zauhar
Mentor
I just saw the message from Freestyle that the Jobo CPP-3 processor is available -
$3,519.99, including the lift accessory.
I would love to have one of these, but not at that figure. Will anyone actually pay that price?
Randy
$3,519.99, including the lift accessory.
I would love to have one of these, but not at that figure. Will anyone actually pay that price?
Randy
dfatty
Well-known
i saw the price the other day and was speechless. they really are great little machines, esp with the lift. i would consider a new one since my older cpa-2 has the weak motor, but the current ask is way beyond my budget.
Wow ... one of these and the new Plustek scanner and your in Leica M digital territory money wise!
The consistency of the system is what will appeal to many I guess but I find it's the slight lack of consistency in my current method that makes it so interesting and rewarding.
The consistency of the system is what will appeal to many I guess but I find it's the slight lack of consistency in my current method that makes it so interesting and rewarding.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
The price is simply ridiculous. I want to know where all these photographers are that these companies think can spend these astounding sums of money for things that costs very little to manufacture.
rawhead
Established
For $3600 I would rather purchase 3-4 CPA/CPP-2s on Ebay and curate them for the next 15 years. I've actually come half way already, since, besides my late verion CPP-2, I have the latest version CPA-2 sitting in my basement till the day the CPP-2 croaks.
Short answer: I'm not buyin'
Short answer: I'm not buyin'
Michalm
Well-known
Someone should have enlighten these guys ,, film is dead'' already , and this Jobo thingi would only make very expensive coffin LOL
bob338
Well-known
That's a lot of money! I bought my CPP-2 w/lift for $50 on Craigslist, and my neighbor gave me an ATL-1000 for free!
I'm very happy to see they're making 1000ml bottles again, and a few of the smaller parts, but there is no circumstance where I would pay $3500 for a home based film processor. You can get an ATL2000 for less than that!
I'm very happy to see they're making 1000ml bottles again, and a few of the smaller parts, but there is no circumstance where I would pay $3500 for a home based film processor. You can get an ATL2000 for less than that!
dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
I was excited when I saw the email from Freestyle, then I laughed and closed the browser when I saw the price. Shame.
bwcolor
Mentor
.. I would guess that it will be off the market very soon. Who do they think that they are?
Sigma..
Sigma..
Omerhecht
Member
I have a feeling its here to stay - check this out:
http://processorparts.blogspot.com/2013/02/jobo-cpp3-first-impressions-part-i.html
literiter
Well-known
I'm surprised at the cost of this stuff as well. Most of the thing is plastic.
I have an early model Jobo CPPE I bought about 1987. I paid something like 500 dollars for it.
There are a lot of other options
Rayt
Nonplayer Character
My friend a hobbyist wanted to get one and asked me to source it for him so I looked into it. I can't find where Jobo says they are going to resume production of the tanks. The tanks especially the ones for large format are in the crazy price range at the usual places so unless you already have everything already and just want to upgrade I can't see why I would get into Jobo now.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Well, the original CPP was a far more simple beast than the later models, but still cost around 1200DM new, so I suspect you had a CPE, their basic entry model - about one third of a CPP in material, complexity and capacity.
It may sound expensive, but the price (then and now) is much lower than the 1980's new price of e.g. a Colenta (which proved to have much lower longevity than the "plastics" Jobos). And for current lab requirements with their long downtimes and frequent changes of processes and materials it is far more useful than a used Jobo ATL (which most current users would have to reprogram and recalibrate for each run) - used CPP2s go for very high prices, higher than ATL's, so there obviously is a market even when they are made in low numbers (and at high cost compared to past production volumes).
zauhar
Mentor
Anything made in small quantities is expensive (e.g. the famous $500 toilet seats made for the military). It may be plastic, but you need to make molds, etc., not to mention the electronics.
I didn't see any mention as to how big a production run they made. Had they been more "optimistic" and produced a lot of them, they may have brought the price low enough to actually sell some.
Given the price they set, I will need to rely on the basement sink for temperature control, and the Massive Dev Chart app for everything else.
(Actually, with a laboratory thermometer I can keep it within +/- 0.5 C without too much grief!)
Randy
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
They never stopped making tanks and reels. They had no more US distribution for a while, so they appeared to have vanished in the US. But you could always buy at least the most relevant subset of their former tank line-up in Germany (some intermediate sizes and all paper tanks have been discontinued, and so have some odd items like 16mm reels).
Omerhecht
Member
The CPP3 controls the temp down to 0.1 degree, which is crucial when you are doing E-6, and even more then that when you want the exact same 20C you had last week for this weeks film processing, there are not that many options out there that do what a Jobo can do, actually - there are none.
Sure you can hand process films and get "kinda\sorta" accuracy but its not quite the same when put under a photosensitometer.
Jobo Expert drums seem to be back ordered all the time, which leads me to believe that despite the high cost they cannot make enough to supply the current demand.
From what i have seen with dates being pushed back for delivery of the new machine i am guessing that is also the case with the CPP3 - there wait lists...
zauhar
Mentor
Yes, I agree that it might be really critical in some circumstances. That said, I have processed E-6 with pretty good results with temperature control of around 1 C; for E-6 my sense is that the agitation scheme has a bigger impact than the temp.
YES, I do realize that ALL that will be under firm control with the CPP3! Maybe when my ship comes in - the damn thing keeps puttering around in the harbor.
Randy
Omerhecht
Member
Zauhar - its time to get that GPS fixed on that ship.. 
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Fotohuis
Well-known
This price is exactly twice the price of the older CPP-2 when they stopped in 2006/2007 producing it.
Now it is a niche market so producing such a unit in small production in Germany is pretty expensive, hence this price. The Jobo CPA-2 and CPP-2 are going very strong even when they are old. Much less to break like an ATL. People are always complaining when analogue equipment is not available anymore, well here you have an universal processor and all bottles, drums, spirals etc. are available.
Looking in the past such a processor will work for the next 20-30 years without problems.
Now it is a niche market so producing such a unit in small production in Germany is pretty expensive, hence this price. The Jobo CPA-2 and CPP-2 are going very strong even when they are old. Much less to break like an ATL. People are always complaining when analogue equipment is not available anymore, well here you have an universal processor and all bottles, drums, spirals etc. are available.
Looking in the past such a processor will work for the next 20-30 years without problems.