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New Rff Software - Help Us Test RangeFinderForum.net

RFF in its present form has evolved since 2003. We have added to and customized just about everything.

But there are limits. You can only do so much with the original software and its updates.

RFF will be moving to a new software offering many more features, but it needs to mature over time. Right now, its very much a work in progress.

Please go to RangeFinderForum.net -
log in with your ID and password
play around with the new software

and give us your feedback in this thread.

WE KNOW many things need to be done, but they will get done faster with lots of feedback.

DONT POST anything to the new site that you don't mind losing,
BECAUSE eventually all the posts at .net will be replaced with the posts at .com.

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP AND PATIENCE TO BUILT A BETTER RFF!

Stephen

 




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johnf04
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Chosing the portal tab, and selecting one of the topics on the first page gives this error

Sorry, there is a problem
There are no posts to show
Error code: 2F173/L

At the top of the error page, under "Rangefinderforum Portal", it is then possible to open the "Forums" tab.

John
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peterm1
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If you are looking for feedback one thing I would immediately ask is that you do not lose the key features of the current search function. For example I use the advanced search by my own RFF name to be able to find threads I have participated in or started. its really important I would suggest to have powerful and user friendly search tools.
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jazzwave
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Chosing the portal tab, and selecting one of the topics on the first page gives this error

Sorry, there is a problem
There are no posts to show
Error code: 2F173/L

At the top of the error page, under "Rangefinderforum Portal", it is then possible to open the "Forums" tab.

John
I got same error and cannot login with my ID and password

regards
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Keith
On leave from Gallifrey
Looks good.
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mod2001
Old school modernist
Like It too

Jürgen
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shimokita
白黒
any support docu or FAQ... just general questions.... will there be forums and how do I post?
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RichC
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Definitely the way to go - looking good and way better on mobile devices!
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kuuan
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under portal:
out of the 5 threads, No 1,2 and 5 lead to the message:
Sorry, there is a problem
There are no posts to show
Error code: 2F173/L
Thread No 3 and 4 open normally


other tabs look working nomally too.

the only other thing I found under "Browse > Forums" was that any quotes, in the individual posts, do not appear as quotes usually do ( highlighted by different color and intent ) but one can se the htlm [quote name=membername]...[/quote]
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jarski
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nice if this can be made, been watching old RFF software crumble under our feet, server outages etc.

data migration must be a big puzzle to do. and the SEO concerns, Google index pointing wrong direction? and, the user reaction, some will always be unpleased and declare new site crap, no matter how much work it took to make it.
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kiemchacsu
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I cannot login, it said below,even I checked carefully the info:

"The Display Name or Email Address you entered does not belong to any account. Make sure that it is typed correctly."
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dmr
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Logged in fine.

One strong suggestion I might make, and I really did not play around much, is to keep (port, whatever) all or as much of the current content and forum structure as is possible, as there's a treasure trove of information here!
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Peter Jennings
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Logged in no problem. When I visit RFF, I always hit the New Posts tab first to check on new activity. It’d be great not to lose easy access to that feature.
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Spanik
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Login went fine.

There seems to be an issue with image tags. I went to the "Share your 4x5" photos" thread and not a single photo appeared, all BB code. Running Vivaldi 1.11.917.39 (Stable channel) (32-bit) JavaScript V8 6.0.286.52 on W7 64-bit.

Not so sure about the new layout. Spend some time looking what sub-forum I needed. And going to another sub-forum means you have to go back all the way to the top and then down again. I prefer the layout with all the categories on the left hand side.
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shimokita
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any support docu or FAQ... just general questions.... will there be forums and how do I post?
Okay it took a few minutes but I figured out some of the features... Using Win7 with IE - I know, I know, I know... but some things change slowly...

I really like that RFF are hosting photos! Big improvement... having to upload to a hosting site and adding the link to the thread was so yesterday ; )

Looking forward to a stable version.... thanks again!
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Rob-F
Not a Leica Collector
I will take a look, but from my viewpoint RFF is just about perfect, with nothing to complain about. But I do have a question:

Why is it that there was a time when I could click on one of the random pictures near the top; then I could click the back button and the original set of pictures would still be there; and I could click on a different picture to see that one; hit the back button; all original pictures still there; and so on. And then there came a time when, after I hit the back button, all four original pictures were gone, with no opportunity to look at a second or third one; then the earlier setup was restored and I could see all four again if I wanted; and now it as changed again and I have to settle for only one picture.

What's up with that?

I use an iMac and a Macbook. It happens the same way on both.
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Rob-F
Not a Leica Collector
I just looked. Nope. I much prefer the way it is now. Please don't mess it up!

I haven't been able to return to photo.net since they screwed it up. I hope that doesn't happen here.
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Larry Cloetta
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Create button at the top which goes directly to topic/gallery/ads is a nice touch.

Gallery itself seems a big improvement.

Not sure why we need a calendar, but maybe just me.

Layout of the directory of forums is a big improvement.

I would second the suggestion that access to "most recent posts" (entire site) should be front and center, with easy access, prominently displayed. When Photo.net made their transition, the process to access a complete list of most recent posts, went from default and instantaneous to several button pushes, which was a retrograde step.

PLEASE, make it easier and obvious to post feedback for sellers and buyers in the classifieds. This might be the most convoluted aspect of the current site (outside of posting photos, but new layout has addressed that, it seems). Either make it possible to post feedback by just clicking on a member's name anywhere on the site, or, if there are concerns about people just posting illegitimate feedback to members (which is a reasonable concern), set up feedback in the same way it is handled on Fred Miranda, which is both easy and automatically limited to actual nuyers and sellers of a specific item. (Only members who have posted a comment in an ad thread will ever see a button for feedback at the heading of the ad itself, and that won't show up until the item is marked as sold. Just a suggestion.)

Having The Angry Photographer still listed as a mentor, maybe that can go away. Like having for a mentor, I don't know, Satan? Maybe I am just not angry enough.

Messages needs some work in the new site. Layout seems unhelpful. Going to messages, I see all my messages, but laid out in a way I have no idea who they are from. When I search messages, that needs to be obvious, the way it is on the current site. When I am looking for a specific old message, I look for a message FROM a specific member. Should be obvious, and all laid out like current existing format, not hidden behind another button push.

The improvement in maximum file size possible for uploading a profile photo is very welcome. The current miniscule limit is the reason I could never upload my preferred photo, no matter how lossy I made the jpg. Thanks!

It's pretty slow moving between items in the menu bar, but I assume that's because this is a beta.

Personally, all things considered, it seems a big improvement. I'd imagine some will adopt an "over my dead body" attitude, but that's to be expected in a forum with a high percentage of old people like myself, who prefer really old cameras, and old things in general, because face it, things were actually made better 50 years ago. But not web sites.

Thanks for all the obvious work someone has put into this. Really.
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JChrome
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Personally, all things considered, it seems a big improvement. I'd imagine some will adopt an "over my dead body" attitude, but that's to be expected in a forum with a high percentage of old people like myself, who prefer really old cameras, and old things in general, because face it, things were actually made better 50 years ago. But not web sites.


Great quote.

And great work. Question: will it work with Tapatalk? If the mobile UX is much better then I’d abandon the app. I think they probably take a cut on the ad revenue.
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johnwolf
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Looks good. But I sure don't like the way forum groups are presented as paragraphs rather than as lists. For long-time users who know when they are after, it's fine. But for new visitors, that's an unclear way to present content.

John
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mconnealy
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Hope there will be continued access to the Classic Cameras Repair Archive.
Although there is no opportunity to post or search within the archive, Google can be easily used to search the archive. I have a little form widget on my blog which makes the search easy using the proper html syntax:
https://connealy.blogspot.com/#ccrf

You would be welcome to use the widget on the new rff if that would be helpful.
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TEZillman
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There are two things that I really like about Rff now that do not seem to be on the new site. First, there doesn't appear to be the option to read posts in chronological order as they are posted. Second, I really like the option to have the "VPB Graphite Xpand - White font" colors. Especially when reading at night. I also noticed that no photos are appearing. I've tried viewing the site on both an IPad and on a MacBrook Pro.
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Timmyjoe
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Sorry, not a fan. Looks like every other photography/videography website out there. I like the unique look of rangefinderforum.com. The dark background, white type. The way it's laid out. The way the images pop against the dark background.

The new test site looks like "everything else on the web".

Look at sites like:

https://www.l-camera-forum.com

http://www.cinematography.com

They're a dime-a-dozen. I'd like to keep this site unique.

My 2¢ worth.

Best,
-Tim
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JB-Dancer
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I also just looked at the new setup.
I DO NOT like it.
I much prefer the way it is now.
Please leave it as it is.
Why?
Because it's present forum style is the best on the web.
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rhl-oregon
jolly good dog Robert
I just did a little sandboxing in the Gallery: uploaded an image directly from my iPad, added copyright and search tags, etc.

Here’s the link (let’s see if it auto-links without extra markup required): http://www.rangefinderforum.net/inde...oice-and-will/

Uploading was no problem, no reminder that images need to be compressed/resized, I could have instead shot/uploaded an image from the iPad or iPhone (scary! Will rffers slouch lazily to the dark side of iPhonea?). Greater ease and flexibility, too, for cross-posting to other sites (I linked the image to my Facebook page, where it will of course backlink to Rangefinder Forum Net).

As Tim says, its look is more generic. Some of us will be nostalgic for the Hexcite Xpando Cellular Whatchmacallit look, etc., but if the user interface is easier across all devices, great— other members will rejoice at the flexibilty.
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css9450
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Sorry, not a fan. Looks like every other photography/videography website out there. I like the unique look of rangefinderforum.com. The dark background, white type. The way it's laid out. The way the images pop against the dark background.

The new test site looks like "everything else on the web".
That's to make it useable on mobile devices. I don't use mobile devices, so I am very satisfied with the forum's current appearance. Unfortunately, this new trend towards making sites work on mobile devices always makes them look stark and minimalistic on a regular monitor, this being no exception.
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splitimageview
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Having moved a forum from one software to another a couple of years ago, you're going to get about 45% of regular visitors who will applaud the modernization, and 45% that will vehemently hate the changes. The rest won't care.

Best of luck!
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jarski
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I much prefer the way it is now.
Please leave it as it is.
changing new software to look like old might not be technically possible, or feasible work wise. and staying in the old software problems are growing, not lessen.
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Timmyjoe
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Maybe leave www.rangefinderforum.com as it is and make www.rangefinderforum.net a mirror site that works on mobile devices.

Just a thought.

Best,
-Tim
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ptpdprinter
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Please have "New Posts" and "Mark Forums Read" buttons. They are the two buttons I use the most.
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benlees
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On the forums menu the most recent posts have the word 'guest' before each members name. Small thing.
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Rob-F
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There are two things that I really like about Rff now that do not seem to be on the new site. First, there doesn't appear to be the option to read posts in chronological order as they are posted. Second, I really like the option to have the "VPB Graphite Xpand - White font" colors. Especially when reading at night. I also noticed that no photos are appearing. I've tried viewing the site on both an IPad and on a MacBrook Pro.
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Sorry, not a fan. Looks like every other photography/videography website out there. I like the unique look of rangefinderforum.com. The dark background, white type. The way it's laid out. The way the images pop against the dark background.

The new test site looks like "everything else on the web".

Look at sites like:

https://www.l-camera-forum.com

http://www.cinematography.com

They're a dime-a-dozen. I'd like to keep this site unique.

My 2¢ worth.

Best,
-Tim
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I also just looked at the new setup.
I DO NOT like it.
I much prefer the way it is now.
Please leave it as it is.
Why?
Because it's present forum style is the best on the web.
I totally agree with all these comments. Sure, maybe incorporate the gallery improvements and a couple of the other suggestions; but I'd like it to stay fundamentally the way it is.
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madNbad
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A "New Post" button or the ability to expand recent post. After LUF moved to the current layout, there are only a couple of specific places I look for new post. One of the best features of RFF is the variety of post on the home page, leading to reading and learning more about the subject.
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p.giannakis
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If you are looking for feedback one thing I would immediately ask is that you do not lose the key features of the current search function. For example I use the advanced search by my own RFF name to be able to find threads I have participated in or started. its really important I would suggest to have powerful and user friendly search tools.
That is something that is bothering me too. It would be great if somehow there is a tab which could save custom searches.
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sepiareverb
genius and moron
Yes, a new posts button is a necessity, I rarely use any other means of browsing.

Few linked images seem to be working on this iPad via Safari.
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Dwig
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The behavior of the "Browse" tab is really annoying.

the submenu appears when you roll-over the Browse tab, but when you click on it the submenu disappears and focus returns to the RFFPortal tab.

Accessing the submenu is a pain and virtually impossible for some of us. You have to carefully move the mouse pointer down to the submenu and then left or right to the item you wish to select. The slightest error in your movement will cause the menu to vanish should you move off of the submenu.

The tab should latch on when clicked so that the submenu can be accessed without undo precision in your mousing. That behavior will also make access reasonable from a touch based display.
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Darthfeeble
But you can call me Steve
It's hard to tell now with the posts being roughed in it looks. One thing for sure I would like is the dark background and white font. Keep us posted on the updates.
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Mackinaw
Think Different
Haven't had the chance to read all of the comments, but the addition of a "like" button would be nice. At times people write stuff that I agree with. It'd be nice to give them a thumbs up.

Jim B.
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rbiemer
Unabashed Amateur
The basic functionality seems fine to me. I do quite like the .com's ability to change background colors when I'm on my computer. The current site is a bit of a pain on a phone. If the .net site makes reading on my phone easier, that's a good thing, I think.
The "activity" tab looks like it could be pretty useful--especially since, it seems, I could customize to suit me fairly easily.
And, I uploaded a photo to the gallery there. That was very simple and straight forward. That's excellent.
Some of the things I clicked on didn't lead anywhere, I'm guessing that's down to this being a test version so not too bothered by it.
If the new software makes RFf more stable, I'm all for it!
If possible, the ability to choose a dark background and white/light text would be the one thing I would like to have.

Rob
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lynnb
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Under Browse -> Forums, it would be good to have an "expand all" button to avoid going down and up levels to find a topic, and to get a global view of all sub-forum topics.

I'd prefer to see a larger list of recent topics on the home page. Five is not enough. The current home page is much better in this regard.

I can understand the desire to upgrade RFF software to cater for people browsing and using the site on small screen mobile devices, but in doing so the changes make it more user-unfriendly to people using larger screens and desktop devices. I'd appreciate any design measures you can take to reduce the amount of menu-diving. Maybe two buttons on the home page:
"mobile device view", and
"desktop device view"
which allow visitors to select which interface to interact with (like Tim suggests above).
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