goamules
Well-known
I don't have the original Zeiss Sonnar, but do have three clones or "Sonnar type" lenses. So I shot them close up and wide open, then F2.0. Next will be wide open at infinity, then finally stopped down a good ways. They are all in extremely good condition; an an early 50s Nikkor 50/1.4, a 1963 Jupiter-3 50/1.5, and an early 50s Canon 50/1.5.
Here they are wide open, in secret order to be disclosed later:
Here they are wide open, in secret order to be disclosed later:
KarlG
Established
I'm not going to even try and guess which is which! Of the three, I like the rendering of #2 best, followed closely by #1. Interested to see the results of your other tests (as well as find out which lens is which!)
tomtofa
Well-known
I'll guess N, C, J, but what do I know? I like 2,3,1 in that order, close between 2,3. 1 is a bit harsh for my taste. Look forward to the further tests -thanks.
ray*j*gun
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Nikkor, Canon & Jupitor
goamules
Well-known
I'm glad you are participating! Here are the same lenses in the same order, at F2.0. You'll notice things definitely changing (sharpness, spherical aberration) but some features are carrying through (color rendering, coma):
sevres_babylone
Mentor
I would have said N, J, C after the wide-open ones, but after F2, I would have said N, C, J. But I'll stick with N, J, C, just so as not to be seen as a ray*j*gun copier.
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canon, nikkor, jupiter-3
ferider
Mentor
Canon, J3, Nikkor, like the title says. And, I favor the Nikkor (just in case you didn't know 
). Have the Canon, too.
What version is your Nikkor ? Also, on a crop sensor I assume ? Differences would be more visible full frame.
Thanks for the comparison.
). Have the Canon, too.What version is your Nikkor ? Also, on a crop sensor I assume ? Differences would be more visible full frame.
Thanks for the comparison.
Pioneer
Mentor
They all look really good but if I had to guess I would say Nikkor, Canon and J3.
Hibbs
R.I.P. Charlie
J3...Canon...Nikkor is my best guess.
~ Hibbs
~ Hibbs
Harry Lime
Practitioner
Are you sure that the Nikkor 50/1.4 is a Sonnar? I don't believe it is.
The Nikkor 1.5/50 was a Sonnar clone, but it costs a small fortune these days...
The Nikkor 1.5/50 was a Sonnar clone, but it costs a small fortune these days...
goamules
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Canon, J3, Nikkor, like the title says. And, I favor the Nikkor (just in case you didn't know
What version is your Nikkor ? Also, on a crop sensor I assume ? Differences would be more visible full frame.
Thanks for the comparison.
DING...Ding...Ding! We have a winner. Good job, and I think the key is how the Nikkor changes from F1.4 to F2, eh? If you know them.... Mine is a 350xxx Nippon Kogaku Japan. And yeah, we'd be able to tell a lot more on 35mm, but I was using a G1 m4/3.
So the order is:
Canon
Jupiter 3
Nikkor
goamules
Well-known
I like to do these comparisons sometimes, because they're less subjective than when we try to describe a lens with words. What is "glow....smooth rendering....the way it draws...etc." Here, as close as I could, are three lenses shot the same way.
I used to not see the difference in 35mm lenses. I shot LF mostly where I can. When someone posts a great picture, then tags the lens used, it's hard to tell how the shot would have looked with a different lens.
What is amazing is that three lenses, ostensibly of the same Sonnar design, look so different. So, what could be different in 3 sonars? The coatings, the accuracy of the ground curves, the thickness of the elements, the types of glass, the type of balsam or cement to glue the elements, the internal reflectivity of the barrel, and more! Even 3 similar designs from 3 different makers are different.
I used to not see the difference in 35mm lenses. I shot LF mostly where I can. When someone posts a great picture, then tags the lens used, it's hard to tell how the shot would have looked with a different lens.
What is amazing is that three lenses, ostensibly of the same Sonnar design, look so different. So, what could be different in 3 sonars? The coatings, the accuracy of the ground curves, the thickness of the elements, the types of glass, the type of balsam or cement to glue the elements, the internal reflectivity of the barrel, and more! Even 3 similar designs from 3 different makers are different.
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
I'm leaning this way too. When I had the Canon 50 f1.4 it had more contast then my Nikon did. Just slightly more.
farlymac
PF McFarland
Love that J-3. It doesn't surprize me much, as my Industar-26M is such a fine lens.
PF
PF
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i remember reading up somewhere that the canon is the sharpest among the Nikkors and Jupite. The first image is sharpest in my opinion.
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can we have one last image comparison at f2.8 ? the images should be quite sharpened at f2.8 / f4...
Heru Anggono
Member
Brian Legge
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Very interesting.
I prefer the Nikkor at f/1.4 and the Jupiter at f/2. All 3 lenses seen very sharp in the foreground. My preference is primarily the attributes of the background (though the color cast of the Canon does hurt its appeal slightly).
I prefer the Nikkor at f/1.4 and the Jupiter at f/2. All 3 lenses seen very sharp in the foreground. My preference is primarily the attributes of the background (though the color cast of the Canon does hurt its appeal slightly).
haempe
Well-known
Thank You for curing my GAS for the Nikkor 50/1.4.
I'll stick with my Jup3, nicest in this test, imho.
What year is the used Jup3?
I'll stick with my Jup3, nicest in this test, imho.
What year is the used Jup3?