payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
From review of Zeiss Ikon in Shutterbug:
"Shutter speeds are 1 second to 1/2000 sec + B, sync at 1/125, clockwise for faster, like all Bessas and all Leicas except the M6 TTL and M7."
I'd have been fooled if I didn't know better. Goes to show that writers (I am one) need editors (I am one).
"Shutter speeds are 1 second to 1/2000 sec + B, sync at 1/125, clockwise for faster, like all Bessas and all Leicas except the M6 TTL and M7."
I'd have been fooled if I didn't know better. Goes to show that writers (I am one) need editors (I am one).
Uwe_Nds
Chief Assistant Driver
Wasn't it a Montana State Law that said it's illegal to carry guns on a highway except for the purpose of killing a wild animal or a policeman on duty?
Cheers,
Uwe
Cheers,
Uwe
payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
Didn't know about that one, Uwe, but there's a book called Eats, Shoots and Leaves. Or else there's no comma in the title, on which all hinges.
Uwe_Nds
Chief Assistant Driver
Mukul,
Nice one, too.
Cheers,
Uwe
Nice one, too.
Cheers,
Uwe
JohnTF
Mentor
I used to check the front page box at the Plain Dealer, and between editions, one of the Linotype operators left the "L" out of clock, in "Don't forget to turn your clocks back tonight", and not only did I get to hear "Stop the Presses", -- all the trucks had to be called back, page one was re-plated, and a lot of papers thrown out. Someone had slipped it in after I made the corrections. Fortunately the evidence clearing me in this case was in the first edition's box which was correct.
Folks used to really look for these opportunities, you never wanted to use "pen and is" separated only by a space. ;-)
Regards, John
Folks used to really look for these opportunities, you never wanted to use "pen and is" separated only by a space. ;-)
Regards, John
Roger Hicks
Mentor
Editors lamentably seldom check facts or even grammar, and lamentably often try to impose their own prejudices.
A good editor is beyond rubies. The other sort...
Then again, I'm not sure what the complaint is. The comma after faster? All I can plead is that I've just driven 300 km in a 1972 Land Rover and had dinner with my wife and daughter with at least my share of 3 bottles of fizz.
Tashi delek,
R.
A good editor is beyond rubies. The other sort...
Then again, I'm not sure what the complaint is. The comma after faster? All I can plead is that I've just driven 300 km in a 1972 Land Rover and had dinner with my wife and daughter with at least my share of 3 bottles of fizz.
Tashi delek,
R.
ferider
Mentor
It took me a moment, Mukul. Translated to German it actually makes sense ....
Cheers,
Roland.
Cheers,
Roland.
JohnTF
Mentor
Roger, it could have been worse, like you could have used like in place of as.
;-)
;-)
Al Kaplan
Mentor
I'm still trying to understand how the Miami Herald editors slipped up on a Sunday cover of their Tropical Life section. Check it out on my blog www.thepriceofsilver.blogspot.com on the January 10, 2009 posting titled "My Birthday Greeting from The Miami Herald". I don't know how else you could possibly pronounce that word...LOL
payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
This is the complaint, this might have fooled me:
"Shutter speeds are 1 second to 1/2000 sec + B, sync at 1/125 ... like all Bessas and all Leicas except the M6 TTL and M7."
Matter of sentence construction.
"Shutter speeds are 1 second to 1/2000 sec + B, sync at 1/125 ... like all Bessas and all Leicas except the M6 TTL and M7."
Matter of sentence construction.
dmr
Registered Abuser
Then again, I'm not sure what the complaint is.
Maybe I'm just dense, but I sure don't get it. I understand exactly what is meant, I think anyway.
kxl
Social Documentary
"Shutter speeds are 1 second to 1/2000 sec + B, sync at 1/125, clockwise for faster, like all Bessas and all Leicas except the M6 TTL and M7"
could be interpreted in 2 ways:
1) ALL features (shutter speed, sync and clockwise) are like all Bessas and all Leicas, except the M6 TTL and M7.
OR
2) Only the "clockwise for faster" is like all Bessas and Leicas.
Either the writer didn't know any better or he was just lazy.
could be interpreted in 2 ways:
1) ALL features (shutter speed, sync and clockwise) are like all Bessas and all Leicas, except the M6 TTL and M7.
OR
2) Only the "clockwise for faster" is like all Bessas and Leicas.
Either the writer didn't know any better or he was just lazy.
Roger Hicks
Mentor
OK; omit comma after 'clockwise for faster'. But I don't think many people who are interested in Leicas are likely to be fooled -- which is why I wrote it that way, without worrying about a possible misinterpretation -- and I'd suggest that the chance of an editor noticing this are negligible.
And as the old saying goes, "If you never made a mistake, you never made anything."
Cheers,
R.
And as the old saying goes, "If you never made a mistake, you never made anything."
Cheers,
R.
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
Roger Hicks writes much clearer English than 99% of the people on RFF.
I just wish that 'camera reviews', and 'car tests' and the rest, told us how the reviewer found the experience rather than which knob does what.
I just wish that 'camera reviews', and 'car tests' and the rest, told us how the reviewer found the experience rather than which knob does what.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
OK; omit comma after 'clockwise for faster'. But I don't think many people who are interested in Leicas are likely to be fooled -- which is why I wrote it that way, without worrying about a possible misinterpretation -- and I'd suggest that the chance of an editor noticing this are negligible.
And as the old saying goes, "If you never made a mistake, you never made anything."
Cheers,
R.
Dear Roger,
I think that should be ... 'chance of an editor noticing this is negligable.'
Regards ... Keith. :angel:
JohnTF
Mentor
I suppose knowing that Leica reversed the direction of the speed dial in M Leicas, to the bane of some, is well enough known to the intended readership to create a clear assumption of intention.
Failing that, in retrospect a period in place of a comma might have served to better simplify several concepts. However the modifying phrase, more obvious to some, refers to what is immediately before it. I also knew the statement did not refer to Bessas of all vintages.
I do not pretend to know the state of mind nor question the knowledge of the author based upon such a slight misinterpretation.
Many seem to have more serious, and humorous transgressions easily come to mind. I suppose I could submit this to Leno's "Monday Nights' Headlines", however only one of his assistants uses M Leicas to my knowledge, and they are evidently yet mulling my last submission.
Commonly, what passes for style and grammar in print or other current media is far inferior to anything I have seen of Roger's.
Having worked around a dozen copy editors working in concert, this slightly unclear intention would have required at least one with a far more than passing knowledge of the subject matter rather than a correction to a style book interpretation. I am going to guess the editors will not issue a correction in upcoming issues.
For news, we were told to write to the level of fifth grade reading.
Perhaps short sentences, lots of spaces, and more paragraphs can be utilized to create a universal "modern" style, albeit a rather boring one.
Perhaps the poke in the ribs was a bit harder than intended in the last post's final sentence, I believe the post without it was sufficient, unless the intention was not to elucidate but rather to offend?
The elucidation was welcome to me.
Regards, John
Failing that, in retrospect a period in place of a comma might have served to better simplify several concepts. However the modifying phrase, more obvious to some, refers to what is immediately before it. I also knew the statement did not refer to Bessas of all vintages.
I do not pretend to know the state of mind nor question the knowledge of the author based upon such a slight misinterpretation.
Many seem to have more serious, and humorous transgressions easily come to mind. I suppose I could submit this to Leno's "Monday Nights' Headlines", however only one of his assistants uses M Leicas to my knowledge, and they are evidently yet mulling my last submission.
Commonly, what passes for style and grammar in print or other current media is far inferior to anything I have seen of Roger's.
Having worked around a dozen copy editors working in concert, this slightly unclear intention would have required at least one with a far more than passing knowledge of the subject matter rather than a correction to a style book interpretation. I am going to guess the editors will not issue a correction in upcoming issues.
For news, we were told to write to the level of fifth grade reading.
Perhaps short sentences, lots of spaces, and more paragraphs can be utilized to create a universal "modern" style, albeit a rather boring one.
Perhaps the poke in the ribs was a bit harder than intended in the last post's final sentence, I believe the post without it was sufficient, unless the intention was not to elucidate but rather to offend?
The elucidation was welcome to me.
Regards, John
JohnTF
Mentor
Seems as if I took too long to post. ;-) I guess the wait for my editor to proof read my copy was to blame. Getting to the point that instant is not fast enough. Hope he caught my mistakes ;-)
Regards, John
Regards, John
mwooten
light user
Well, I reckon that clears everything up.
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
Forget the shutter speed dial thing.
Is it really possible to drive 300km in a 25 year old Land Rover and then drink three bottles of champagne?
Is it really possible to drive 300km in a 25 year old Land Rover and then drink three bottles of champagne?
Dave Wilkinson
Mentor
...don't know Jon, but we are certainly getting some mileage on this thread, through some pedant noticing a f*#%ing comma!Forget the shutter speed dial thing.
Is it really possible to drive 300km in a 25 year old Land Rover and then drink three bottles of champagne?
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