known
Wait, film is dying?
(obligatory if not mentioned already.)
and I agree, we hold on because we're guys (and gals). More so, we're illogical, and it's damn good we are, could you imagine being like everyone else?
(obligatory if not mentioned already.)
and I agree, we hold on because we're guys (and gals). More so, we're illogical, and it's damn good we are, could you imagine being like everyone else?
barnwulf
Well-known
I don't think of it as holding on. It's just the way I have been shooting for quite a few years. I have several very nice Leicas including an MP, M3 and M2 and I enjoy using them for most all of my shooting. I also love shooting with my old rangefinder folders like my Zeiss Super Ikonta IV. I have a M8 and but sold my D300 and D700 and returned to film Leicas. I don't shoot with the M8 very often although I enjoy shooting with it sometimes. I just like film and film cameras. - Jim
Photo_Smith
Well-known
Does it matter which what camera a shot was taken ?
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=188560&ppuser=6650
It's like, it does matter on which canvas a painter created his painting or which type of brushes he used, keep on ranting folks, you seem to enjoy it
I think it does, as does the experience and the quality I achieve. I'm afraid just don't like digital images in the main, I have a DSLR and just don't use it for anything important–If I did I'd wish I shot it on film.
In the linked shot of yours (yes I taken a small liberty) it shows why I'm not that wild about digital technology–sorry if that's cruel I just don't like it.
From my own digital camera (a Nikon DSLR) has a noise pattern i just hate at 1600:
I much prefer this at 1600:
So to me it very much matters on what camera a photo is taken on, it is part of my creative decision and process, hence I prefer film and will use it while I can.
Gumby
Mentor
it'sawhat?
Established
lol gumby I get a mental picture of John Cleese shouting 'I am Gumby damn it. ' at the mention of your screen name. I stick with film for 3 basic reasons . 1 Upfront cost of good digital versus say my MF kit, 2 I'm comfortable with my gear, 3 I still like the look of and the process of using film. If film goes away I have enough other interests to keep my busy.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
The closer film gets to the 'wall' the more attracted I am to cameras that are the opposite of what the big companies are currently offering en masse... auto everything etc in something that fits in the pocket or glovebox. In reality Sony, Fuji and crew are only doing what Kodak did all those years ago by trying to put a camera (their camera) in everyone's hands ... so as much as I despise this current onslaught of new and 'better' cameras I agree with what someone said above that it's not the media that's the problem. It's the mindset and gullibility of consumers that open their wallets every time something new is offered to them. The world now is effectively knee deep in cameras that were sold during film's prime by manufacturers who couldn't make them fast enough to feather their own nests ... walk into your average thrift store and there will be a cabinet bursting with these horrible little plastic point and shoots ... ugh! They should have become landfill years ago and I'm sure millions of them have!
Meanwhile we treasure the tools that were made for 'real' photographers, the beautiful rangefinders and SLRs etc from the era when it mattered to have a decent camera if you were at all serious about your photography and wanted to step out of the shadow of those horrible little blobs of plastic that lurked in the office drawer, car glovebox, handbag etc.
The thing is those horrible blobs of pastic got film to where it was via the hands of mums, dads and kids fom that golden era and as much as I dislike the modern equivalents they are way more capable than those things were and they have made digital what it is today.
In the meantime I love my OM-1 and my new Widelux has been one of the most rewarding cameras to learn to master that I have ever bought ... it's an unbelievably enjoyable thing to shoot with and it can burn through a roll of film faster than anything I've ever owned. Currently I feel very lucky to be able to feed it film at the price I do with the variety that is still available and I hope to f*** that lasts through my lifetime and numerous generations after me.
We have to be positive ... just get out there and shoot the damned stuff!
Meanwhile we treasure the tools that were made for 'real' photographers, the beautiful rangefinders and SLRs etc from the era when it mattered to have a decent camera if you were at all serious about your photography and wanted to step out of the shadow of those horrible little blobs of plastic that lurked in the office drawer, car glovebox, handbag etc.
The thing is those horrible blobs of pastic got film to where it was via the hands of mums, dads and kids fom that golden era and as much as I dislike the modern equivalents they are way more capable than those things were and they have made digital what it is today.
In the meantime I love my OM-1 and my new Widelux has been one of the most rewarding cameras to learn to master that I have ever bought ... it's an unbelievably enjoyable thing to shoot with and it can burn through a roll of film faster than anything I've ever owned. Currently I feel very lucky to be able to feed it film at the price I do with the variety that is still available and I hope to f*** that lasts through my lifetime and numerous generations after me.
We have to be positive ... just get out there and shoot the damned stuff!
KM-25
Well-known
I'm not an RF guy and I am not holding onto anything. I just shoot what I shoot, film for over 35 years and digital for most of my 22 year career. I use film more than ever because I simply can and it helps me further separate my self from the digital masses when it comes right down to business...
I love my D800, D4 and X100 but I love film more, so I use it, soup it, hand print it and bill for it. Life is better for me this way..
I love my D800, D4 and X100 but I love film more, so I use it, soup it, hand print it and bill for it. Life is better for me this way..
Gumby
Mentor
KM-25
Well-known
It's amazing that you are so welcomed here.
I own and use some RF gear, but I don't refer to my self as said guy, just as a photographer who uses various tools..;-)
icebear
Mentor
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From my own digital camera (a Nikon DSLR) has a noise pattern i just hate at 1600:
I don't see the point of blowing something up beyond a certain limit of resolution, just to prove the difference of the medium.
Yes, at some point beyond 100% you will see typical mosaic pattern. If you look at a negative with 10x magnifier, you will see the grain.
In case you use an online print service, they will tell what will be the max. size that makes sense to print. If you have a 24x36mm negative you are most likely also not going to make a A2 size print
.rbsinto
Well-known
I shoot film because:
I generally dislike electronic devices (and from my experience the feelings are mutual) and prefer the simplicity and logic of analog cameras.
I therefore have no desire to amass the mountain of electronic acutruements that my Digibuds feel the need to schlepp about when they shoot, and play with after they've done so.
I love the look of the colour slides I shoot and really have no interest in the endless computer manipulations that my digital friends seem compelled to do to their images. Yes I do scan to put photos on the sites like this, but the manipulations are kept to a minimum.
Film and I are old friends and I know what I'll get when I shoot. And since I've never had the instant gratification of a digital camera, I don't miss it, or particularly yearn to have it.
My photography doesn't suffer because I'm not shooting Digital, so I don't feel compelled to switch.
I generally dislike electronic devices (and from my experience the feelings are mutual) and prefer the simplicity and logic of analog cameras.
I therefore have no desire to amass the mountain of electronic acutruements that my Digibuds feel the need to schlepp about when they shoot, and play with after they've done so.
I love the look of the colour slides I shoot and really have no interest in the endless computer manipulations that my digital friends seem compelled to do to their images. Yes I do scan to put photos on the sites like this, but the manipulations are kept to a minimum.
Film and I are old friends and I know what I'll get when I shoot. And since I've never had the instant gratification of a digital camera, I don't miss it, or particularly yearn to have it.
My photography doesn't suffer because I'm not shooting Digital, so I don't feel compelled to switch.
paulfish4570
Mentor
because we have strong grips ...
bfffer
Established
couple things for me.
1, no more new model chase, focus on shooting
2, i love the work flow, loading film sets both iso and white balance, film advance is a reminder for a careful shot.
3, hard copy of your work.
4, stylish and unique camera, with many different way controls
5, more photo, less retake
6, trust myself instead of doubting and check replay
7, interacting with fellow shooters in develop stores.
8, less buttons and interface.
i guess they do not relate image quality at all!!
1, no more new model chase, focus on shooting
2, i love the work flow, loading film sets both iso and white balance, film advance is a reminder for a careful shot.
3, hard copy of your work.
4, stylish and unique camera, with many different way controls
5, more photo, less retake
6, trust myself instead of doubting and check replay
7, interacting with fellow shooters in develop stores.
8, less buttons and interface.
i guess they do not relate image quality at all!!