Deardorff38
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While that's true, i've come to the conclusion that "he who dies with the most toys" does not winThey still sell Barnack bodies, you know
& I've still got more than enough cameras to work with.
Deardorff38
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JB, In what way do you find the view better than the Leitz finders? I have a metal CV 35 finder (because it's smaller and more discrete than the SBLOO ) and other than that the Leitz metal ones for 21/28/50. I've been apprehensive about the CV finders with plastic housing & feet as i have seen them break.....
Richard G
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On the M9 I set the ZM 21 4.5 to be a Leica 21 2.8. Seems to work well enough. There are very few photographs where the purple fringing is obvious.
Richmond Hill by Richard, on Flickr
Richmond Hill by Richard, on Flickr
Richard G
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Richard G
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The Zeiss finder view is glorious. I reckon a scribed cross hair would have been good like the Hasselblad focussing screen. I find the M5 is very good with the 21. Its bigger size allows a better feel for horizontal level and flatness of the film plane parallel to the subject. My two lug M5 allows a lot of the right hand to wrap around the camera.
Dante_Stella
Rex canum cattorumque
Let me save you the trouble. If you don't like the VC, you will absolutely hate the TTA.
Beemermark
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I love my Super Angulon 21/4. I also have an Avenon 21/2.8 LTM which is marvelous lens on digital and film. Also have the Super Angulon 21/3.4 (M only). Maybe some more -. I had the VC 21 LTM and just didn't cotton to it. The Avenon is something of a rare bird and just a few years ago sold for $800~$1000. Now seems to be selling around the $500 mark, don't know why. Only down to the Avenon in my opinion is the size. Still smaller than the Zeiss 21.
. I had the VC 21 LTM and just didn't cotton to it. The Avenon is something of a rare bird and just a few years ago sold for $800~$1000. Now seems to be selling around the $500 mark, don't know why. Only down to the Avenon in my opinion is the size. Still smaller than the Zeiss 21.Attachments
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Richard G
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That SA looks fantastic on the IIIf.
jc031699
Established
I have a 21/4 M, would love the LTM. Want to trade?Good call..... i traded out my 21/f4 M for a 21/f4 LTM....(kept the Leica finder)......but at this point i have no more LTM bodies
Beemermark
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Leica never made a 21 LTM. They made a 21 M mount with a semi-permanent attached LTM to M adapter. I think they did this to get people to buy the M3. One little grub screw unscrewed and that 21 SA M mount becomes a 21 SA LTM
wlewisiii
Just another hotel clerk
I have 21/4 Skopar & it's finder too. You'll like it I think. I honestly don't use it often but it's always great when I do.
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
jbielikowski
Jan Bielikowski
I can see more around the framelines also I find the overall clarity better, and I compared it to both metal and plastic Leitz 21mm finders. Regarding 35 CV finder I also like it better than SBLOO.
sojournerphoto
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This. The TTA finders are nowhere near the Zeiss. The 21 is better, in my view, than the 28, but they’re for sticking in a pack when I go for a run with the MDa.
chuckroast
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As promised. Very clear with good eye relief. Still experimenting to see how close the angle of view is with the lens.
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jbielikowski
Jan Bielikowski
I dig it, thanks!
das
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I agree that the newer Zeiss 21mm f/4.5 is absolutely fantastic. As close to technical distortion control perfection as I have seen.
But I also love the older 1950s Zeiss 21mm f/4.5. Its distortion control is also fantastic, but it's really an f/8 - f/11 lens for best results and has some questionable real-world ergonomics with its aperture/focusing controls. Word on the street is that someone has figured out a cheap and easy way to modify these to work on Coiro/Amedeo Leica M adapters with RF coupling, while retaining its ability to work on the original Contax/Nikon S mount. Just sent mine off to get it done. Despite the posts about it, I could not get an unmodified 21mm f/4.5 to mount with the Amedeo LTM adapter on a Leica M, Canon rangefinder, or a Bessa R4. Must only work with Barnacks.
But I also love the older 1950s Zeiss 21mm f/4.5. Its distortion control is also fantastic, but it's really an f/8 - f/11 lens for best results and has some questionable real-world ergonomics with its aperture/focusing controls. Word on the street is that someone has figured out a cheap and easy way to modify these to work on Coiro/Amedeo Leica M adapters with RF coupling, while retaining its ability to work on the original Contax/Nikon S mount. Just sent mine off to get it done. Despite the posts about it, I could not get an unmodified 21mm f/4.5 to mount with the Amedeo LTM adapter on a Leica M, Canon rangefinder, or a Bessa R4. Must only work with Barnacks.
Beemermark
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chuckroast
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I've shot a bit with the Skopar and Artisan finder now on both a IIIf and M2. One thing I didn't really think about while I was testing was the that flash shoe axis is not the same as the lens axis. The finder ends up being somewhat to the right of the taking axis. This is more pronounced on the M5 (see below). But, it's a matter of learning to eyeball it. After all, aux finders are never going to be more accurate than the in-camera finder, which in turn is never going to be like an SLR - it's the joy of a rangefinder system
