aad
Not so new now.
OK-I went to my friendly photo shop and got a roll of C41 120 film processed-no prints-while I waited, about 20 minutes.
He's busier than ever. All the big shops have gone from town and he's livin' large. Stopped selling cameras, too.
He's busier than ever. All the big shops have gone from town and he's livin' large. Stopped selling cameras, too.
John Robertson
Well-known
My local photo store manager (a personal friend) said that sales of digital compacts have been "flatline" for the last 6 months, but that his sales of film and single use cameras is up about 15%, he has strangely noticed the biggest increase was in slide film, odd!!
Steve Bellayr
Mentor
My 24 year old engineer son just called me from the beach where he is vacationing. He wanted to know if he could keep the $12 Minolta Weathermatic that I gave to his mother. "What happened to your digital?"
Joe Mondello
Resu Deretsiger
The name of the publication is CONSUMER Reports.
I saw the article today as well. Hey look, if I want a new refrigerator or dishwasher or toaster-oven -- or P&S digicam -- CR is a great resource. But there are limitations to its usefulness.
I saw the article today as well. Hey look, if I want a new refrigerator or dishwasher or toaster-oven -- or P&S digicam -- CR is a great resource. But there are limitations to its usefulness.
Pablito
coco frío
Joe Mondello said:
What I'm saying is that it's USELESS. My experience, echoed by many others, is that you have better luck by picking what to buy randomly. This is a shame because it's a non-profit organization from what I understand: Consumer's Union, and they do not accept advertising. Yet they have failed again and again, with everything from vacuums to automobiles. I remember too back in the 70s they did an article on bicycles- maybe the same one Colyn is talking about - where they recommended Peugeot bikes. Which were fine bikes a the time, but they failed to mention that most bike shops did not carry spare parts because the French bikes back then has a lot of part with unique threading, "French" threading...... Sorry for the rant.....
R
ruben
Guest
lencap said:
Let's raise a simple thought. Had you sold all your film gear seven years ago and bought then digital camera gear and supporting devices, had this been a good investment as seen by today changes?
Even worse, heavily investing today in digital gear ("fine equipment") will be considered a good investment looking back by 2014 ?.
If you run a profitable studio with a big output, then digital gear paying for itself within a year or less will be a good investment. I have such a friend, with high interest in technology, but no interest at all in photography.
For the last fifteen years I have kept a high interest in Photography making my spiritual life richer. But in terms of money I have only lost. I have knew some outstanding minds who manged to hardly survive keeping their interest vibrant, but I happen to know no one keeping both sides high.
Cheers,
Ruben
Tuolumne
Mentor
We don't know what the future holds. People make lots of different kinds of analogies between film and some old technology that either did or did not survive its sucessor. As the old song has it:
Que sera sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera sera
In the mean time, just enjoy what you do as much as you can and keep on doin' it.
/T
Que sera sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera sera
In the mean time, just enjoy what you do as much as you can and keep on doin' it.
/T
S
Stanton
Guest
I think Bryce and some others are correct. CR is aimed at the general consumer. It does not take account of any particular degree of sophiscation in a particular area. Members who participate here are not the general consumer and are far more knowledgeable, sophisticated and particular than the general consumer. Look at the quality of photos over the shoulder of a happy consumer who has just picked up his or her latest at your local drug or grocery store. Dave
venchka
Mentor
Old stuff hangs on
Old stuff hangs on
Trivia Question: Name the movie, singer/actress, leading man & director associated with that song.
I've been pondering the eventual outcome of the new invention renders old stuff obsolete argument. Let's look at a few other "technologies" that a new fangled contraption was going to eliminate.
Automobile vs. bicycle: Bike stores outnumber camera stores. The bicycle has never known as much popularity as today.
Transistor vs. vacuum tubes: Tubes won't die. New tubes are being made today. They work and they sound better. Or so some say.
CD vs vinyl. Same as tubes. Records are still being pressed. Nuff said.
TV vs movies vs radio. All 3 co-exist nicely.
8-track tapes and 8mm movie film are about the only two things that were around when I got my first 35mm camera that aren't with us today. There are more film emulsions around now. There are more lens choices now. There are more camera body choices now. Folks are using large format cameras with a passion. 7x17, 12x20, etc. and making their own paper and contact prints. If somebody does decide to pull the plug on film, I reckon I can stock my fridge with enough film and buy enough chemicals to keep me in B&W photography for the what's left of my life. Probably leave some for the grandkids too.
When Kodak stops making Kodachrome, Life as I know it will be over.
Old stuff hangs on
Tuolumne said:
Trivia Question: Name the movie, singer/actress, leading man & director associated with that song.
I've been pondering the eventual outcome of the new invention renders old stuff obsolete argument. Let's look at a few other "technologies" that a new fangled contraption was going to eliminate.
Automobile vs. bicycle: Bike stores outnumber camera stores. The bicycle has never known as much popularity as today.
Transistor vs. vacuum tubes: Tubes won't die. New tubes are being made today. They work and they sound better. Or so some say.
CD vs vinyl. Same as tubes. Records are still being pressed. Nuff said.
TV vs movies vs radio. All 3 co-exist nicely.
8-track tapes and 8mm movie film are about the only two things that were around when I got my first 35mm camera that aren't with us today. There are more film emulsions around now. There are more lens choices now. There are more camera body choices now. Folks are using large format cameras with a passion. 7x17, 12x20, etc. and making their own paper and contact prints. If somebody does decide to pull the plug on film, I reckon I can stock my fridge with enough film and buy enough chemicals to keep me in B&W photography for the what's left of my life. Probably leave some for the grandkids too.
When Kodak stops making Kodachrome, Life as I know it will be over.
Tuolumne
Mentor
Here's where things get dicey:venchka said:Trivia Question: Name the movie, singer/actress, leading man & director associated with that song.
I've been pondering the eventual outcome of the new invention renders old stuff obsolete argument. Let's look at a few other "technologies" that a new fangled contraption was going to eliminate.
Automobile vs. bicycle: Bike stores outnumber camera stores. The bicycle has never known as much popularity as today.
Transistor vs. vacuum tubes: Tubes won't die. New tubes are being made today. They work and they sound better. Or so some say.
CD vs vinyl. Same as tubes. Records are still being pressed. Nuff said.
TV vs movies vs radio. All 3 co-exist nicely.
8-track tapes and 8mm movie film are about the only two things that were around when I got my first 35mm camera that aren't with us today. There are more film emulsions around now. There are more lens choices now. There are more camera body choices now. Folks are using large format cameras with a passion. 7x17, 12x20, etc. and making their own paper and contact prints. If somebody does decide to pull the plug on film, I reckon I can stock my fridge with enough film and buy enough chemicals to keep me in B&W photography for the what's left of my life. Probably leave some for the grandkids too.
When Kodak stops making Kodachrome, Life as I know it will be over.
How about typewriters vs. word processors/wp software? Ever try buying a typewriter recently? Damn near impossible. We do not know what the right analogy is between digital and film cameras. The digital camera of today is probably at the stage of 8086 PCs in 1980. Care to predict what the digital camera of 2020 will look like and be able to do? I can't. That still doesn't mean film WILL go away. It just means we don't know what it means. In the mean time - keep on shootin'.
/T
R
ruben
Guest
And there is another highly important aspect.
If you happen to hear from consumer reporting magazines or websites, a kind of very undirect whisper appealing to the fear and ignorant side of your self, of the like of "buy more digital, throw out film gear" - you are identifing the real message of the consumer messaiah, acting in the name of His Master Voice.
Every time I hear this message from these sources, I become happier and happier to re-ensure myself there are still there lots of film users like me, not deviating their money for making digital gear obsolete even faster. Thank you Mom for reminding me I am not alone, time and again.
Cheers,
Ruben
If you happen to hear from consumer reporting magazines or websites, a kind of very undirect whisper appealing to the fear and ignorant side of your self, of the like of "buy more digital, throw out film gear" - you are identifing the real message of the consumer messaiah, acting in the name of His Master Voice.
Every time I hear this message from these sources, I become happier and happier to re-ensure myself there are still there lots of film users like me, not deviating their money for making digital gear obsolete even faster. Thank you Mom for reminding me I am not alone, time and again.
Cheers,
Ruben
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Jocko
Off With The Pixies
venchka said:
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956), Doris Day, James Stewart, Alfred Hitchcock. This Is fun
Love IanXXXX
Sparrow
Mentor
it was Alfred Hitchcock who said he "knew Doris Day before she was a virgin"
Trivia Mmmm
Trivia Mmmm
Dfin
Well-known
The current sales of bi-cycles in Australia are about 1.2million, car sales may break the 1million mark this year. As for film v digital ? I think digital will end up dominating and film will be something your eccentic Uncle Ernie or mums Cousin Mildred (and me)would use. Pro photograhers will have to use digital,simply for the cost savings and speed of turn around. But, don`t invest too heavily, because it will be out of date within 6 months. The fast pace of technology change may well be digitals down fall (nobody can afford to keep up). Three things are certain in life Death,Taxes and Change!!!
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
lencap said:
Photography vibrant? High quality labs? Give me just one good film and possibly one good brand of paper and I will be happy. Chemicals can be home-made using the original formulae, and if needed even paper can be home coated. All the rest is just cosmetic...
Colour, sure, is a completely different matter but for that there is...hum...digital? Just kidding...
GLF
BillBingham2
Registered User
CR = LCD Testing & Reports
B2 (;->
B2 (;->
venchka
Mentor
Was it Jocko?
Was it Jocko?
Or was it www.imdb.com?
Either way, good job. One of the earliest movies I remember seeing on the big screen.
Was it Jocko?
Jocko said:The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956), Doris Day, James Stewart, Alfred Hitchcock. This Is fun
Love IanXXXX
Or was it www.imdb.com?
Either way, good job. One of the earliest movies I remember seeing on the big screen.
arbib
Well-known
CR is rating for the "Masses" and their needs. NOT the needs of the minority few, who appreciate the less available, but better suited equipment for "OUR" needs. Who don't follow the masses as sheep to the slaughter.
Not the end of the world....by a long shot
Keep shooting film, and teach your kids Photography through film. It will give them a good foundation in the BASICS, Not that Digital can't. But looking at negatives and making prints from them has no substitute in the Digital world. Plus, when they go over to digital, (and they will), they will have a knowledge base that of a photographer who has shot, developed and made prints with film. This is a valuable knowledge base to have. To stay above the masses.
Not the end of the world....by a long shot
Keep shooting film, and teach your kids Photography through film. It will give them a good foundation in the BASICS, Not that Digital can't. But looking at negatives and making prints from them has no substitute in the Digital world. Plus, when they go over to digital, (and they will), they will have a knowledge base that of a photographer who has shot, developed and made prints with film. This is a valuable knowledge base to have. To stay above the masses.
John Camp
Well-known
I once subscribed to Consumer Reports, but no longer do, because I consider them to be too profoundly wrong too much of the time -- or perhaps I don't fit their profile of a consumer, so their highly rated products don't work for me.
Their most hilarious rating efforts were with early home computers -- they ALWAYS recommended the previous model, because it was cheaper with proven reliabiity, and surely 16 kilobytes of RAM was enough for any sane person for the foreseeable future...They always recommended non-standard software because it was cheaper and worked just as well, and because apparently nobody had informed them about that whole compatability thing...
I recently picked up a copy of their annual Cars issue ('07 cars) in which they have really nice things to say about the Porsche 911: fun to drive, excellent agility, good acceleration, easy to live with, fantastic brakes, ride is relatively supple, good visibility...radio controls are complicated and rear seats are only for children. (Duh.) Can't recommend it though (give it a full black circle) because of reliability issues.
I would suggest to them that the reason the Porsche and the Corvette and other similar cars always have bad reliability is because they are driven somewhat harder than the average Camry; if you send out a standard industry survey sheet that asks, "Did anything fall off?" the answers for a sports car are much more likely to be "yes" than for a Corolla, for reasons that have little to do with production quality.
I have to say over the years that everybody I know who is truly an expert in something, from bikes to cameras to sound systems to TVs and computers, when asked about Consumer Reports, may actually read CR for "other" products but will tell you that the ratings in THEIR specialty are way off base. I'll bet if we found a washing-machine enthusiast he'd tell you the same thing.
JC
Their most hilarious rating efforts were with early home computers -- they ALWAYS recommended the previous model, because it was cheaper with proven reliabiity, and surely 16 kilobytes of RAM was enough for any sane person for the foreseeable future...They always recommended non-standard software because it was cheaper and worked just as well, and because apparently nobody had informed them about that whole compatability thing...
I recently picked up a copy of their annual Cars issue ('07 cars) in which they have really nice things to say about the Porsche 911: fun to drive, excellent agility, good acceleration, easy to live with, fantastic brakes, ride is relatively supple, good visibility...radio controls are complicated and rear seats are only for children. (Duh.) Can't recommend it though (give it a full black circle) because of reliability issues.
I would suggest to them that the reason the Porsche and the Corvette and other similar cars always have bad reliability is because they are driven somewhat harder than the average Camry; if you send out a standard industry survey sheet that asks, "Did anything fall off?" the answers for a sports car are much more likely to be "yes" than for a Corolla, for reasons that have little to do with production quality.
I have to say over the years that everybody I know who is truly an expert in something, from bikes to cameras to sound systems to TVs and computers, when asked about Consumer Reports, may actually read CR for "other" products but will tell you that the ratings in THEIR specialty are way off base. I'll bet if we found a washing-machine enthusiast he'd tell you the same thing.
JC
mike goldberg
The Peaceful Pacific
I'm delighted that lenscap posted this Thread. And, guess what? I'm a relatively new
Nikon D40 owner, and the D40+18-55 did very, very well according to the June CR.
Recently, I sold a Bessa T, Fed-2b and two EOS adapters. No, I am not divesting of my favorite and much loved R/F gear such as the M2, Bessa R, Fed-2c and Oly 35 RC.
Note my post of a few hours ago in Russian R/F:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42875
From the time I made the test shots with a Fed-2c & I-26m... to the time I developed the film... to picking up the scans, around 10 days passed. And, here's one of the first shots made with the D40 on April 28th at 1/30 sec.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikegoldberg/475423112/
Much has been written in RFF in recent months about the lure of the "digi siren," siren being a figure from mythology. I wonder, truly, how many of us are asking, is film photography really worth it? And, I shall continue to shoot film, though the ratio of
digital to film work has changed.
Cheers, mike
Nikon D40 owner, and the D40+18-55 did very, very well according to the June CR.
Recently, I sold a Bessa T, Fed-2b and two EOS adapters. No, I am not divesting of my favorite and much loved R/F gear such as the M2, Bessa R, Fed-2c and Oly 35 RC.
Note my post of a few hours ago in Russian R/F:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42875
From the time I made the test shots with a Fed-2c & I-26m... to the time I developed the film... to picking up the scans, around 10 days passed. And, here's one of the first shots made with the D40 on April 28th at 1/30 sec.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikegoldberg/475423112/
Much has been written in RFF in recent months about the lure of the "digi siren," siren being a figure from mythology. I wonder, truly, how many of us are asking, is film photography really worth it? And, I shall continue to shoot film, though the ratio of
digital to film work has changed.
Cheers, mike