GarethO
Member
I just picked it up and I must say WOW. takes a bit of getting used to as it works very differently to my old powershot and new d700.
I got the black one.
first impressions.
-Now I know why everyone says it looks good. I didn't understand why everyone was going on about the looks, and I don't care that much. But it does look good and feels VERY nice.
-Very easy to adjust manual controls, though at first I wasn't sure where I had to look, I soon worked out how to switch between optical VF, digital VF and digital screen selection.
-With no card it takes a while to write the files. i really should have bought an SD card, but it's not my camera and we have some at work. So tomorrow we will see.
-playback is default to the VF, which is nice is daylight conditions which are hopeless for chimping shots.
-the scroll wheel can be used to over or under expose 2 steps (not full stops) from the shutter speed setting on the top of the camera, allowing minor adjustments without taking your eye off the VF.
- the little lever (yes it's a lever) above the scroll wheel can be used to do the same with aperture.
-macro mode defaults to digital VF, as the optical VF is not TTL (through the lens). it works very nicely.
-hold AE button and scrool to change metering mode.
-hold AF and scroll or press direction to change AF-S AF point. AF point can be made up to twice as large or half as small using the lttle lever. the AF point is clearly show on the rear screen when selecting and dimly in the VF, it's a bit hard to press the AF button when looking through the VF. you are more likely to select a point and then look through AF, though you can do both at the same time if you really want to.
-it seems as though AF-C can only be a central large plus in the middle and cannot be moved. this kind of sucks, but it does adjust constantly, even when shutter button is not pressed.
I just set display to the lcd screen instead of the default VF and that is most likely where it will stay for indoor shooting. the viewfinder is great, but as it is way off from the lens the framing in the optical VF is VERY different to the end result. you can use digital though, which frames the same as the shot. there is very little lag when using the rear screen to compose and shoot. I like it a lot.
The image quality, even at high iso and wide open is outstanding! I will do a comparison to my d700 with 35 1.4G when i get the chance.
overall.
THIS CAMERA IS A DREAM COME TRUE.
makes the pens look like a toy, makes the nex look like a gadget. full points fuji!
i really couldn't have hoped to get a better camera for school, the photos will be almost as good after i have left as they are now. they better be bloody greatful considering i fundraised for the camera by doing a lot of photos and processing and get nothing in return!
I got the black one.
first impressions.
-Now I know why everyone says it looks good. I didn't understand why everyone was going on about the looks, and I don't care that much. But it does look good and feels VERY nice.
-Very easy to adjust manual controls, though at first I wasn't sure where I had to look, I soon worked out how to switch between optical VF, digital VF and digital screen selection.
-With no card it takes a while to write the files. i really should have bought an SD card, but it's not my camera and we have some at work. So tomorrow we will see.
-playback is default to the VF, which is nice is daylight conditions which are hopeless for chimping shots.
-the scroll wheel can be used to over or under expose 2 steps (not full stops) from the shutter speed setting on the top of the camera, allowing minor adjustments without taking your eye off the VF.
- the little lever (yes it's a lever) above the scroll wheel can be used to do the same with aperture.
-macro mode defaults to digital VF, as the optical VF is not TTL (through the lens). it works very nicely.
-hold AE button and scrool to change metering mode.
-hold AF and scroll or press direction to change AF-S AF point. AF point can be made up to twice as large or half as small using the lttle lever. the AF point is clearly show on the rear screen when selecting and dimly in the VF, it's a bit hard to press the AF button when looking through the VF. you are more likely to select a point and then look through AF, though you can do both at the same time if you really want to.
-it seems as though AF-C can only be a central large plus in the middle and cannot be moved. this kind of sucks, but it does adjust constantly, even when shutter button is not pressed.
I just set display to the lcd screen instead of the default VF and that is most likely where it will stay for indoor shooting. the viewfinder is great, but as it is way off from the lens the framing in the optical VF is VERY different to the end result. you can use digital though, which frames the same as the shot. there is very little lag when using the rear screen to compose and shoot. I like it a lot.
The image quality, even at high iso and wide open is outstanding! I will do a comparison to my d700 with 35 1.4G when i get the chance.
overall.
THIS CAMERA IS A DREAM COME TRUE.
makes the pens look like a toy, makes the nex look like a gadget. full points fuji!
i really couldn't have hoped to get a better camera for school, the photos will be almost as good after i have left as they are now. they better be bloody greatful considering i fundraised for the camera by doing a lot of photos and processing and get nothing in return!
GarethO
Member
this should be enough for people to judge. full size jpeg and RAW files from the X100 and the D700 with 35 1.4G at f/2 and f/4.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VAHUP5MU
I forgot to say the D700 was set to 12-bit RAW, as the X100 only does 12-bit.
The focus point on the D700 pics is the triangular roof up the top as that was the brightest point and easiest to manually focus on.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VAHUP5MU
I forgot to say the D700 was set to 12-bit RAW, as the X100 only does 12-bit.
The focus point on the D700 pics is the triangular roof up the top as that was the brightest point and easiest to manually focus on.
GarethO
Member
I put those on megaupload as they are packed in a 350Mb zip file. it is not malware. others have opened them without issues. the zip also contains a txt file that says what the camera settings were.
as for point and shoots. we have three. they take horrible pictures. there are of course other cameras but the reason I went for the x100 rather than a dslr, is that it can fit in a teachers apron pocket (a major point in it being used), and the setting can pretty much be left on f/2 1/125 all of the time when inside. i know what you mean about AF speed, and it is wayyyyy slower than my dslrs. but it IS easier to use and it DOES take great picture.
The pictures out of the camera have less pop than my d300s, but much less noise, and the camera takes up less space. so i suppose it depends on whether the shoe fits.
your not gonna go out and take bird or soccer pictures with the x100 though.
atm you can only use the bundled software to edit RAWs. it is a fuji silkypix ap and I REALLY don't like it. it can't develope NEF so can't compare to d700 files, but these should give you a clue.
click through to my photobucket page to download in full size.
X100 f4 ISO1600 JPG
X100 f4 ISO1600 JPG from RAW
X100 f/2 ISO1600 JPG
X100 f/2 ISO1600 JPG from RAW
X100 f/2 ISO1250 JPG
X100 f/2 ISO1250 JPG from RAW
X100 f/8 ISO500 JPG, tripod
X100 f/8 ISO500 JPG from RAW, tripod
X100 f/4 ISO 400 JPG, handheld
X100 f/4 ISO 400 JPG from RAW, handheld
as for point and shoots. we have three. they take horrible pictures. there are of course other cameras but the reason I went for the x100 rather than a dslr, is that it can fit in a teachers apron pocket (a major point in it being used), and the setting can pretty much be left on f/2 1/125 all of the time when inside. i know what you mean about AF speed, and it is wayyyyy slower than my dslrs. but it IS easier to use and it DOES take great picture.
The pictures out of the camera have less pop than my d300s, but much less noise, and the camera takes up less space. so i suppose it depends on whether the shoe fits.
your not gonna go out and take bird or soccer pictures with the x100 though.
atm you can only use the bundled software to edit RAWs. it is a fuji silkypix ap and I REALLY don't like it. it can't develope NEF so can't compare to d700 files, but these should give you a clue.
click through to my photobucket page to download in full size.
X100 f4 ISO1600 JPG
X100 f4 ISO1600 JPG from RAW
X100 f/2 ISO1600 JPG
X100 f/2 ISO1600 JPG from RAW
X100 f/2 ISO1250 JPG
X100 f/2 ISO1250 JPG from RAW
X100 f/8 ISO500 JPG, tripod
X100 f/8 ISO500 JPG from RAW, tripod
X100 f/4 ISO 400 JPG, handheld
X100 f/4 ISO 400 JPG from RAW, handheld
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GarethO
Member
the jpegs are out of camera. the RAWs were edited in order to show what could be achieved over the out of camera jpegs.
The d700 files are far superior in terms of detail and i didn't even shoot in 14-bit which I almost always do.
after a few days of shooting it my final conclusions are.
1. for the most part it's very easy to use.
2. it's small and nicely balanced, unlike a NEX
3. image quality in terms of pop, in jpeg standard settings is slightly better than EP-1
4. high ISO performance is very usable, 1600 no trouble, 3200 if you want to.
4. adjusting most settings is one click.
5. it works nicely with my sb-700 in manual mode on a sc-29. the camera has a commander option, setting this and the sb-700 to commander does NOT enable triggering remotes.
6. the auto ISO works well, but is buried on page 3 of the settings menu.
7. the auto focus is slow compared to dslrs, i hope they update this in firmware like the PENs did.
8. the write speeds are very slow. even jpeg fine takes a while. I bought an extreme pro card and it only made a little difference over a class 4 card. i hope this gets a firmware update too. the buffer does however hold 10 jpeg or 9 RAW. you can keep shooting while the previous burst is processing up to the buffer full point.
9. you get software. i suggest cancelling the first fuji ap (when it asks for language) and then installing only the RAF helper (installs after first ap) and silkypix until lightroom etc. do an update.
10. not cheap, and realistically, for most people, not worth 2 PENs or even a NEX and a PEN. extremely niche market at this price. it will need to drop down to $700-800 pretty fast to stay in the game.
The d700 files are far superior in terms of detail and i didn't even shoot in 14-bit which I almost always do.
after a few days of shooting it my final conclusions are.
1. for the most part it's very easy to use.
2. it's small and nicely balanced, unlike a NEX
3. image quality in terms of pop, in jpeg standard settings is slightly better than EP-1
4. high ISO performance is very usable, 1600 no trouble, 3200 if you want to.
4. adjusting most settings is one click.
5. it works nicely with my sb-700 in manual mode on a sc-29. the camera has a commander option, setting this and the sb-700 to commander does NOT enable triggering remotes.
6. the auto ISO works well, but is buried on page 3 of the settings menu.
7. the auto focus is slow compared to dslrs, i hope they update this in firmware like the PENs did.
8. the write speeds are very slow. even jpeg fine takes a while. I bought an extreme pro card and it only made a little difference over a class 4 card. i hope this gets a firmware update too. the buffer does however hold 10 jpeg or 9 RAW. you can keep shooting while the previous burst is processing up to the buffer full point.
9. you get software. i suggest cancelling the first fuji ap (when it asks for language) and then installing only the RAF helper (installs after first ap) and silkypix until lightroom etc. do an update.
10. not cheap, and realistically, for most people, not worth 2 PENs or even a NEX and a PEN. extremely niche market at this price. it will need to drop down to $700-800 pretty fast to stay in the game.
David_Manning
Well-known
Gareth,
Thanks for your impressions. I have a D700 and a Powershot G10 too, and 35mm is my favorite focal length. So I'm intrigued as to whether this will be the super-duper travel camera for me.
Please keep us updated.
----David.
Thanks for your impressions. I have a D700 and a Powershot G10 too, and 35mm is my favorite focal length. So I'm intrigued as to whether this will be the super-duper travel camera for me.
Please keep us updated.
----David.
Pickett Wilson
Mentor
"7. the auto focus is slow compared to dslrs,"
This is always the deal breaker for me with these cameras. Thanks for the review.
This is always the deal breaker for me with these cameras. Thanks for the review.
tekst
Established
You mention you "...got the black one" ? I didn't realise they were being released in black. Are you able to post a shot of the actual camera ?
bwcolor
Mentor
Same here +1 on above.
But, much faster than my rangefinder and SLR manual focus.
So, keep it a secret, but I ordered one through Robert. So, unless I hear that autofocus is on par with the X1, I'll go through with the order.
Quash
Member
Can you confirm if the OVF Power Saving Mode is on or off in the menu. Fuji claims AF speed is twice as fast when off but battery is twice as long when On. Curious if that would make a difference in AF speed.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I'm also curious about black ... there's been no mention of black being available that I can remember?
tapesonthefloor
Well-known
No offence, but between the random forum links and the anonymous ZIP/image hosting this looks really spammy.
andredossantos
Well-known
I have to agree. With all the hype around this camera, I think that an available black version would be common knowledge.
Also why are there no d700 pictures in the thread? Almost seems like a way to entice people to download the megaupload link.
Honestly I would not click that link. Sorry to the OP if you are genuine but it just seems fishy at this point.
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More like "offense" rather than "no offense" in the light of the selection of "the black one".
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Early Morning Market at Pak Nam Pran
ishpop
tall person
These were his 1st 4 posts... hmmm.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
This is apparently a 1:1 repost of several posts on the X100 threads at Nikon Rumors, hence the random forum links. The poster is apparently something of a more regular poster there, with ~300 posts. The images there are linked to larger versions on Photobucket.
I can download the ZIP file and it looks all right (no malware warning on my PC, and it contains only JPEG, NEF and one text file so there isn't really much where malware could be hiding). I get some CRC errors though that result in damage to some of the JPEGs.
GarethO
Member
If you don'T want to download it just do do it. it's no skin off my nose.
some quick and nasty shots for the naysayers
some quick and nasty shots for the naysayers
GarethO
Member
Default is off and I haven't changed it. didn't realise fuji said that. battery life with it off however, is very good.
Jungle Jim
Leica Fat Old Men's Club
Thanks for posting the pictures and your impressions of the X100, GarethO.
When you had said you had got the black one of the X100, we all thought you had something like this:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1562381&postcount=10
Which was why everyone was so excited.
All the Best!
When you had said you had got the black one of the X100, we all thought you had something like this:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1562381&postcount=10
Which was why everyone was so excited.
All the Best!
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special.foto
see twice, shoot once
How is manual focus in efv mode? What about in ovf?
cjcm
Member
Thanks for your X100 report, GarethO.
Don't know if you're familiar with rangefinders, but the difference in view between OVF / EVF is the price to pay to get the advantages of the OVF. That is normal for me. You have to practice a bit and this won't be a limit any more.
Sad however that the AF point in AF-C mode can only be the center of the picture... may be a future firmware improvment target ?
Don't know if you're familiar with rangefinders, but the difference in view between OVF / EVF is the price to pay to get the advantages of the OVF. That is normal for me. You have to practice a bit and this won't be a limit any more.
Sad however that the AF point in AF-C mode can only be the center of the picture... may be a future firmware improvment target ?