Erik van Straten
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Yes, they gave me a prototype for free. I love that lens.
This is one of the shots:
gelatin silver print (LLL 35mm f2 prototype) leica m2
Amsterdam, 2020
This is one of the shots:
gelatin silver print (LLL 35mm f2 prototype) leica m2
Amsterdam, 2020
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raid
Dad Photographer
Others at RFF paid around $500 or so for the 35/2 LLL replica of the 8 element Summicron M lens.
Then the prices shot up for LLL lenses.
Then the prices shot up for LLL lenses.
Duofold RF
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Conflict of interest - We cannot take your comment about LLL seriously since you got the free stuff (just kidding) - nice photo
Duofold RF
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The final payment ($500+shippment, tax) should be around $650-700. Canon 35mmf2 is an excellent LTM lens at the half cost. LLL's business model is unusual due to a small scale production.
raid
Dad Photographer
Often called "The Japanese Summicron". Canon 35/2. An excellent lens overall.
Deardorff38
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The current price for the LLL 8 element is circa $1100 USD .....depending on which finish and which mount.....
raid
Dad Photographer
It is still a good price at $1100.
Duofold RF
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I was talking about the initial offer at here which I think the price is acceptable. The current Popflash price, I consider as over priced. I have the original 1st version, I ordered a MC version try to compare, but LLL never deliver so does Professor Raid's naked brass version - he has to rubber off the paint to get what he initial ordered.
Erik van Straten
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raid
Dad Photographer
I wanted the brass version but I was then told that it was unclear when or if a brass version would ever be made.
Deardorff38
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That wasn't clear in your post. Raid changed his order if i remember correctly. Huss, who was here at the time did ultimately get a naked brass one. The whole affair was a real gong show...... only placated by getting a well centred lens in black paint for $500 IMO
Duofold RF
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the optical factory LLL used should be a decent facility judged by the photos they posted. They must use different supply chains for other components. The tolerance, assembly et al all affect the final products. I think the initial QC is hit or miss like these from USSR. I Will recommend canon 35mm f2 for the OP can be used on both M and LTM, sometime can be have for $300-400.
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Evergreen States
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If it's the same price, I'd just get the ƒ/2 lens. I'm with Erik on this. I usually use lenses stopped down for the depth of field, but another stop allows you spend more time taking pictures as the light fades. And I like spending time taking pictures.
Duofold RF
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BTW LLL did not copy the finer focusing helical thread of 1st version, which will be difficult and costly to make, so I disagree to call it replica, the knock off would be a better description, however, Prof Raid may disagree.
Duofold RF
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Deardorff38
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I don't think the word replica has been used in this thread. Regardless of what you call it, it's a good lens...when it was $500.
Duofold RF
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Professor used
Deardorff38
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Apologies.... so he did. Hard to keep track when we keep going down the rabbit hole of minutia about the lens.Professor used
raid
Dad Photographer
I am not an optics expert . I use lenses and I get a good feeling on many lenses.
LLL tried to make it a replica. Did they succeed?
LLL tried to make it a replica. Did they succeed?
coogee
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Having used both the original 35 f/2 Summicron and the LLL replica, I would say yes, they very much succeeded. I would have no hesitation using either the LLL or the f/2.8 Summaron on your M2 @OP, neither would disappoint.