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New Leica Lens 25% Tariff for USA?

USA Leica photogs may see a 25% increase on new Leica Lens prices thanks to US Tariffs on EU products over a WTO verdict against EU airplane manufacturer Airbus.

How soon Leica lens prices will be increased, how increases will be implemented, and how long the USA tariffs will be in effect are all unclear.

https://leicarumors.com/2019/10/07/t...n-the-us.aspx/

MANY EU items are getting the 25% tariffs, including sadly Scottish Whiskey and French wines!

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it will be interesting how Leica adapts to to the tariff -

OK, a 25% higher markup at customs based upon factory cost

How much if any will Leica absorb to make the pain easier to customers?

That 25% increased wholesale cost won't likely mean a 25% retail increase, but it will likely mean an increase.

 




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Calzone
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I was wondering when the European Trade War would kick in.

I just a few weeks ago I bought an APO 35 Cron-L. A 25% tarriff would add about $1150.00 to the price.

With this possibility of a huge price increase this might inflate used prices is my guess.

Cal
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shimokita
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Scotch whisky distributors face US tariffs after today

Whisky that arrives after today will be subject to a 25% tariff, imposed in retaliation by the US after the World Trade Organization found Boeing and Airbus had received billions of dollars in illegal subsidies over the past 15 years.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...cWt?li=BBnbfcL
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benlees
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Only the single malts are effected. Blended scotch have no tariffs, according to the link.
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MJ Buckpitt
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The WTO sanction the EU for unfair subsidies that damage the US aviation industry but the consumers in the US pick up the tab?
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raid
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Is this a sign
from above to buy Japanese cameras and lenses?
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shimokita
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Only the single malts are effected. Blended scotch have no tariffs, according to the link.
and no tariff in Canada? ; )
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Huss
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This is excellent news! Now I can ask 25% more if I sell my lenses!

How does this work with Zeiss lenses that are made by Cosina? Or Voigtlander? Are they German or Japanese? They are made in Japan.
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raid
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I was thinking of buying a Leica M10 in the near future, but I will not pay an extra 25%.
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Ko.Fe.
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And M10 will be priced very logically. Ten grands camera without IS and dust shake.
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shimokita
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How does this work with Zeiss lenses that are made by Cosina? Or Voigtlander? Are they German or Japanese? They are made in Japan.
My experience living in Tokyo, Japan... when ordering Lee Seven5 filters from B&H in NY the tax was based on UK rates because that's where the item was made even though it was shipped from the USA.

How does that work ; )
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raid
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Would buying from Canada be less costly?
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Beemermark
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Is this a sign
from above to buy Japanese cameras and lenses?

Buy Kodak! Oh wait...


Actually if you can afford new Leica equipment a 25% increase shouldn't be a problem.
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David Murphy
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The WTO sanction the EU for unfair subsidies that damage the US aviation industry but the consumers in the US pick up the tab?
The real craziness of this is, if I understand it correctly, is that both sides have been found to subsidize their aerospace monopolies. From what I have read over the years this is pretty obvious too. The result is now that both sides will levy tariffs on many consumer goods, in general denial of reality, with the population at large paying the price (a lot like a "real war").
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Is this a sign
from above to buy Japanese cameras and lenses?
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Would buying from Canada be less costly?
Well, for Japanese lenses that are made in China, it might well be cheaper to buy in Canada (even with the added PST/GST):
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/trad...ess-in-canada/

More on topic, I believe that German-made Zeiss lenses would also be subject to the 25% tariff. Or any other German-made lens, I suppose.
https://petapixel.com/2019/10/17/ger...-after-friday/

Now the question is whether those Meyer Optik Görlitz lenses are German-made.
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We might see an increase in overseas travel by Americans who want to buy European goods. Although, will this tariff be levied on individual travelers as well?


I'm in Australia, but I'm concerned that some genius might decide that Australian prices need to increase as well. Gotta get a Zeiss 35mm Distagon sooner rather than later.
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Rayt
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What a fortuitous turn for the UK! After Brexit we will have access to a myriad of low tariff high quality British made tech products.
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Paul T.
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What a fortuitous turn for the UK! After Brexit we will have access to a myriad of low tariff high quality British made tech products.

Absolutely. Tariffs are good for everyone.

Look how well Autarky worked in the 1930s!

(and, to make it more totalitarian, they penalise the people like decent whisky but not the the churned-out muck!)
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I was thinking of buying a Leica M10 in the near future, but I will not pay an extra 25%.
Raid, come to Europe, stay a couple of days in Wetzlar...
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Only the single malts are effected. Blended scotch have no tariffs, according to the link.
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(and, to make it more totalitarian, they penalise the people like decent whisky but not the the churned-out muck!)
Hey, wait a minute, I like single malt! This is bad! Somebody do something!
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The WTO sanction the EU for unfair subsidies that damage the US aviation industry but the consumers in the US pick up the tab?
How else do you propose pressuring the EU to mend its corporatist ways? They’ve had a pass on everything since VE Day.

Ever see how large Airbus is assembled? Instead of a single large plant, massive sections and components are transported by plane, train, barge and truck from all across Western Europe to Toulouse for final assembly. Very “green”. And heavily subsidized.
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Ugh. “VE Day”. “Very green”. It’s a massive aeroplane running on kerosene, wut.

Less consumerism, more film/creativity/fun/kindness.
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Ugh. “VE Day”. “Very green”. It’s a massive aeroplane running on kerosene, wut.

Less consumerism, more film/creativity/fun/kindness.
Montag, “Consumerism” is what brought you the wondrous devices and media we spend endless hours jabbering about here, not to mention the one you’re typing on to post your thoughts. Should not be used as a pejorative. Good neighborliness & respect for other like-minded nations begets “kindness”.
“Creativity” can only be nurtured where there’s regard for intellectual property and an unspoken expectation of proper reward for one’s efforts. All things corporatism, autocratism, socialism, marxism and crony capitalism are diametrically set against.
“Fun” can only be had when one in unencumbered by the fears of losing one’s natural rights at the whims of others.

Just sayin’....
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Meh, no difference to me. Priced over my demographic or, way over my demographic, all the same.
Will cause used prices to rise though.
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I'm in Australia, but I'm concerned that some genius might decide that Australian prices need to increase as well. Gotta get a Zeiss 35mm Distagon sooner rather than later.
The Zeiss Distagon ZF or ZF.2 for Nikon F mount? Are they made in Germany, or in Japan (Cosina) like the Zeiss ZM mount? If in Japan, I'm thinking they may not be affected.
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I was thinking of buying a Leica M10 in the near future, but I will not pay an extra 25%.
+1. Lately I've been thinking of selling a few items to pick up a used M10. But not if the price goes up!
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The Zeiss Distagon ZF or ZF.2 for Nikon F mount? Are they made in Germany, or in Japan (Cosina) like the Zeiss ZM mount? If in Japan, I'm thinking they may not be affected.
The only Zeiss lens that continued to be manufactured in Germany was the non-RF coupled ZM 2,8/15, which I believe is now out of production.

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+1. Lately I've been thinking of selling a few items to pick up a used M10. But not if the price goes up!
Pristine, used M10's all around and for good prices ever since the 10-MP knocked it off the Queen Bee pedestal. Go for it!
....if not only for a rebound in prices once the new stock becomes financially unobtanium.
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“Consumerism” is what brought you the wondrous devices and media we spend endless hours jabbering about here, not to mention the one you’re typing on to post your thoughts. Should not be used as a pejorative. Good neighborliness & respect for other like-minded nations begets “kindness”.
“Creativity” can only be nurtured where there’s regard for intellectual property and an unspoken expectation of proper reward for one’s efforts. All things corporatism, autocratism, socialism, marxism and crony capitalism are diametrically set against.
“Fun” can only be had when one in unencumbered by the fears of losing one’s natural rights at the whims of others.

Just sayin’....
Actually, a lot of consumer items were developed by publicly funded universities. Internet, touch screens, for example.

Creativity, happily, is just part of being human. No need for any kind of market for it to flourish.
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I was thinking of buying a Leica M10 in the near future, but I will not pay an extra 25%.
The retail price will not go up 25% because Leica will lower the wholesale cost to offset some of the increase. In the 1980s the Mark soared against the US Dollar but the price of a Mercedes in the U.S. barely budged. MB was able to just eat a lot of the cost increase because their markup was so high to begin with.

This is how it works out when you've given away your country's production to other countries; America's biggest export product is now our consumption. That's valuable and the idea is to make other countries pay a higher price for that product, just like the price going up for any desirable product. Market demand. Companies can eat some or all of that increase or pass some or all of it on to their customers. Customers do have a say in this you know.

The issue here is talking Leica when the real problem was thousands of, for example, well-paying textile jobs in North Carolina, being sent to horrific sweatshops in China (then Malaysia, then Cambodia, then Viet Nam, always chasing lower costs), because Joe Blow wants to save $3.00 on a pair of $50.00 trousers. Other countries do this too and you'd admit it if you were being honest with yourself, but the US is big and "wealthy" so it's more visible with us. Things like German cameras made in Portugal, and whisky made in Scotland are marquee items so they make for good headlines in less than objective news rags.

It's what you get with Keynesian economics and it's sad that so many people in lots of countries just don't understand things unless they're really simple concepts. People could boycott those products but consumers everywhere are so spoiled they just can't say no. Brats. The higher prices are also a reflection of your ever more worthless currencies. Dollars, Euros, Francs. It doesn't matter which anymore. Every government wants their currency to be the cheapest because it helps their exports. Think about the logic of that...

"...and all the children are above average."
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Ever see how large Airbus is assembled? Instead of a single large plant, massive sections and components are transported by plane, train, barge and truck from all across Western Europe to Toulouse for final assembly. Very “green”. And heavily subsidized.
Actually, I have seen it (on PBS) and it was fascinating to watch the logistics of trucking an enormous section through little towns. Quite the performance, sometimes with literally only inches to spare!
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raid
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If you buy a Leica new in Germany and then return to the USA, will there be next a customs checking to pay the 25% tariff? Just a curious question ....
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Dralowid
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We used to hang newly bought duty free binoculars around our necks in full view when passing through customs...never failed.
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Actually, I have seen it (on PBS) and it was fascinating to watch the logistics of trucking an enormous section through little towns. Quite the performance, sometimes with literally only inches to spare!
Indeed.

Though quite the costly and ridiculous logistical performance that doubles the cost and necessitates subsidies to keep unions quiet, and people employed.

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Actually, a lot of consumer items were developed by publicly funded universities. Internet, touch screens, for example.
..and underwritten with monies generated by free-market economies.

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Creativity, happily, is just part of being human. No need for any kind of market for it to flourish.
The market provides a platform for recognition and demand. Nothing survives or endures in a vacuum.
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raid
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Airbus planes will get built in Mobile (AL), and Pensacola may get some parts to make too.
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raid
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I just heard that the 25% tariff started yesterday.

This was also shown in what Stephen posted. October 18, 2019.
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CameraQuest
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The only Zeiss lens that continued to be manufactured in Germany was the non-RF coupled ZM 2,8/15, which I believe is now out of production.
could be wrong, but I think the tariff only applies to EU made lenses, not interchangeable lens cameras like the M10 - but maybe the Q series?

Aren't the Zeiss Cine lenses made in Germany?

Stephen
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raid
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I am asking an Ex Leica executive about it. maybe he has the answers.

eidted: He thinks it is Lenses and Cameras. I asked him specifically about the M10.
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raid
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Not a problem; I just buy a very clean, used M10 from the US.
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I am asking an Ex Leica executive about it. maybe he has the answers.

eidted: He thinks it is Lenses and Cameras. I asked him specifically about the M10.
I asked someone in Leica.
Included in the tariff are fixed lens cameras,
but NOT interchangeable lens cameras.

Stephen
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raid
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You have the definitive answer, Stephen! Now I have to decide between getting a new Leica M10 or a used one. Both options are open!
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