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Posts: 10
Registered: August 2009
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

   Original Black Paint Leica II/III conversion, Leitz Elmar 5cm collapsible, brassy!
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1 1607 Thu December 14, 2017
Asking Price Shipping Amount Condition
On Hold ($525.00) None Fair
Description:

Here concludes my brief obsession with black paint Leicas. Like a few other items I have sold on these forums the main reason I am selling this camera and lens combination is because it is so aesthetically attractive that it is difficult to use it discretely for picture making in many situations in which I find myself. Furthermore, unlike many of the items I had previously sold that garnered intrigue and flirtation from many young and flirtatious aspiring photographers I believe that roughly half of the "flirtations" I have addressed have been from lonely, wealthy men. Admittedly, both result in "sexy" conversations but it does mean I chat excessively and shoot less and that's a serious problem when I am trying to make my living as a photographer.

I purchased this camera from another RFF member who happens to direct the Vermont Centre for Photography. I don't know much about his time with this camera or with whom may have owned it previously. It was sold to me advertised as shutter speeds below 1/20s being sticky and, likely unnoticed by the previous owner, it had pinhole in the shutter. I have since patched this tiny hole and I have done a very quick CLA which has gotten shutter speeds to sound and appear correct down to and including 1/2 of a second. the 1s time still appears to stick. Included in this listing are two photographs taken after I had patched the shutter.

This camera and lens combination fit into a Bosca Partners briefcase in any compartment and that is no small feat as the only autofocus digital interchangeable lens camera and lens combination I was able to fit into the bottom of this case was a Panasonic GX850 and 14/2.5 Micro Four Thirds camera and lens combination. This leads me to believe that the digital camera I may end up packing in this case may have to include a collapsible lens like the 50/3.5 Elmar possibly adapted to something like a Sony NEX-6 or A6000 series body and then I am dealing with a relatively narrow field of view. The Ricoh GR II and the Fuji X70 would also fit into this case but I feel that the 28mm equivalent field of view is too wide for what I would usually shoot. Anyhow, please contact me if you would like to see more photographs of or from this camera and lens combination or if you have insight into my "struggle" for a camera system to fit into my briefacase. Also feel free to contact me if you are in the Edmonton area and would like to stop by for a cappuccino or latte that I will personally construct for you in my studio! Images of equipment pictured but photographed with the Elmar adapted to a digital camera.

Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Postal Code: T5M 0H1
Shipping Method: Canada Post/FedEx
Shipping Cost: Approximately $20 within Canada, $35 in the US, more abroad.
Sales Tax: GST if shipping within Canada
Keywords: Leica, Leica III, Screw Mount, collapsible, 50mm, Elmar, Leitz, Black Paint, Brass

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B-9
Devin Bro


Registered: July 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1604
Comment Date: Thu December 14, 2017
CAD or USD?

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Klyment
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Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Comment Date: Thu December 14, 2017

US dollars!


 


And interesting; RFF's ad creation system asks for currency, which I specified, and there is no specification in the ad itself for currency.



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Registered: September 2007
Location: London
Posts: 16
Comment Date: Fri December 15, 2017

Hi, the wear patterns and brassing on the upper and lower rims look very even and quite unusual in my experience, have they been artificially enhanced?


You've described the cosmetic condition and the shutter but with ageing Leica screwmount cameras I think the crucial element is the rangefinder/viewfinder where the beam-splitter might need re-silvering, which can be an expensive proposition.  Can you describe the condition of the rangefinder/viewfinder please?


Pete.



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Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Comment Date: Fri December 15, 2017

Hello, Pete!

I thought the brass show-through around the upper and lower rims seemed unusual to me as well. I did nothing to alter the cosmetics of this camera since I received it with the exception of cleaning the viewfinder and rangefinder glass and around some of the corners with cotton swabs. I have just sent a message to the previous owner to see if he has any comment on the possibility of artificial enhancement of the brassing. Upon close inspection, I think that the tarnish on the brass seems very normal but I am not sure how to account for how the upper and lower rims have seemed to have brassed in this way.

When I had received the camera, the viewfinder and rangefinder were both very usable. However, I have since cleaned the glass and contrast in both the viewfinder and rangefinder have improved significantly. I have a 10+ year younger IIIf that has a slightly higher contrast rangefinder but I both feel like they require similar amounts of effort to focus. So definitely not as easy to focus and compose as with a modern M finder but certainly not difficult. Focusing seems accurate and I don't notice any issues with vertical alignment.

I just found "Richard's" Tunnel13 guide to replacing the beam splitter mirror and I'm now tempted to remove the top plate of this camera. I'll do some more reading before I commit to disassembly. I found disassembly and reassembly involving the body casing and the lens mount to clean, lubricate, and adjust the slow speed escapement was pretty simple and I'm curious to see if removing the top plate to clean up or replace finder optics could be as easy.



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Registered: July 2009
Location: Michigan
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Comment Date: Fri December 15, 2017

Beam Splitters are easy! 


There is a eBay seller who has new ones.


 



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Comment Date: Fri December 15, 2017
Never seen such an Elmar front before, with the brass ring protruding from the chrome lens front...?

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Comment Date: Fri December 15, 2017

B-9: I was just looking at a Japan-based listing for a blue-mirrored beam splitter! I actually bought my IIIf in "as-is" condition in hopes it would need more repair including mirror replacement, complete CLA, and possibly shutter replacement but it was in better condition than expected. Furthermore, the shutter of the IIIf (not listing in this ad) has lots of holes in it and the effect it has on images has eliminated my desire to replace the shutter. 



 



 



 




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Comment Date: Fri December 15, 2017

johannielscom: Interesting! I just searched for photos and through eBay listings and I spotted several 5cm 3.5 Elmar variations but nothing quite like this one. I'm wondering if a previous user had screwed a short threaded brass tube into the front of the lens barrel. I'm not sure what would be the purpose though.



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Comment Date: Fri December 15, 2017

Upon closer inspection, I believe that the nickel-coated knurled ring around the front element is threaded internally and is threaded onto the smaller-diameter brass ring which is exposed. So it seems like this nickel ring has "slid down" the lens barrel a bit. I tried twisting it to see if I could change its position along this threaded area and I was unable to do so. However, I also have not applied a lot of force. I'll see if I can find a local classic camera dealer or LTM enthusiast to have a look at it. Anyhow, this outside ring displacement does not appear to affect operation. Perhaps it could allow an accessory filter to be installed if one could find ring with the correct diameter to extend the thread and possibly expand the diameter to a common filter size. But then the user would not be able to change the aperture.



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Comment Date: Sat December 16, 2017

I wonder if II to IIIc is the most accurate description.  The II and the IIIc were built on a different chassis.  And I don't see the diopter lever concentric with the rewind knob.  Might II to III be more accurate?  Or, if it has a 1/1000 speed, then II to IIIa?



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Comment Date: Tue December 19, 2017

Rob-F,


Thanks for your response; it prompted me to read up on the differences. There is no 1/1000s shutter speed. Just 1/500s. I have adjusted the title of this ad accordingly!



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Comment Date: Sat January 6, 2018

Hello, all! I've taken the discussion and corrections in response to this RFF listing and my local classifieds listings and have created an eBay auction with a starting bid of just $99. The auction will be live here shortly.



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