dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
This question is, I guess, a corollary to Joe's thread here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59485
Here's the reason for asking the question in the subject line.
Many times, when going through a roll or two (or images on a card) I have a handful of "keepers" - images I like and I think are "good" to me. I am happy with them. I don't necessarily show them to everyone or such but I like the image. This does not mean I'm not going to try to get better by continuing to learn from other folks' techniques, images etc. but I know I like the images I've kept.
The others are "throw aways".
So, with that in mind, do you find that you have to look to others to validate your images? Do you see a need or desire to have other people "like" your images? That is, a desire to have others see your images and say "this appeals to me" in order to feel that you're doing well in your photographic endeavours?
I'm curious how others feel about this.
Cheers,
Dave
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59485
Here's the reason for asking the question in the subject line.
Many times, when going through a roll or two (or images on a card) I have a handful of "keepers" - images I like and I think are "good" to me. I am happy with them. I don't necessarily show them to everyone or such but I like the image. This does not mean I'm not going to try to get better by continuing to learn from other folks' techniques, images etc. but I know I like the images I've kept.
The others are "throw aways".
So, with that in mind, do you find that you have to look to others to validate your images? Do you see a need or desire to have other people "like" your images? That is, a desire to have others see your images and say "this appeals to me" in order to feel that you're doing well in your photographic endeavours?
I'm curious how others feel about this.
Cheers,
Dave
Shac
Well-known
Dave – for me it’s a mix of both. It’s great if someone else appreciates an image I like, it’s also interesting when they like an image I don’t particularly.
However, one thing I wrestle with (usually unsuccessfully) when evaluating my images, is separating the image per se from the emotional tags that often relate to the subject &/or the circumstances when I took the image.
All that said, my bottom line is that I show and display images that I like, not those others like.
However, one thing I wrestle with (usually unsuccessfully) when evaluating my images, is separating the image per se from the emotional tags that often relate to the subject &/or the circumstances when I took the image.
All that said, my bottom line is that I show and display images that I like, not those others like.
FPjohn
Well-known
Well no. There always seems to be improvements to be had or an "instant" missed.
yours
FPJ
yours
FPJ
raid
Dad Photographer
Taking photos of my children always give me keepers because I love looking at my children. I am content with what I am capable to accomplish [and what I am lacking] in photography. There are more important issues in life [for me] than lifting my photography to higher levels.
feenej
Well-known
Yeah, I usually get 1-3 images on a roll that I just love. That's why I get such a kick from photography. The thing of it is tho, is that me liking one of my photos does not mean that it is any good. So... it's nice when other people sometimes like them.
FrankS
Registered User
Same as you Dave.
Paul_C
Established
I definitely get a charge when someone understands one of my pictures as I do - or as I don't. If someone compliments one with a shallow "ooh, that's pretty" or whatever I'll thank them, but it doesn't really do much for me.
I'm confident in my photos and don't feel the need for validation from others. You don't have to like them. They probably don't match your drapes anyway.
I *do* like hearing feedback on how people interpret and respond to photos, but that's something very different than looking for validation.
I'm confident in my photos and don't feel the need for validation from others. You don't have to like them. They probably don't match your drapes anyway.
I *do* like hearing feedback on how people interpret and respond to photos, but that's something very different than looking for validation.
BigSteveG
Well-known
If I was "satisfied" I'd stop making images.
Roger Hicks
Mentor
If you are so strict, why do you shoot so many failures?
(This is not a personal attack of any kind. I do the same thing. But I'm interested in your reply.)
Cheers,
R.
FrankS
Registered User
Roger, that sounds just like my wife who asks me, why don't you just shoot the good pictures and not all those bad ones!
tmfabian
I met a man once...
I actually have a need for people to dislike my photos.
Even if it's a picture I think is the cats pajamas, having a rough critique gives me a challenge to improve BEYOND where I am today....it's what keeps me going out and taking pictures.
Even if it's a picture I think is the cats pajamas, having a rough critique gives me a challenge to improve BEYOND where I am today....it's what keeps me going out and taking pictures.
Roger Hicks
Mentor
Dear Taliesin,
Clearly you do shoot failures, or you would have a 100% hit rate.
I specifically said that this was not a personal attack, because I do the same thing; I was interested in your analysis of why it happens.
My hit rates? I increasingly wonder if this means anything. Pictures I keep? Pictures I like? Pictures that are published? For keepers, at best, maybe 30/36. At worst, not 1/36. For publication, much the same -- but I'll rarely use 30/36 except for pack shots and step-by-steps.
I'd hate to average the 30/36s and the 1/36s, but as a rough guess, I'd say 30-50% good publishable, the same again usable in desperation, the remainder effectively scrappers.
Cheers,
R.
tmfabian
I met a man once...
See, I'd be screwed here, I always wind on the first 5 frames of a 36 roll so that when it comes down to sleeving them i don't end up with those lousy orphan negs. So for me...even if every single frame I shot was perfect I'd end up with an 83% hit hahaha.
oh well, i'm off to get a burrito....mmmmm
Carlitos
Member
To me, photography is a reflection of what I see through the limitations of the camera and my ability to capture a subject to my desired feeling or intent. With that said, I always start by taking a picture of something I like, and once it is produced, it takes a life of its own. Invariable, of the few people who do look at my pictures and like them, many times it is for reasons I never even noticed; and that is a bonus.
But I think it is this process of the dance between the subject, the creator, and the observer, that gives a picture its soul.
But I think it is this process of the dance between the subject, the creator, and the observer, that gives a picture its soul.
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
Yes, I like my work. Yes I know my limitations.
Others often love my pics, even if I know they are not that special technically nor artistically. It doesn't matter. I take the Bob Ross view really: 'The moment you are 100% satisfied, you might as well quit'.
And if I think one of mine is brilliant (rare), and all of RFF says it' s*cks, I still think it's brilliant.
Others often love my pics, even if I know they are not that special technically nor artistically. It doesn't matter. I take the Bob Ross view really: 'The moment you are 100% satisfied, you might as well quit'.
And if I think one of mine is brilliant (rare), and all of RFF says it' s*cks, I still think it's brilliant.
monochromejrnl
Well-known
Dave - interesting question ...
my photography fall into three general categories...
1. those I shoot for myself (vast majority);
2. those I shoot for others (usually for famliy or friends);
3. those I shoot to share with others (some of my travel, candid and 'street' photography falls into this category)...
the above aren't mutually exclusive and may overlap...
I couldn't care less what others think about photos that fall into the first category.
For those images that fall into category 2, I only care what the intended audience thinks or likes about those photos because I make those images for them.
I do care what others think about images that fall into the third category, not for personal validation, but because it's important to me to see what others perceive as it may in some cases help me to see differently... and for me, this last category of photography or image making is all about different perspectives on neutral subject matter, while the first two are about personal perspectives on personal subject matter...
my photography fall into three general categories...
1. those I shoot for myself (vast majority);
2. those I shoot for others (usually for famliy or friends);
3. those I shoot to share with others (some of my travel, candid and 'street' photography falls into this category)...
the above aren't mutually exclusive and may overlap...
I couldn't care less what others think about photos that fall into the first category.
For those images that fall into category 2, I only care what the intended audience thinks or likes about those photos because I make those images for them.
I do care what others think about images that fall into the third category, not for personal validation, but because it's important to me to see what others perceive as it may in some cases help me to see differently... and for me, this last category of photography or image making is all about different perspectives on neutral subject matter, while the first two are about personal perspectives on personal subject matter...
Carlitos
Member
"I never have taken a picture I've intended. They're always better or worse."
- Diane Arbus
[remember, she did kill herself...] :angel:
- Diane Arbus
[remember, she did kill herself...] :angel:
dazedgonebye
Mentor
I am...except when I'm not.
I often like what I do but I always think I can do more/better.
Yes, I like positive feedback from others. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother to post my shots anywhere.
I often like what I do but I always think I can do more/better.
Yes, I like positive feedback from others. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother to post my shots anywhere.
monochromejrnl
Well-known
forgot to add, I don't think about photos in categories 1 and 2 as 'keepers' or 'throw aways'... all of those photos are usually 'significant' to me and I keep them all... what is perhaps not that significant to me at time x may become extremely significant to me at time y...
images in category 3 are rarely 'keepers' - (for me, defined as something worth spending lots of time and energy to produce the best print possible)... for cat. 3 images, the process is usually more important that the image... i enjoy travel photoraphy, walking around town 'shooting stuff', taking random candids etc...
images in category 3 are rarely 'keepers' - (for me, defined as something worth spending lots of time and energy to produce the best print possible)... for cat. 3 images, the process is usually more important that the image... i enjoy travel photoraphy, walking around town 'shooting stuff', taking random candids etc...
Dektol Dan
Well-known
If you had sex
If you had sex
Would you know if you came?
Of course.
But now that I'm older I have the Universal Dying Man's Wish that I close my eyes for the last time remembering the best I ever had.
If one can't figure the keepers from the culls, I very much doubt that he can differentiate self abuse from The Real Deal, much less the Really Good Deal.
If you had sex
Would you know if you came?
Of course.
But now that I'm older I have the Universal Dying Man's Wish that I close my eyes for the last time remembering the best I ever had.
If one can't figure the keepers from the culls, I very much doubt that he can differentiate self abuse from The Real Deal, much less the Really Good Deal.