Dating Contax IIa/IIIa bodies???

The lens is not fixed, but a removable bayonet mount. Lens is removed from the helical by pressing down the small lever on the lens mount, and turning the lens clockwise. The Zeiss-Opton lens is considered by many Contax fans as the best of the three variaties of the post-WW2 50mm lenses. The lens movement should not be rough. The sound that you hear is probably the focus wheel (located just above rangerfinder window) spinning as the lens is rotated; a little squeaking may occur too, depending on how dried out the grease on the helical is. If otherwise in good shape, value as judged from eBay sales is in the range of $250-400. Fungus would of course reduce the value.
 
Contax RF

Contax RF

Dex and XA:

Thanks for your advice; very helpful. I got a few more pictures of the top and back (below), but no S/N to be found. Dex, I did get the lens off, with your instructions, and note the inner glass is clean, and blades look good too. Shutter has a slight wrinkle, but otherwise okay.

If not for the fungus in the lens, I'd jump on this. But with unknown repair costs to clean the fungus, I may pass on this, unless it's a bargain. Any idea of the cost to remove the fungus? Also, with an adapter, would this fit onto my Leica M3? (Glass looks very nice, except for the spots inside).

Tim

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I could not make out the serial number of the camera in your picture, but the number 30056 as noted in your post should be proceeded by a letter. Can't tell what the letter in your picture is, but looks kinda like an "I" which doe not track with info from Kuc's book concerning serial numbers. According to Kuc's book, the serial number 30056 is in the range of "Q" series IIa cameras produced in 1956-1957. Perhaps the camera that you have is a mis-engraving. Also, the phillips-head screws on the accessory shoe are probably replacements, the original scews had regular slotted heads.

Cleaning the fungus would require a CLA, normally about $100 in most places. Adapters for Contax RF to leica M mount are available from a couple of eBay sellers for about $250-$300. eBay seller Amedeo.m seems to be a good seller to deal with based on the experience of several RFF members. If you already have M-mount cameras, an adapter makes sense- if not, one can usually pick up a functional post-WW2 Contax camera body for less money.
 
Dex:

Thanks again. The letter is T 30056, and you're correct; those are phillips screws holding the acc. shoe.

This caught my eye initially because I read in one of the threads that some M mount afficiandos considered the Sonnar 50mm 1.5 as an outstanding fast 50 for the M body (maybe it was Tom A.).

So if I can get this lens cleaned and pick up an affordable adapter, this may be an attractive alternative to a 50mm summilux for me. On the other hand, if I get a good price, perhaps I get the lens cleaned and shoot with the Contax body.

The camera feels solid in the hand, and the lens sparkles.

Tim
 
The use of phillips head screws indicates that someone has worked on the camera in the past. It might have no bearing on the work performed, other than the original screws were lost or damaged or a combination.

The original screws are somewhat soft and the screw heads can be damaged easily, so extra care is always needed when tightening or loosening them.

The focusing mechanism of the postwar cameras is different than the prewar cameras and often feels a bit rougher, even after the camera has been serviced.

There is a small trick to retighening the screws that should be followed when reattaching the helical assembly to the body. That can go a long way toward making the focusing movement feel smoother.

Like all cameras from the 1950s, it can use an overhaul. And the lens definitely needs work.

It would be very difficult to say whether then lens can be saved without a hands-on inspection. The Contax IIa in its own right is a fabulous camera. I like the smaller body and would choose it over a prewar camera.

Of course, you have knob wind and knob rewind and all of the "drawbacks" that are part of cameras from that era. That's a small part of the charm, perhaps.
 
My Contax IIIA V23048 is placed in the Black Dial mechanical flash attachment but the PC attachment is clearly color dial and the 25 and 50 shutter speeds are yellow. A factory conversion perhaps.

David
 
CZ had after service mounting PC flash and AR Lenses. My shopkeeper sent in Cameras and Lenses as late as 1956 and got them upgraded.
 
Frank S, good idea. Data is taken from "On the Trail of the Contax, Volume II" by Hans-Jurgen Kuc. For some reason, the table gets knocked out of format when posted, although it was fine when I typed it up in the message interface. I'll see if I can make it a sticky, too


Contax IIa, mechanical sync

Letter, Serial Number, Production date
P, 97,001-100,000, 11/1949 to 6/1950
S, 20,001-28,000, 7/1950 to 4/1951
T, 5,001-9,000, 3/1951 to 7/1951
T, 28,001-35,000, 8/1951 to 12/1951
U, 1-5,000, 1/1952 to 5/1952
V, 15,001-20,000, 7/1952 to 8/1952
X, 1-3,000, 9/1952 to 10/1952
Y, 57,001-62,001, 11/1952 to 3/1953
A, 43,001-46,001, 4/1953 to 10/1953

Contax IIa, PC sync

Letter, Serial Number, Production dates
A, 46,000-53,000, 11/1953 to 9/1954
B, 90,001-95,000, 10/1954 to 2/1955
F, 20,001-25,000, 3/1955 to7/1956
Q, 30,001-33,000, 7/1956 to 9/1957
R, 33,001-34,000, 11/1956 to 4/1958
L, 85,001-87,000, 4/1958 to 2/1961

Contax IIIa, mechanical sync

Letter, Serial Number, Production dates
T, 35,001-40,000, 3/1951 to 7/1952
V, 20,001-25,000, 7/1952 to 10/1952
Y, 52,001-57,000, 11/1952 to 3/1953
A, 53,001-63,000, 4/1953 to 10/1953

Contax IIIa, PC sync

Letter, Serial Number, Production dates
B, 95,001-100,000, 11/1953 to 9/1954
C, 1-5,000, 10/1954 to 2/1955
D, 76,001-86,000, 3/1955 to 1/1956
F, 25,001-30,000, 2/1956 to 8/1956
L, 75,001-85,000, 7/1956 to 7/1961
O, 86,001-91,000, 11/1956 to 7/1957
Q, 1 to 25, 1960
R, 34.001-38,000, 2/1961 to 8/1962
Thanks for this dexdog. I've found that mine is probably 1956 (Q31280) which for some reason makes me feel happy.
 
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